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#351 Risil

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:03

If there's no penalties applied, according to Indycar's Twitter feed, Sato leads the points standings with Marco in 2nd, 13 pts back.


Satoooooo

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#352 billm99uk

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:04

Damn right I've forgotten.


Me too  ;)

#353 Prost1997T

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:04

I think Sato will get away with it since there was no contact. Good stuff from Hinchcliffe, he may be the Greg Moore of this generation.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:05

You didn't miss too much, apart from the usual "And what the hell will happen to Will Power this week" sweepstakes.

But that's race fans for you. Give em a good finish and they'll forget if the first 75% of the race was run under yellow ;)



Hey you gotta make it sparkle.

#355 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:05

They share a passport, but that's about it.

#356 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:07

Can we start talking about Taku as a serious championship contender or will Foyt fade and the usual suspects begin to rule the roost after Indy?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:08

I think Sato will get away with it since there was no contact. Good stuff from Hinchcliffe, he may be the Greg Moore of this generation.


I think he reminds me more of a Paul Tracy :)

#358 SR388

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:11

Can we start talking about Taku as a serious championship contender or will Foyt fade and the usual suspects begin to rule the roost after Indy?


I don't know. Hasn't Foyt been miles better this year?

#359 Prost1997T

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:11

Hey you gotta make it sparkle.


More like 75% under green :p stop exaggerating guys :lol:

I think he reminds me more of a Paul Tracy :)


Nah, he's too nice, and doesn't get involved in contact that much ;)

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#360 SR388

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:12

SO who picked Hinch?

#361 Risil

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:12

I think he reminds me more of a Paul Tracy :)


Or a quicker Parker Johnstone. ;)

Greg Moore was a strange one -- always seemed very personable and articulate in interviews but never seemed to chase the media spotlight.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:18

SO who picked Hinch?


We, the people did. He is the mayor.

#363 Watkins74

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:18

Get that weak shit out of here man. You gotta fight to get to the promised land.

Castroneves says "I want my win back from Edmonton"

Edited by Watkins74, 05 May 2013 - 18:18.


#364 Risil

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:19

Castroneves says "I want my win back from Edmonton"


New management. Might as well give Paul Tracy the 2002 Indy 500. ;)

Edited by Risil, 05 May 2013 - 18:20.


#365 muramasa

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:21


Just my impression but Sato seem to be guided well at Foyt, at least at the moment.
Still an old Sato, quite rough and aggressive, but just abit more split second discretion, and his speed is more consistent at higher level. Hopefully he'll have good season this year and break into truly competitive driver.
Go Sato!


#366 SealTheDiffuser

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:29

thanks for the OP to get me interested in this race, my last Indy Car race was watched 15 years ago, so that was really great fun today in the end! always liked Sato!

#367 SR388

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:30

thanks for the OP to get me interested in this race, my last Indy Car race was watched 15 years ago, so that was really great fun today in the end! always liked Sato!


Happy to do it. It was a good race. I hope Indy has been drawing in new fans. I've watched every race this year so far, which I never did before.

#368 anbeck

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:46

I never want to hear the word mayor again ever.


Mayor is the new diabetes.

However, the race was very good, possibly the most entertaining I've seen this season. Even after 20 years of following Indycar racing, I still am under the impression that from time to time it's a lottery. There were some very weird ups and downs during the race which I cannot account for. One yellow more or less, and we might have had Sato last and Bourdais winning (I know I am exaggerating...).
What's even the rule which says in which cases the pit lane is closed or open under full course yellow?

Then again, once I get myself into the right Indycar mindset and accept these things as part of North American open wheel racing, it's so much fun.

I hate to admit it, but this race came quite close to the golden years of Indy/Champcar! :up:

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 18:56

I am surprised he didn't get a penalty.

I am also used to watching Schumacher race, so that was light stuff from Sato. I think the argument the team can put up is that the back "straight" isn't straight, so he was guiding the car around it. Beyond that it wasn't clean stuff.

#370 Magoo

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:04

Just my impression but Sato seem to be guided well at Foyt, at least at the moment.


I credit the team's turnaround to 1) Don Halliday and to 2) Larry Foyt, who has taken a greater management role with AJ's increasing age and recent back surgery.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:09

The last laps showed how much DRS kills racing in F1.

#372 Risil

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:17

The last laps showed how much DRS kills racing in F1.


:up:

#373 SR388

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:21

The last laps showed how much DRS kills racing in F1.


As opposed to "push to pass"?

#374 Victor_RO

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:25

As opposed to "push to pass"?


Push-to-pass in the way in which it's implemented in Indycar works far better and more strategically than DRS in F1, since you're limited only by number of activations and not some ridiculous rule about zones and being 1 second behind another car.

#375 SR388

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:28

Push-to-pass in the way in which it's implemented in Indycar works far better and more strategically than DRS in F1, since you're limited only by number of activations and not some ridiculous rule about zones and being 1 second behind another car.


Good explanation.

I think F1 needs to learn from Indy on the tires. They tire situation seems to be really good in Indy. They fall off the way they should but they don't fall off a cliff.

#376 muramasa

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:44

C'mon Takuma, ride on the momentum.

I'd say he'll be leading championship after this race, and no i'm not being bold.

Another win would be fantastic of course!

:cool:

with bit of controversy and mistake tho, :p but he must know it.

win would've been fantastic but :up:



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:57

I really enjoyed the todays race. A really "epic race" with a lot of action, some cautions, and thrilling until the end.

AND THEY DID IT WITHOUT RANDOM TYRES OR UNFAIR DRS @Formula 1.

This is why i'm watching Indycar since 1,5 years... PTP is fair because everyone has the same opportunities. In F1 the polesetter is punished for driving fast. In F1 Hinchcliffe would have passed Sato already 5 laps before the end, BECAUSE IT IS TOO EASY IN F1...

This is what i call racing. Sato is flying since Long Beach and we almost saw another first time winner (Newgarden)...

Brilliant race

#RacingIsMoreThanPassing

#378 Deluxx

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:09

Amazing finish. People knock Indy for not being for like F1 but I think that's what makes it great.

500 should be great!

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:10

The last laps showed how much DRS kills racing in F1.


Post of the year.

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#380 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:10

As much as I wish they were, let's not pretend every Indycar finish is like this. I really wish everyone would stop comparing it to F1, positively or negatively.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:12

The last laps showed how much DRS kills racing in F1.

This.

I think F1 needs to learn from Indy on the tires. They tire situation seems to be really good in Indy. They fall off the way they should but they don't fall off a cliff.

And even moreso this.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:14

Good explanation.

I think F1 needs to learn from Indy on the tires. They tire situation seems to be really good in Indy. They fall off the way they should but they don't fall off a cliff.


And those tyres would be made by who? Firestone, a subsidiary of... Bridgestone.

#383 Risil

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:15

As much as I wish they were, let's not pretend every Indycar finish is like this. I really wish everyone would stop comparing it to F1, positively or negatively.


Meh, when CART had a solid Euro following in the '90s it was seen as a bit of a cool alternative F1. I don't see the comparisons as a bad thing on the whole.

Besides, I can't really think of any Tony George era road course finishes as good as that one. ;)

#384 Deluxx

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:16

As much as I wish they were, let's not pretend every Indycar finish is like this. I really wish everyone would stop comparing it to F1, positively or negatively.


Honestly they're two different things. It might as well be compared to bike racing

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:20

I just don't want threads full of "omg this is REAL racing(which I've never watched before) because it doesn't have <whatever my grip with F1 is>" crazies.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:03

I just don't want threads full of


We've had three close finishes out of four races with passing for the lead on track multiple times, I think that's pretty good by OW standards. Why is it wrong to compare with F1? When was the last time an F1 race went down to the final corner? 2008?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:07

To be fair, I think we've had at least 1 and possibly 2 IndyCar races this year better than anything F1 has produced so far.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:09

Yeah we have, but it has **** all to do with the people with their panties in a twist over DRS/Pirelli/whatever. There's enough mumblefests over why F1 is RUINED FOR ALL ETERNITY that it's nice to have a safe zone.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:15

And the most interesting Mayor in the world just tweeted...

I don't always finish races, but when I do, l prefer to win.


https://twitter.com/...154903739285504

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:17

Personally I think we've had better finishes from the Indycar races, but such a massive proportion of the last two races in particular has been spent under caution. The F1 races, as complete events, have been more entertaining for me. As has been mentioned, they are two different disciplines, with different methods; to me as long as they achieve close racing, I'm not massively bothered. Also, as an aside, I think the standard of driving in F1 is far superior, there have been a few clumsy incidents in the period I've been watching (which admittedly is the first four races), and I just thought that we wouldn't see this in Monaco or Singapore.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:19

Personally I've always hated P2P. It's like Joker laps in Rallycross to me... just feels "silly", like Mario Kart or some kind of dopey card game.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:44

Personally I've always hated P2P. It's like Joker laps in Rallycross to me... just feels "silly", like Mario Kart or some kind of dopey card game.


Me too but these are the times we live in. This is what the kids today want, along with their hula hoops and fax machines and so on.

#393 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:55

I think p2p 'works' in Indycar because it's seemingly not very effective. You can't whistle by someone, it seems to give you just enough of a run to tag onto the draft of the car ahead.

Another thing is if the straights at Sao Paulo were normal length, even with p2p a lot of those passes wouldn't have happened.

Modern single seaters need reeaaaaallly long straights for passes to have enough time to play out. Like, old Hockenheim length. Or Indy.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:56

So is sato now really good, or is the entire field generally bad?

#395 Deluxx

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 22:21

He's improved alot

#396 greenman

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 22:36

Yeah we have, but it has **** all to do with the people with their panties in a twist over DRS/Pirelli/whatever. There's enough mumblefests over why F1 is RUINED FOR ALL ETERNITY that it's nice to have a safe zone.

Well in my defense, I meant it less in a way of "F1 IS DOOMED" but more like "WHY AREN'T PEOPLE WATCHING THIS ?!".

And yeah, P2P works because it's not a guaranteed pass. And because everybody has equal amounts of it.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 22:48

I like Indycar because it is Indycar. I like F1 because it is F1. Some comparisons are welcome, good or bad, but not all.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 23:17

So is sato now really good, or is the entire field generally bad?


IMO, Sato has always been good (i.e. speed wise). It seems like Larry Foyt can make a certain connection with him and this is paying off. Sato is driving with a lot more maturity. It would great if he can be a contender this year.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 23:27

I think Indy has to be pumped about how this season has gone.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 23:44

I think Indy has to be pumped about how this season has gone.


Not unless anyone is watching it on TV. If great racing made series successful we'd all be watching, what? Formula Ford club racing? Moto3? I'm going to be having to search for a stream once ESPN UK goes off the air, so I don't imagine they're getting much money for it from Europe at least.