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#1551 V3TT3L

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 20:38

I've never seen any footage, but airport straight line testing with no curves - except to reposition the car.

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#1552 Peter Perfect

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 20:38

just the Espn article above I think
what is this test exactly, straight line testing?

Straight line and constant radius I believe.

#1553 V3TT3L

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 20:51

:p What a coincidence... Scarbs reporting Force India test.

http://scarbsf1.com/...ight-line-test/

The test is allowed as part of the Resource restriction Agreement, where a limited number of days full-scale testing are allowed. These being either the full car in the wind tunnel or at a straight line (constant radius) facility. As Duxford has a 1.5km long air strip, its only used for straight line passes, as opposed to places such as Idiada in Spain, that allow constant radius runs to be completed.

#1554 handel

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 23:36

How is a straight line test such a huge cost saving? Surely the bulk of the costs are running the cars, all the staff & travel etc. Seems to me that once you're there it makes little difference if you're going in a straight line or going round corners? I'm sure there are some savings in going to airfields as opposed to proper tracks but FFS if McLaren pitched up at Brands Hatch and charged a fiver for entry they would soon make it back...

#1555 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 19:38

Keep the faith


Yeah, donĀ“t matter team form. :up:

#1556 Fastcake

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 20:46

Hey I supported Button while he was slugging around in that god-awful Honda, so being a Macca fan is currently a step up :lol:


How is a straight line test such a huge cost saving? Surely the bulk of the costs are running the cars, all the staff & travel etc. Seems to me that once you're there it makes little difference if you're going in a straight line or going round corners? I'm sure there are some savings in going to airfields as opposed to proper tracks but FFS if McLaren pitched up at Brands Hatch and charged a fiver for entry they would soon make it back...


I've never quite got that either. They certainly save some money by not running a full test (limited tyre and engine use for example) but unless you're Ferrari you still have to hire a venue and lug your car about. I guess it was a trade-off to introduce the testing ban in the first place.

#1557 Owen

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 21:57

Any news about the Idiata tests :confused:

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/108288

#1558 maverick69

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 22:22

No, they raced without KERS and were even worse that at Canada 2 weeks ago. So more of a miracle came 3 weeks later.


Yep. They stuck the endplates pointing outwards!


#1559 jrg19

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:02

Different Vodafone sponsorship looks good.

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#1560 Markn93

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:33

Nothing quite like the support there is for Macca at Silverstone. Was blown away by how universal it was, let's see some gains :up:

#1561 swerved

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:52

I'm pretty sure Kravitz just said that Matt Morris who left Sauber has gone to McLaren.

#1562 10e10

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:16

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When having a bad year, it's always good to remember why this is a great team. Such a shame we're having a abysmal year on the team's 50th anniversary.

#1563 f1rules

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:18

I'm pretty sure Kravitz just said that Matt Morris who left Sauber has gone to McLaren.



wow, if true, the only other person who managed to create a crap car next to paddy, decided to go to mclaren, wuhu

#1564 10e10

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:27

wow, if true, the only other person who managed to create a crap car next to paddy, decided to go to mclaren, wuhu


Good point! McLaren, Williams and Sauber were the ones who lost the most compared to last year.

Edited by 10e10, 28 June 2013 - 10:31.


#1565 crbassassin

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:32

http://s272.photobuc...s...?sort=3&o=0

side pod looks slimmer

#1566 swerved

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:54

Good point! McLaren, Williams and Sauber were the ones who lost the most compared to last year.


Just confirmed to Brundle by Martin Whitmarsh.


#1567 Lazy

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:14

http://s272.photobuc...s...?sort=3&o=0

side pod looks slimmer

From that photo it looks like they have lowered the front suspension mounting points, that would be very interesting.

#1568 KiloWatt

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:17

Gentlemen, not sure where to post this and it isn't worth a new thread. But I heard recently that McLaren ended their run of 64 point scoring finishes. I just want to know when was the last time this happened? I guess I can do the math and count backwards, but it seems terribly tedious. I figured someone in here might know? Please?

#1569 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:20

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When having a bad year, it's always good to remember why this is a great team. Such a shame we're having a abysmal year on the team's 50th anniversary.


Good said!!!
#KeepTheFaith


#1570 10e10

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:24

Gentlemen, not sure where to post this and it isn't worth a new thread. But I heard recently that McLaren ended their run of 64 point scoring finishes. I just want to know when was the last time this happened? I guess I can do the math and count backwards, but it seems terribly tedious. I figured someone in here might know? Please?


Last time they didn't score? That would be Abu Dhabi 2009.

#1571 f1rules

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:25

Just confirmed to Brundle by Martin Whitmarsh.


wow, amazing that probably rules out alison joining also, a person who did small miracles at lotus, seen in light of their budget, this just keeps getting better and better, 2nd rate drivers and engineers led by sam michael, it is starting to look like williams all over again, wuhu bring on future

#1572 10e10

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:28

wow, amazing that probably rules out alison joining also, a person who did small miracles at lotus, seen in light of their budget, this just keeps getting better and better, 2nd rate drivers and engineers led by sam michael, it is starting to look like williams all over again, wuhu bring on future


following that line of thought, then Paddy Lowe and Totto Wolf wouldn't have joined Mercedes since Brawn is there. Allison could be joining for a different role.

#1573 bogi

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:31

Famous James R31 Allison


But, we all know. You are good as your last race.

#1574 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:38

Another friday with big updates.....
Another friday raining on track.....
Another friday without luck to evaluate new parts....
Welcome to McLaren World!

#KeepTheFaith

:)

#1575 Owen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:40

Just confirmed to Brundle by Martin Whitmarsh.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/108348
and here

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:47

I've started a thread about Matt Morris joining McLaren from Sauber so you can chat about what this might mean for McLaren's future over there. However, please keep this thread for discussions about the MP4-28, thanks.

#1577 Owen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:54

McLaren driver Jenson Button said: "We have to apologise to the fans but it's really wet out there and it's going to be dry at the weekend. "It's very easy to put it in the wall and we don't want to damage our new parts. If we do we'll be reverting to the old ones." Button said he expected his McLaren team to have a better weekend after a difficult start to the season, but they would not be competing at the front. "I think we should see an improvement," Button said. "Are we going to fight for a win or a podium? I don't think so, unless there's a miracle. But I think we can get some decent points."

Conditions are expected to improve ahead of the second session

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/23095857

#1578 Anonymous

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:56

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https://imageshack.c...rge/18/trw5.jpg

#1579 KiloWatt

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:00

Last time they didn't score? That would be Abu Dhabi 2009.


Thanks for the info. I figured it must have been 2009.

Cheers and goodluck for the weekend!
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#1580 Owen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:06

https://imageshack.c...rge/18/trw5.jpg

Our rear wing looks like a cheese-grater. :lol:

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:27

Our rear wing looks like a cheese-grater. :lol:

Some are saying Pirelli will provide the cheese. Not me I must add.

#1582 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:55

Well, at least i hope another little improvement in car, despite Canadian GP... :(

#1583 Mc_Silver

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:56

RT: @janci1612: #McLaren has a new floor, new rear suspension, new front wing and rear wing. They expect an improvement of 0.4 seconds #F1

#1584 Owen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:57

RT: @janci1612: #McLaren has a new floor, new rear suspension, new front wing and rear wing. They expect an improvement of 0.4 seconds #F1

Wish the damn rain would stop. :well:

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:57

RT: @janci1612: #McLaren has a new floor, new rear suspension, new front wing and rear wing. They expect an improvement of 0.4 seconds #F1

Oh wow. That's huge.

#1586 10e10

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:58

RT: @janci1612: #McLaren has a new floor, new rear suspension, new front wing and rear wing. They expect an improvement of 0.4 seconds #F1


The sad part is that even if we get what is expected we would still be far off. :cry:

#1587 Mc_Silver

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:59

Team desperately need a dry session. Rainy practice sessions hurt McLaren more than any other team.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:03

The sad part is that even if we get what is expected we would still be far off. :cry:

Even a couple tenths gain relative to others could get them out in front of the guys they're currently battling with, allowing them to focus their efforts on nipping at the heels of the guys out front. Track position is still really important.

It may not mean a win, but it would be a proper good step towards getting back to that and showing signs that they're getting on top of any correlation problems they once had.

#1589 10e10

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:14

Even a couple tenths gain relative to others could get them out in front of the guys they're currently battling with, allowing them to focus their efforts on nipping at the heels of the guys out front. Track position is still really important.

It may not mean a win, but it would be a proper good step towards getting back to that and showing signs that they're getting on top of any correlation problems they once had.


That would be the real motive for celebrations, as in my opinion, investing in this car is almost a lost cause.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:16

wow, amazing that probably rules out alison joining also, a person who did small miracles at lotus, seen in light of their budget, this just keeps getting better and better, 2nd rate drivers and engineers led by sam michael, it is starting to look like williams all over again, wuhu bring on future

Do you know Sam Michael, Sporting Director, has nothing to do with the design and engineering of the car? Apparently not.

#1591 f1rules

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:27

im aware, im bothered even seeing him in a senior position at mclaren. problem is i think there is a good risk/chance that he will take over mw's duties and i really dont want that to happen

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:40

im aware, im bothered even seeing him in a senior position at mclaren. problem is i think there is a good risk/chance that he will take over mw's duties and i really dont want that to happen


Why not?

#1593 10e10

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:57

Why not?


Williams' form during his "reign" might be the answer to that.

#1594 PNSD

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 16:05

Their form during his time at Williams was due to many factors other than Sam.

#1595 ATM_Andy

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 16:10

Spend 5 minutes with him in a briefing and you'll realise why every team wanted him as soon as he was on the market.



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Posted 28 June 2013 - 16:31

Spend 5 minutes with him in a briefing and you'll realise why every team wanted him as soon as he was on the market.

good motivator? or good leader?

thanks for answer

#1597 Lemans

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 16:55

Spend 5 minutes with him in a briefing and you'll realise why every team wanted him as soon as he was on the market.


Oh, Andy. Don't you know by now that silly things like facts, logic and first-hand experience don't mean anything to some people on this forum?


#1598 10e10

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 17:11

Oh, Andy. Don't you know by now that silly things like facts, logic and first-hand experience don't mean anything to some people on this forum?


:lol: :up:

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 17:17

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 17:20

Button downbeat on Q3 hopes

Not even the updates can save us! 2014 can't come soon enough!