85 replies to this topic

[V3TT3L]

Does it say that in the rules? Or are you just going by what sounds good?

How about the opening post ?

[CrucialXtreme]

You are correct, but to gain an advantage the flexing has to be controlled and consistent, and relating to load, rather than vibration. On this occasion the flexing is obviously the result of vibration.

Oh I agree this flexing is due to vibrations. It looks to me that the kerbs are perfectly spaced to allow oscillation at natural frequency. But the comment was made that a floor flexing would kill aero and that's not true.

[CrucialXtreme]

How about the opening post ?

The floor cannot be infinitely rigid mate. There's video of other cars and their floors flexing as well. I think this is a non-issue for scrutineers and don't think we'll see any rival teams make a big deal about it.

[Seanspeed]

How about the opening post ?

How bout it?

And do you also think the Sauber is illegal after seeing the GIF of it?

Are you really going to be so stubborn despite everything thats been pointed out to you?

[V3TT3L]

The floor cannot be infinitely rigid mate. There's video of other cars and their floors flexing as well. I think this is a non-issue for scrutineers and don't think we'll see any rival teams make a big deal about it.

Don't put all cars inside the same bag, Jason.

There are two exhaust concepts derrived from 2012 cars: the McLaren and Sauber types.

Since the Sauber inpired exhaust extends its sidepods further back, the floor tends to be more rigid [Redbull and Lotus].

All others have more carved sidepods below and therefore more 'playable' floor surface.

Edited by V3TT3L, 19 April 2013 - 23:32.

[V3TT3L]

Are you really going to be so stubborn despite everything thats been pointed out to you?

I don't FLEX that much.

[CrucialXtreme]

Don't put all cars inside the same bag, Jason.

There are two exhaust concepts derrived from 2012 cars: the McLaren and Sauber types.

Since the Sauber inpired exhaust extends its sidepods further back, the floor tends to be more rigid [Redbull and Lotus].

All others have more carved sidepods below and therefore more 'playable' floor surface.

I think Sauber's exhaust is more similar to Ferrari than RB or Lotus. In the link I posted on the last page, you can see Mercedes floor flexing as well. Not trying to be argumentative, I would have the same view as I do now if it was RB or Lotus we were speaking of. I assume we'll possibly find out more tomorrow maybe.

[V3TT3L]

I think Sauber's exhaust is more similar to Ferrari than RB or Lotus. In the link I posted on the last page, you can see Mercedes floor flexing as well. Not trying to be argumentative, I would have the same view as I do now if it was RB or Lotus we were speaking of. I assume we'll possibly find out more tomorrow maybe.

I meant to say RBR and Lotus are inspired in Sauber'12 exhaust.

Sauber'13 exhaust is inspired in McLaren'12.

Sauber Invented but shifted to another concept in 2013.

[CrucialXtreme]

I meant to say RBR and Lotus are inspired in Sauber'12 exhaust.

Sauber'13 exhaust is inspired in McLaren'12.

Sauber Invented but shifted to another concept in 2013.

Right, I understood what you meant, but in the current McLaren-esque exhaust spec it was flexing as was the Mercedes. I honestly believe we would see all the cars floors flexing when going over the kerbs.

[OSX]

Jon Tot has better things to do.

[reggie]

About time we had this kind of threads about Ferrari... Forza!!!

[four1]

Adrian who?

[JaredS]

Thank you ! That was the image.

Ferrari's Harley Shake version

He's just run over a harsh kerb. Even the rear wing is shaking.
Nice try though

[sheepgobba]

Sebastian why you scared boy?

[Peter Perfect]

Is it just me or are those brake discs glowing green?....

[OO7]

Front wings flexing is one thing, but is there a rule specifically against "twerking"?

A lot of natural frequency vibrations occurring there. The girl on the right wins BTW (Frequencies more.........more matched).

[KnucklesAgain]

A lot of natural frequency vibrations occurring there. The girl on the right wins BTW (Frequencies more.........more matched).

[Grundle]

Don't be naive man.
Scrut is held before the FP1.

Ferrari can change floors/parts along/among/between the sessions.

I don't think even Ferrari and Alonso would want to win this way.

[ViMaMo]

Somebody already accepting defeat?

[Tsarwash]

Obviously flexing parts is a big issue and one that's not going to go away quickly considering how strong an advantage they can give. And of course it is impossible to build anything absolutely rigid. Perhaps the FIA could change it's method of scrutineering towards fitting cameras on random cars in set positions over the weekend and feeding the data into a computer model, to judge how much parts flex under high speeds.

The Ferrari does seem to flex more visually in the clips but that is really not something concrete to judge anything because the clips are lowish quality and the cars are exiting a low speed corner on some pretty harsh kerbs. Whack a camera on the cars and lets see properly how much the parts are flexing.

[V3TT3L]

Obviously flexing parts is a big issue and one that's not going to go away quickly considering how strong an advantage they can give. And of course it is impossible to build anything absolutely rigid. Perhaps the FIA could change it's method of scrutineering towards fitting cameras on random cars in set positions over the weekend and feeding the data into a computer model, to judge how much parts flex under high speeds.

The Ferrari does seem to flex more visually in the clips but that is really not something concrete to judge anything because the clips are lowish quality and the cars are exiting a low speed corner on some pretty harsh kerbs. Whack a camera on the cars and lets see properly how much the parts are flexing.

Not you Tsarwash, but some tifosi saying that Ferrari CAN'T build a stiff floor...

All they have to do is apply more carbom fiber layers and some reinforcements like the steel plate in the borders and some vertical ellements to provide 3D rigid structure.

Edited by V3TT3L, 20 April 2013 - 20:29.

[bonjon1979a]

The floor cannot be infinitely rigid mate. There's video of other cars and their floors flexing as well. I think this is a non-issue for scrutineers and don't think we'll see any rival teams make a big deal about it.

I agree. This is such a nonsense thread. Ferrari doing not wrong and lots right. Good to see them up there this year, could be on for wdc which is exciting.

[AlexS]

I see that Frans is back under the nick of V3TT3L

[Tsarwash]

Not you Tsarwash, but some tifosi saying that Ferrari CAN'T build a stiff floor...

All they have to do is apply more carbom fiber layers and some reinforcements like the steel plate in the borders and some vertical ellements to provide 3D rigid structure.

I have no idea how to build an F1 car. I wouldn't know where to start.

[FizzyJerk]

I have no idea how to build an F1 car. I wouldn't know where to start.

[Kingshark]

I have no idea how to build an F1 car. I wouldn't know where to start.

Building an F1 car is not so difficult. All you need is an engine, a gearbox, brakes and a transmission while building a chassis around it. Then you need a KERS with an exhaust on the back. Front wing and rear wing are accessories, a fuel tank is optional.

[Seanspeed]

And duct tape.

[DILLIGAF]

riding over those bumps is enough to flex your front teeth out! Flexy rear wing as well

[Ross Stonefeld]

FERRARI ILLEGAL SUPER DRS!!@!##!

[famou55TAR]

FERRARI ILLEGAL SUPER DRS!!@!##!

Well their "super DRS" just cost them the race.

[V3TT3L]

The irony...

The jelly bean wing self destructed today.

[PassWind]

The irony...

The jelly bean wing self destructed today.

The irony is that Bell ends don't design race cars but plenty profer observations of which most are total tripe.

[Ross Stonefeld]

The irony...

The jelly bean wing self destructed today.

The DRS failed, not the floor.

[V3TT3L]

The DRS failed, not the floor.

Look at the rear wing.

All those vibrations - MIGHT - led to fatigue in the DRS actuator material.

[PassWind]

Look at the rear wing.

All those vibrations - MIGHT - led to fatigue in the DRS actuator material.

Go and have a look at a Boeing 777 wing stress test and just have a rethink about your whole perception on material fatigue.

[Seanspeed]

I've never seen a jelly bean wiggle.