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[midgrid]

So, we have several cars under investigation for using the DRS under yellow flags. Edit: Vettel, Webber, Räikkönen, Bottas, Ricciardo, Chilton, Button and Grosjean.

Also Gutiérrez for running into the back of Sutil.

Edit: perhaps Webber/Red Bull for not pulling over with a loose wheel? (Precedent: Alonso Hungary 2009)

Any predictions?

Edited by midgrid, 14 April 2013 - 08:54.

[jrg19]

10 second penalties to all.

[Wingcommander]

Is this because of the problem with FIA telemetry..?

[skywing]

Gutierrez has to get a grid penalty, that was plain stupidity.

[Shiroo]

if they were only using DRS and no overtake was thanks to that, then I expect reprimend

[TomNokoe]

Complete opposite of last race Podium, everyone very happy

[Kyo]

Why don't they disable the DRS when there is a yellow in that sector? It can't be that difficult to do.

[Kelateboy]

Vettel got a drive through last season but that was applied during the race. Since it is investigated after the race, then it has to be time penalties. Any precedent for time penalties for using DRS under yellow flags?

[exogenesis1203]

Vettel got a drive through last season but that was applied during the race. Since it is investigated after the race, then it has to be time penalties. Any precedent for time penalties for using DRS under yellow flags?

If it's to use to replace a drive through, probably 20s.

[artista]

Is this because of the problem with FIA telemetry..?

According to German TV, probably. Problem might be to know if the drivers could see at all the yellow flag at the end of the straight from where they activated the DRS

[Baddoer]

DQ for all, thats what should be done. Otherwise no-one will ever learn.

[midgrid]

Why don't they disable the DRS when there is a yellow in that sector? It can't be that difficult to do.

I thought so too, so perhaps it was an FIA telemetry problem, as has already occurred this year.

Alternatively, drivers could have activated it under green and still had it open when the yellow sector began (when Webber was pulled up just beyond the hairpin).

Edited by midgrid, 14 April 2013 - 08:56.

[artista]

Why don't they disable the DRS when there is a yellow in that sector? It can't be that difficult to do.

They usually do, but this year, they are having problems with the telemetry.

[Kelateboy]

if they were only using DRS and no overtake was thanks to that, then I expect reprimend

Sebastian got a drive through at the Spanish GP for using DRS under yellow flags. He did not overtake Massa, if I remember correctly.

[choyothe]

DQ for all, thats what should be done. Otherwise no-one will ever learn.

Yep. Also 100 bonus points for Alonso and Hamilton.

[Kelateboy]

They usually do, but this year, they are having problems with the telemetry.

It is an integration problem from the new SECU from McLaren Electronics, right?

[study]

Well they can't just let it go otherwise its a farce to penalise in future races.

[Kyo]

They usually do, but this year, they are having problems with the telemetry.

Didn't know about this telemetry problem.

Whatever the decision there will be a lot of crying now.

[artista]

It is an integration problem from the new SECU from McLaren Electronics, right?

Yep, that's what I've heard

[GiancarloF1]

No penalty should be given except for Gutierrez.

[ryan86]

Despite the technology issue with the ECU, you can't just ignore it. The drivers then must be culpable at least one of the following; that they are unaware of the flag situation, unaware of the state their car was in or unaware of the rules.

[Myrvold]

Break the rules? Penalty. Didn't break any rules? No Penalty. Should be that simple.

[Sin]

I would be surprised if anything would be done because of the DRS thing, cause so many ****ed it up.... the whole system is broken tho.... so... they are only half to blame for if they did a mistake

[artista]

Break the rules? Penalty. Didn't break any rules? No Penalty. Should be that simple.

I generally agree with that. But this case might turn to be a bit more complicated.
For example, on RTL, Christian Danner (who is usually pretty strict with things regarding safety) was not too sure the drivers could see the flag (the physical cloth one) from the DRS activation point.

[Diablobb81]

Do the steering wheel lights for flags work at this GP?

Edit : No they don't

http://www.f1fanatic...-persist-china/

So probably no penalties unless it's something obvious.

Edited by Diablobb81, 14 April 2013 - 09:30.

[barneygumble]

I generally agree with that. But this case might turn to be a bit more complicated.
For example, on RTL, Christian Danner (who is usually pretty strict with things regarding safety) was not too sure the drivers could see the flag (the physical cloth one) from the DRS activation point.

If thats the case, then they should walk free.

But its a potential safety problem if you cant see the flag when activating DRS

[Bloggsworth]

When that many drivers commit the same offence at the same time it rather suggests a communication problem. Interestingly, Vettel reported that Hulkenberg used the DRS in a yellow zone, yet he is not one of the drivers cited!

Edited by Bloggsworth, 14 April 2013 - 09:32.

[search]

this was communicated by FIA before the race:

6. If yellow flags or lights are displayed in either DRS activation zone

"DRS DISABLED"

will be displayed, from this point drivers must not use DRS in either activation zone until the message

"DRS ENABLED"

appears.

so it's releatively clear, if this was the case and the message did appear, there need to be penalties.

[choyothe]

When that many drivers commit the same offence at the same time it rather suggests a communication problem. Interestingly, Vettel reported that Hulkenberg used the DRS in a yellow zone, yet he is not one of the drivers cited!

So it's a conspiracy against RB, interesting.

[V3TT3L]

[barneygumble]

There's youre problem

[ruby soho]

That does summarize Grosjeans driving

[Ferrari2183]

Time penalties for all... Would get The Ferrari drivers closer in the championship standings even if its only marginal.

Don't think anything will be done though.

[OfficeLinebacker]

That does summarize Grosjeans driving

I would not sleep anywhere near a track he was driving on!

[artista]

When that many drivers commit the same offence at the same time it rather suggests a communication problem. Interestingly, Vettel reported that Hulkenberg used the DRS in a yellow zone, yet he is not one of the drivers cited!

That's the weird thing. This is the third race in a row race-control can't de-activate DRS in case of yellow flags. In the other two races all 22 drivers have behaved and in this one, suddenly, almost all of the drivers who could use DRS activated it... weird.

But don't get me wrong. If they all went nuts and activated the device having the right information about the yellow flags, I will applaud the penalty.

[Kelateboy]

FIA Sporting Regulations :-

16.3 The stewards may impose any one of the penalties below on any driver involved in an Incident:
a) A drive-through penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane and re-join the race without stopping.
b) A ten second time penalty. The driver must enter the pit lane, stop at his pit for at least ten seconds and then re-join the race.
If either of the two penalties above are imposed during the last five laps, or after the end of a race, Article 16.4b) below will not apply and 20 seconds will be added to the elapsed race time of the driver concerned in the case of a) above and 30 seconds in the case of b).
c) A time penalty.
d) A reprimand.
If any of the four penalties above are imposed they shall not be subject to appeal.
e) A drop of any number of grid positions at the driver’s next Event.
f) Exclusion from the results.
g) Suspension from the driver’s next Event.

For using DRS under yellow flags, then going by the precedent that was set in Barcelona last year, then it would be a 20s time penalty for all guilty drivers. Unless of course, they could make a case of not seeing the flags due to the length of the back straight.

[bonjon1979a]

If a ten second penalty is what is usually given for passing under yellows then it should be given no matter how many drivers did so otherwise those drivers who didn't break the rules are being penalised. They lost time in comparison to those other cars who broke the rules and that's not really fair.

[V3TT3L]

Its obvious that when so many drivers failled to comply, the system is not right.

[garoidb]

Edit: perhaps Webber/Red Bull for not pulling over with a loose wheel? (Precedent: Alonso Hungary 2009)

I thought this was completely verboten, and rightly so. I would expect to see some sort of sanction, although probably in the form of a fine. This one is a genuine safety issue.

[midgrid]

Gutiérrez will get a five-place grid penalty in Bahrain (BBC).

[chrisblades85]

Estaban has a 5 grid penalty for next weekend

[OO7]

The outcome in my opinion will be nothing or a reprimand.

[V3TT3L]

Was Sutil pushed away out of the track by DiResta ?

[swerved]

Was Sutil pushed away out of the track by DiResta ?

I think it was Sutil who pushed DiResta.

[search]

Was Sutil pushed away out of the track by DiResta ?

wasn't it the other way around?

[Coops3]

The outcome in my opinion will be nothing or a reprimand.

I'm inclined to agree. There are too many cars involved for the stewards to have the balls to do anything more.

[darkkis]

We know what to expect from Ferrari International Assistance..

[Jejking]

No penalty should be given except for Gutierrez.

I see hallmarks of what Schumacher did in Singapore last year when he plowed into Vergne => grid penalty. Consistency stewards, consistency.

Edited by Jejking, 14 April 2013 - 09:59.

[study]

Webber 3 place grid drop.

[midgrid]

Webber given a three-place penalty for the collision with Vergne. Didn't see that coming!