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#2301 nosecone

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 23:38

Points mean prizes and McLaren are well down the list of this years prizewinners.  A lower position in the WCC will also affect how much sponsors pay, as the team gets less airtime etc etc.  At a guess, I'd say McLaren will have halved their money from Bernie this year - possible losses £20m or so.  McLaren have lost Vodafone and the new major sponsor may well be paying a lot less, once current results are taken into account.  Despite his bluster, Button could well lose £10 or more from his contract for next year, as McLaren know they can pick up a 'fairly good' driver and pay him less than £1m for 2014.

well i thought Ferrar1-f1-fan tried to say that they were the big loosers in the new concorde agreement in terms of money. I understood that they don't get the same amout of money because they signed a worse contract than they had.

 

 

 

But i agree to what you said, the team is in financial trouble because of the lack of points (not because they signed a bad contract with bernie). And i have to agree to the Vodafone thing. In that view the Honda deal was crucial for the team


Edited by nosecone, 03 October 2013 - 23:41.


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#2302 Lazy

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:29

Only 0.5 sec off the pace :)
best I can remember this year.

Edited by Lazy, 04 October 2013 - 05:30.


#2303 bogi

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 07:32

Organic!

 

McLaren-Formel-1-GP-Korea-3-Oktober-2013



#2304 Lazy

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 07:36

Organic!

 

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Sidepods looking more like the 26 all the time.



#2305 bogi

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 07:39

Sidepods looking more like the 26 all the time.

 

 

 

http://img2.auto-mot...7ebd-725480.jpg



#2306 Holdenboy

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:01

financial loos (2012)  :cry:  :cry:

 

http://www.gptoday.c...financial_loss/



#2307 AlexS

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:35

That is almost Martini Racing color effect in that photo.



#2308 Maustinsj

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:49

financial loos (2012)  :cry:  :cry:

 

http://www.gptoday.c...financial_loss/

 

That article reads like someone who's never looked at a set of accounts before, thinks that debt=loss and selectively reports on one section while ignoring the whole picture.

 

Like a typical journalist then, I guess!



#2309 BillBald

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 11:35

Austin tyre test disallowed:

 

http://www.gpupdate....test-in-austin/

 

Apparently there were objections because the planned test was before the GP, so could have given McLaren an advantage in this year's race (even though they'll be testing 2014 tyres with a 2 year old car).

 

I wonder if they'll reschedule.


Edited by BillBald, 04 October 2013 - 11:36.


#2310 BillBald

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 11:37

Only 0.5 sec off the pace :)
best I can remember this year.

 

Back to reality in FP2!

 

Still not too bad.



#2311 Owen

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 12:00

JB reckons we'll be racing Lotus.



#2312 f1rules

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 16:09

How was training the car looked ok or? any visible updates?

Just saw this fro MW. Im sorry but this is exactly the reason why he is not the guy tp bring the team forward, this statement is just to vague, if they dont allow mclaren, mclaren dont allow them anything! his rhetoric is just to weak

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110296



#2313 WitnessX

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 03:40

Back to reality in FP2!

 

Still not too bad.

Same pattern over all three practice sessions with Button. With Mediums = place 5-7,  With SS = around 10.

 

Looks like he has "tuned into" the mediums at the expense of the SS, which is the  opposite of Singapore. So I would guess their priority is the race.

 

Checo looks healthier on the SS, but its hard to tell.



#2314 Lights

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:22

How is McLaren being outdeveloped by Sauber?



#2315 Lazy

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:37

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/110345

 

"We've got an interesting straightline speed compared to our competitors, so the first couple of laps will be interesting."



#2316 Force Ten

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:38

How is McLaren being outdeveloped by Sauber?

By isn't being developed?



#2317 sopa

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:42

How is McLaren being outdeveloped by Sauber?

 

Considering Sauber is in financial struggles.

 

Reminiscent of Mercedes in the second half of 2012, when they were getting outraced by some underfunded midfield teams.



#2318 WitnessX

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:52

How is McLaren being outdeveloped by Sauber?

 

McLaren decided after Silverstone to stop development on the MP4-28. Only items which had a benefit to next years car. They specifically mentioned the exhaust system.

 

The improvement in the Sauber is down to the work done on the rear (according to Monika)  and the "downwash exhust" which was obviously "inspired by" RBR.

http://www.f1technic...development/421

 

No doubt McLaren could  improve if they were willing to spend resources on it, however they have made the executive decision not to do so. (Think Earth Dreams 2008).



#2319 Force Ten

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:58

Considering Sauber is in financial struggles.

 

Reminiscent of Mercedes in the second half of 2012, when they were getting outraced by some underfunded midfield teams.

All in all it didn't turn out too bad for them.

 

I for one am tired of whining about the 2013 season/car. Yes it's crap. No, it's probably not going to get any better. Is it the end of life? No. If anything, it will help them next year, as Whitmarsh has admitted that they are using the 2013 races as a big test session for 2014 season, sacrificing outright setup work for any given race for a broader range of testing specific designs and making notes about correlation et all.

 

That seems to be one of the smartest decisions they can make at the moment as for a team of such calibre it really makes no difference at all whether they are racing for P9 or P6.



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#2320 WitnessX

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 08:17

Considering Sauber is in financial struggles.

 

Reminiscent of Mercedes in the second half of 2012, when they were getting outraced by some underfunded midfield teams.

 

Yes, but Sauber is continuing development this year because they need to show that they are competent and can get results to attract prospective sponsors, this  means next years car will probably suffer. McLaren have the luxury of being able to sacrifice the rest of the year, enabling them to do a better job for next year.  



#2321 Owen

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 09:22

@easonF1: Just emerged from McLaren sit down where Martin Whitmarsh promises "headline" signings. What can he mean
@easonF1: Think he is strengthening the backroom but still non-committal on the future of Perez

#2322 sopa

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 09:48

Yes, but Sauber is continuing development this year because they need to show that they are competent and can get results to attract prospective sponsors, this  means next years car will probably suffer. McLaren have the luxury of being able to sacrifice the rest of the year, enabling them to do a better job for next year.  

 

Weren't there rumours that Sauber stopped car development, because they lacked money? I think most gains made late in the season is by just understanding the car better and finding better setups.



#2323 WitnessX

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:19

Weren't there rumours that Sauber stopped car development, because they lacked money? I think most gains made late in the season is by just understanding the car better and finding better setups.

 

Monisha Kaltenborn did actually say after Monza "That shows we are heading in the right direction with the development of the car.”. What that means is not clear, it could be making physical corrections, set-up or suitable engine-mappings/modes etc. I don't know.

 

http://www.f1times.c.../display/08073 

 

Here is one report talking about Singapore: http://articles.time...nico-hulkenberg

 

Interesting is that since FI announced they were stopping development on this years car they have stayed static.



#2324 OO7

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 10:51

@easonF1: Just emerged from McLaren sit down where Martin Whitmarsh promises "headline" signings. What can he mean
@easonF1: Think he is strengthening the backroom but still non-committal on the future of Perez

According to Autosport it will be a headline technical signing.  However if its not Adrian Newey then it is not a headline grabbing tech signing in my book.



#2325 Timstr11

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:25

Pure speculation on my part but I think it could be Bob Bell from Mercedes.

With Ross Brawn likely to step back next year and Paddy Lowe taking his place, I could see Bob Bell leaving the TD role as well, with Paddy lowe taking over the engineering and design strategy role from Bob Bell. They have to fit in Paddy Lowe somehow.


Edited by Timstr11, 05 October 2013 - 11:29.


#2326 Owen

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:33

On auto sport
@autosportnews: McLaren hints at major tech signing: #F1 - McLaren has hinted at the signing of some 'headline grabbing' techn... http://t.co/kAL29i3F4w

#2327 mlsnoopy

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:39

There is only one name that would be a headline signing. And that is Newey. The rest are just news.



#2328 P123

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:45

Most likely to be Fry, one of Mercs numerous tech heads or perhaps one of the aero team from Red Bull.



#2329 BillBald

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 14:28

Monisha Kaltenborn did actually say after Monza "That shows we are heading in the right direction with the development of the car.”. What that means is not clear, it could be making physical corrections, set-up or suitable engine-mappings/modes etc. I don't know.

 

http://www.f1times.c.../display/08073 

 

Here is one report talking about Singapore: http://articles.time...nico-hulkenberg

 

Interesting is that since FI announced they were stopping development on this years car they have stayed static.

 

When McLaren were putting the maximum effort into improving this year's car (around Barcelona time) they were going backwards in terms of performance.

 

I think the main problem they have at the moment is that they hardly ever get to do long runs in FPs, apparently because they are doing a lot of experiments, which I presume are all about checking correlation etc.



#2330 BillBald

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 14:29

Most likely to be Fry, one of Mercs numerous tech heads or perhaps one of the aero team from Red Bull.

 

We can dream...



#2331 Raziel

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:11

Wow not a single comment after the race! Yeah, unfortunately tough times for McLaren, this car is/was a completely failure! I cannot wait for this season to be over! 2013 will be a "black hole" in McLarens history :mad:



#2332 Force Ten

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:21

I have found that life gets allot easier if you adjust your immediate expectations toward the position of qualifying or at least toward the average of last few races and not the highs of days past as that inevitably sets you up for disappointment.

 

Considering where we were at the end of lap 6 and the lap just before the safety car we had a reasonable race.



#2333 nosecone

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:22

Since testing starts in mid/end January there are only 3 months and a few days to go until a new season... Fortunately


Edited by nosecone, 06 October 2013 - 09:23.


#2334 PNSD

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:58

Jenson himself dictated the entire mid-field battle.

 

Him being forced to pit, then setting fastest lap made the others do it. Likewise after his 2nd stop.

 

To finish the race on those tyres is a good effort. In clear air he was quick... I remember just before his 2nd stop Jenson did 4 or 5 consecutive laps within 1 tenth of each other. Amazing consistency, and something which wasn't as apparent with any other driver today...



#2335 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 10:30

Well good race by Jenson. Only five races to go, i need that this nightmare of season finish yet.

 

We will fight for some points in Suzuka, one of the best tracks around the championship.

 

Keep The Faith :up:



#2336 Dalton007

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 13:09

Jenson himself dictated the entire mid-field battle.

 

Him being forced to pit, then setting fastest lap made the others do it. Likewise after his 2nd stop.

 

To finish the race on those tyres is a good effort. In clear air he was quick... I remember just before his 2nd stop Jenson did 4 or 5 consecutive laps within 1 tenth of each other. Amazing consistency, and something which wasn't as apparent with any other driver today...

 

It's also worth noting that the results are stable. 8th or thereabouts. Good driving today. Can't wait for next year. 



#2337 Owen

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 11:43

Team preview for Japanese GP:

http://www.mclaren.c...d-prix-preview/

 

"Korea showed that we can race well and, even despite misfortune, can score points. I think the whole team is keyed up for another positive weekend." JB

“I’ll be pushing like crazy for a good result in Japan this weekend.” Checo (sounding like Lewis) :p

“For Suzuka this weekend, our aim will be for a clean and trouble-free afternoon’s racing in order to see if we can improve upon our results from last weekend." Martin



#2338 Lazy

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 21:56

http://www.planetf1....t-for-Magnussen

 

You've got to wonder what Magnussen has just said in that photo.



#2339 bogi

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 07:38

I hope for some rain and few SC runs and there is a chance for Jenson to get podium.



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#2340 nosecone

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 19:00

I hope for some rain and few SC runs and there is a chance for Jenson to get podium.

Ahhhh you said ra*n. now it won't hapen. Although the t*phoon made a turn and is now heading towards Japan



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 19:09

Ahhhh you said ra*n. now it won't hapen. Although the t*phoon made a turn and is now heading towards Japan

 

The same one? It's having a laugh.



#2342 nosecone

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 20:48



The same one? It's having a laugh.

Same t*phoon? no sorry i miss understood this but according to this: http://www.auto-moto...13-7778013.html

 

The new t*phoon Danas could* go to Japan.

 

*It wont

 

Edit:  



Northern Japan Next Target for Danas


Edited by nosecone, 09 October 2013 - 20:49.


#2343 eronrules

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 13:42

Pirelli and McLaren to test near Rome (Vallelunga)

http://www.f1zone.ne...ear-rome/20675/

 

 

But Auto Motor und Sport on Thursday said Pirelli has in fact decided on Vallelunga ... invited other teams to attend as well ......11 and 12 November

It is believed McLaren will field Oliver Turvey and Kevin Magnussen



#2344 Owen

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 17:31

Pics today
http://tmblr.co/ZP7mouxIBtGD

#2345 bogi

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 21:39

http://i.imgur.com/v7MkTB5.jpg

 

Nose pillars moved further back at the edge of the wing. Probably to reduce turbulence impact from the pillars on the wing.



#2346 Mc_Silver

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 21:47

Q: There are a lot of rumours around the staff movements for next season, not only about who will be your team mate, but also that there will be a top level technical person joining McLaren. Do you have any information on this?
JB:
 I am not involved in any of these processes, and (team principal) Martin Whitmarsh would be the best person to ask. One thing is for sure, though, Ross Brawn will not join the team next season.

 

 

http://www.formula1....3/10/15076.html



#2347 Lemans

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 02:50

I noticed they switched both drivers to the new front nose near the end of FP1.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:19

http://www.planetf1....t-for-Magnussen

 

You've got to wonder what Magnussen has just said in that photo.

 

"Do you guys have a photocopier somewhere I could use?"



#2349 f1rules

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:51

continue this perez please, will make the decision so much easier for mclaren



#2350 Owen

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:49

Practice quotes

http://www.autosport...0?source=latest