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Ferrari F138: The race car Part II


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#2101 TheThirdTenor1

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:42

I'm not even sure a floor like that would be legal.

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#2102 kosmos

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:28

Great, one less car to get tyre data.

#2103 Claudiu

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:29

Massa :(

#2104 Gintonious

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:34

He is having a great time of smashing cars lately.

#2105 Claudiu

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:41

pushing to much to early maybe ?

#2106 TheThirdTenor1

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:55

brundle says the car is lacking balance in the high speed corners (Alonso having to make alot of corrections).

#2107 Gintonious

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:56

Not looking very good at the minute, unbalanced according to Brundle at trackside.

#2108 Claudiu

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:59

Yes but the track is still green, if it will stop raining maybe we will find more performance although I don't expect us to be in the first two rows after qualy.

RedBull and Mercedes are too strong for us at the moment.

#2109 kosmos

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:01

Gene: "Alonso not happy, degradation, lack of traction and stability, lack of grip in the rear".

#2110 Claudiu

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:03

Nothing but good news :-) ... well what can you do, lets hope that the weather improves and so will our car, if not then we will face another difficult weekend.

#2111 Gintonious

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:05

Damage limitation weekend ahead it looks like.

#2112 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:07

Damage limitation weekend ahead it looks like.

Nah. These are the worst sorts of conditions for us. Cold and green track.

Tomorrow will be warmer and dry. Sunday will be dry and warmer still.

The car definitely has some glaring weaknesses, though.

Edited by Seanspeed, 28 June 2013 - 14:08.


#2113 Gintonious

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:14

Thats true, warmer weather will help, but it's still a worry, RB and Merc look quite rapid.

#2114 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:15

I still Mercedes as an annoyance rather than a proper threat come raceday.

#2115 Gintonious

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:16

I still Mercedes as an annoyance rather than a proper threat come raceday.


If it heats up then you may be correct, we need to iron out these issues though, its no assurance that every GP weekend will be warm.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:17

A lot of graining for some cars, us included, let's hope is not severe in our car...

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:19

we suck even on long stint :(

#2118 bonjon1979a

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:20

I still Mercedes as an annoyance rather than a proper threat come raceday.


It's not that they're a threat. It's that the Merc will allow Red Bull to run away and hide on race day. Ferrari ending up too far back to challenge for the win. Temperature is crucial to performance, even when it is warmer on sunday it won't be hot. Germany and Spa coming up. I fear Vettel will be out of sight by the time we get to some hotter races where the red bull may struggle.

#2119 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:20

So is that slightly modified rear wing the only thing we've brought after a 3 week break?

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#2120 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:22

It's not that they're a threat. It's that the Merc will allow Red Bull to run away and hide on race day. Ferrari ending up too far back to challenge for the win. Temperature is crucial to performance, even when it is warmer on sunday it won't be hot. Germany and Spa coming up. I fear Vettel will be out of sight by the time we get to some hotter races where the red bull may struggle.

Depends on where they qualify. If Mercedes qualify ahead of Red Bull, then its a huge help for us.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:24

Don't worry yet; the weather on Sunday will be much warmer and we will be stronger. Let's let the rubber go down :)

#2122 Gintonious

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:26

What are the forecasts for the rest of the weekend?

#2123 bonjon1979a

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:27

Depends on where they qualify. If Mercedes qualify ahead of Red Bull, then its a huge help for us.


Yeah, true. To be honest though, today is so unrepresentative with regard to conditions that it's really second guessing to draw conclusions on pace from this practice session.

#2124 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:27

What are the forecasts for the rest of the weekend?

Like I said, warmer(23) and dry tomorrow.

Then dry and warmer still(27) on Sunday.

#2125 Gintonious

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:28

Fingers crossed then, for both drivers.

#2126 bonjon1979a

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:33

Like I said, warmer(23) and dry tomorrow.

Then dry and warmer still(27) on Sunday.


Nowhere near. According to this it's going to be low twenties, mid at best.

http://www.wundergro...ilverstone.html

Although, to be fair, forecasts two days in advance aren't really worth anything in the UK. it could be 15 it could be 30! Do you live in England? It's been really odd weather this last two weeks, four seasons in a day. So who knows what we'll get, it's very unsettled at the moment. I hope there is warmer weather tomorrow to give Alonso a better chance to get up the grid. I fear another dominant Vettel performance...

#2127 zapppa83

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:37

Horrible...

The car is worse every race...

#2128 bonjon1979a

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:39

Horrible...

The car is worse every race...


Like I've said before. It's not the car, it's the tyres. When they're not in their operating range, the car looks terrible. When they are, it looks great. Ferrari haven't lost all their pace, they just can't use it because of these ridiculous tyres.

#2129 Gintonious

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:40

Quite ironic that although we are against changing the tyres, they are the main thing hurting us.

#2130 Massa

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:43

The track is GREEN, it's why the car sucks ATM. Tomorrow and Sunday it will be way better.

#2131 bonjon1979a

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:43

Quite ironic that although we are against changing the tyres, they are the main thing hurting us.


Indeed, in all the complaints from others after Barcelona Ferrari fans were happy as larry, claiming that it was because their team had done a job that was so much better than the other teams. Now we're in colder temperatures, suddenly the cars rubbish and they've done a terrible job? Of course, they haven't but these tyres are so sensitive, a colder day plays in to one teams hands, a warmer day plays in to another. That's how I see it anyway...apologies sean, i know this is old ground...

#2132 Massa

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:47

It's not a news that F138 doesn't like green track. Nothing new under the sun. I don't know why you are talking about the tyres. I'm very optimistic for this weekend, Alonso will - at least - take the podium.

#2133 TheThirdTenor1

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:02

Indeed, in all the complaints from others after Barcelona Ferrari fans were happy as larry, claiming that it was because their team had done a job that was so much better than the other teams. Now we're in colder temperatures, suddenly the cars rubbish and they've done a terrible job? Of course, they haven't but these tyres are so sensitive, a colder day plays in to one teams hands, a warmer day plays in to another. That's how I see it anyway...apologies sean, i know this is old ground...


not as simple as that. Red Bull for example looked pretty competitive in both warm and colder conditions over the season so far and also great in the wet.

The only thing they've really struggled with tyre wise are the fronts, at tracks like Melbourne, Barcelona and Shanghai. Clearly not temperature related.

#2134 bonjon1979a

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:53

not as simple as that. Red Bull for example looked pretty competitive in both warm and colder conditions over the season so far and also great in the wet.

The only thing they've really struggled with tyre wise are the fronts, at tracks like Melbourne, Barcelona and Shanghai. Clearly not temperature related.


I think Red Bull look to have the best balanced car in terms of dealing with warmer/colder temperatures and having good qualifying but keeping race pace. When it's really hot, Ferrari seem to do better relative to Red Bull. At least, that's my perception. It may not be how it actually is! Ferrari haven't lost pace, they'll improve when it's a bit warmer, but I don't think they've got enough on saturday to challenge Red Bull on sunday. We'll see.

#2135 Mackey

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 16:30

Is it that bad as it looks guys? I couldn´t watch the practices but damn we look in trouble :(

#2136 aray

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 16:53

hoping that tomorrow the prospects will brighten up..:well:

#2137 topical

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 18:35

It's not a news that F138 doesn't like green track. Nothing new under the sun. I don't know why you are talking about the tyres. I'm very optimistic for this weekend, Alonso will - at least - take the podium.


Podium isn't good enough. If Vettel finishes ahead of Alonso here and in Germany, title is over. Outscoring RBR is absolutely essential in these 2 races.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 18:40

Ferrari will be back, it didn't help that Felipe wasn't able to gather enough data for them as some of the other teams will have to compare, but I'd doubt the situation is as bad as it seemed today.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 21:46

Podium isn't good enough. If Vettel finishes ahead of Alonso here and in Germany, title is over. Outscoring RBR is absolutely essential in these 2 races.

What, like it was essentail for Vettel to win here last year?

And I would politely venture that that is more of a driver than a car related concern :)


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#2140 Kingshark

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 21:50

Guys, the track was as green as an olive today, calm down people. We saw in Canada how much a green circuit can affect our performance. At the start of the race, Alonso was 1 second/lap slower than Vettel, but by the end he was faster.

Similar to Austin last year. Red Bull always excel on green circuits. Hamilton was much slower than Vettel throughout the practice sessions, he kept aching closer in qualifying, and became quicker and quicker as the race unfolded.

We just need some luck with the weather, but that unfortunately hasn't been the case thusfar.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 22:09

Ferrari not quite as gloomy as some of the folks in here. Definitely wasn't the best way to start the weekend, but I don't see any members of the Scuderia predicting doom. The Scarlet team are sensitive to temperatures and moisture, as we know, but losing half your testing/setup capability when you have 3 sets of tires, aero and other bits to test, certainly slowed them down. But they expect to be ok in more representative temps on Saturday.

Fernando Alonso: "This morning, we lost the first session because of the rain and had to squeeze all the work we had been unable to do into the afternoon session. Our programme for today was no different to usual and as normal, it was important to gather data relating to tyre behaviour, which here too will be the key factor. At Silverstone, you need an aerodynamic package that is suited to the combination of fast corners that are the main feature at this track. The strategy will have to be impeccable and in order to make the right choice for the race, we will have to take into account the fact that on Sunday we can expect very different conditions to those we saw today, because the track will definitely be drier and the temperatures higher."

Felipe Massa: "I am very disappointed about what happened today as the accident cost me valuable time, especially in terms of getting an understanding of the tyre behaviour here at Silverstone. At the exit of the corner, I found myself on a piece of track that was still very damp and I lost control of the car: at that time, the prototype Hard Pirellis that we could use today, were not yet up to temperature and I couldn’t avoid the impact. Luckily, the car only suffered slight front end damage and tomorrow we will comfortably be able to pick up where we left off with the work. On a long run, Fernando's car went well and even if the low temperatures probably didn't help, the improved weather expected tomorrow gives us reason to be optimistic. I am certain that together we will try our best to improve so that we can take the fight to our main rivals."

Pat Fry: "I'm sorry for the fans who packed the circuit today, who did not get to see the show they were expecting, because of the rain. In the morning, track conditions were extremely difficult and with the few sets of tyres available, we preferred to stay in the pits, as did almost all the other teams. In the afternoon, we tried to catch up the time we had lost. Alongside the usual task of finding the best set up to suit the tyres, we also worked on the development and mapping of the aerodynamics. After Felipe's accident which came after just a few laps, a large part of the team concentrated on Fernando's car, paying particular attention to the behaviour of the Medium tyre. Tomorrow, we can expect different temperatures and therefore conditions that will be more favourable to carrying out a proper evaluation of the car set-up and of all the details which can influence its behaviour over both a short and long run."

Edited by PoleMan, 28 June 2013 - 22:10.


#2142 oetzi

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 22:47

That sounds fairly positive.

Whenever the team have sounded positive recently they've been a bit slow, though.

If they're quickish where they think they should be, that'll be a very good sign.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 22:49

Please sort it out Ferrari, you need to save the season for the neutrals!

#2144 kosmos

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:57

Track temperature 19º.

#2145 BorkoF2012

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:21

I am verry disappointed so far. I expected a very strong race for Ferrari, actually a win for Alonso, but really doesn't look good at the moment.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:35

I am verry disappointed so far. I expected a very strong race for Ferrari, actually a win for Alonso, but really doesn't look good at the moment.

Exactly the same for me.
Let's hope things will change, for now it's disappointing. :(

#2147 Shiroo

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:38

Ferrari look hopeless on the track where they were supposed to dominate...

#2148 BorkoF2012

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:49

Well they were not supposed to dominate Q so there is still a chance. It's very important to be in front of Raikkonen, RB and Merc are untouchable

#2149 kosmos

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 10:01

No looking good at all, at least Lotus it's not much better than us but maybe TR will be a problem this time.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 10:02

if Vettel will finish ahead of Alonso tomorrow Ferrari can call it a day and focus on 2014, cause it's their track. Vettel will dominate fly away races in 2nd part of the season