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#1 Wiggy

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:24

Good to see the cars being fired up again, and given the possibility to score some points!!

http://m.gpupdate.ne...boss-gp-series/

Here's a video of the series:



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#2 HistoryFan

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:52

How much F1 cars were at Hockenheim?
Any results?

I like the series very much because the teams could do everything on the cars. Ingo Gerstl told me: "We look what F1 banned and that's what we make." He has a DRS on his GP2 car and so on.

I hope the HRT cars will be driven by two young drivers

#3 Wiggy

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:11

http://www.bossgp.com/drivers/2013

Lots of ex-f1 cars, A jaguar, an arrows, couple of tyrells, a lotus, a Benetton, a 94 Jordan... Plus more.

In previous years they've used loads of F1's, including prosts, and a 91 Jordan!!

Good to see these cars having a new life.

Edited by Wiggy, 05 May 2013 - 09:15.


#4 sosidge

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:17

It's a wonder that the BOSS GP series isn't the premier class for single seaters worldwide. It seems to address ALL the complaints about F1 that get written on this board time and time again. Yet it doesn't even have a thread...

#5 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:32

I think it goes to show that despite what a lot of people say, the main draw of F1 is the big names, the heroes and villains and the marques like Ferrari and McLaren. That kind of thing can't just be transferred elsewhere.

BOSS ticks a lot of boxes for me, but even I've got to admit I find it hard to care about it because I've never heard of anyone in it.

#6 chrisblades85

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:41

Is it coming to Britain this year? I can't find a calender for it.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:41

I think it goes to show that despite what a lot of people say, the main draw of F1 is the big names, the heroes and villains and the marques like Ferrari and McLaren. That kind of thing can't just be transferred elsewhere.

BOSS ticks a lot of boxes for me, but even I've got to admit I find it hard to care about it because I've never heard of anyone in it.


Yet could still give a small chance for Bernie to make his own retirement plan! :rotfl:

#8 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:45

Seen the Boss GP cars live at Zolder, Belgium a couple of years ago. Was great to see an F1 car, Indycar and GP2 car together at the sime time, you could really tell the difference in speed. And the sound coming from the F1 car (I believe it was the '97 Benetton) was great as well.

#9 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:03

Yet could still give a small chance for Bernie to make his own retirement plan! :rotfl:


You want to try that in English? :well:

#10 Clatter

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:32

Shame it doesn't come to the UK. :(

#11 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:33

It's a wonder that the BOSS GP series isn't the premier class for single seaters worldwide. It seems to address ALL the complaints about F1 that get written on this board time and time again. Yet it doesn't even have a thread...


Because it's ****?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 13:08

You want to try that in English? :well:


Als je het in Nerdelands kan zeggen!
日本語で書いてくれますか?
wollen sie das in Deutsch schrijven?

#13 HistoryFan

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 15:00

http://www.bossgp.com/drivers/2013

Lots of ex-f1 cars, A jaguar, an arrows, couple of tyrells, a lotus, a Benetton, a 94 Jordan... Plus more.

In previous years they've used loads of F1's, including prosts, and a 91 Jordan!!

Good to see these cars having a new life.


Yes but I doubt that every F1 cars were on the grid in Hockenheim


#14 HistoryFan

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 15:01

Seen the Boss GP cars live at Zolder, Belgium a couple of years ago. Was great to see an F1 car, Indycar and GP2 car together at the sime time, you could really tell the difference in speed. And the sound coming from the F1 car (I believe it was the '97 Benetton) was great as well.


The Benetton from 1997 isn't a original one. It is fitted with a Judd engine and has a completly new diffusor and something like that. The car was updated by the Ascari team.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 15:06

Because it's ****?


A bunch of old guys driving their cars around big tracks in Europe. It's historic car racing, and isn't much of actual racing. Cool cars, but it is only really meant to showcase rich guys driving their classic cars around.

Wonder how much a season costs these guys too? I'm guessing the engines are extremely detuned to allow for reliability, and the tires have to be hard to come by, or get a a tire maker to customer make you sets.

#16 HistoryFan

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 15:17

A bunch of old guys driving their cars around big tracks in Europe. It's historic car racing, and isn't much of actual racing. Cool cars, but it is only really meant to showcase rich guys driving their classic cars around.


80% of the fiel, yes. But there are also some very fast guys like Ingo Gerstl - former F1 test driver for Forti.
And there are sometimes some drivers who wants to get experience in GP2 cars and so on, like Yelmer Buurman drove in some races and so on.
Some teams like Ascari and Topspeed also did development work on the cars, as I explained on the Benetton from 1997

#17 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 15:18

Id prefer to watch the 70s and 80s historic racing than a morden thing driven off the pace.

There's a guy with a 97 Benetton and Jordan who takes them to Elkhart Lake sometimes, and it's nice to see/hear one of those cars because it's something you wouldn't have seen in F1(even with a Judd instead of a Renault or Mugen) but you do wish you could see the thing driven hard.

#18 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 15:24

Ingo Gerstl - former F1 test driver for Forti.


Is that supposed to be impressive?

#19 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 15:26

Don't be a hater, he finished 35th in F3 one year...

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#20 BoschKurve

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 17:29

There's a guy with a 97 Benetton and Jordan who takes them to Elkhart Lake sometimes, and it's nice to see/hear one of those cars because it's something you wouldn't have seen in F1(even with a Judd instead of a Renault or Mugen) but you do wish you could see the thing driven hard.


That's depressing to hear.

It's the same feeling I have when I see videos of historic days at circuits. It pains me to see the car just being driving in a pedestrian manner. Great, Damon Hill's championship-winning Williams-Renault is being driven at maybe 4/10ths at Brands Hatch? Nothing exciting about it.

#21 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:08

Id prefer to watch the 70s and 80s historic racing than a morden thing driven off the pace.

There's a guy with a 97 Benetton and Jordan who takes them to Elkhart Lake sometimes, and it's nice to see/hear one of those cars because it's something you wouldn't have seen in F1(even with a Judd instead of a Renault or Mugen) but you do wish you could see the thing driven hard.

They are collectors as well I guess, so wouldn't want their car damaged through collisions during races.

#22 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 19:45

I'm not sure you're a collector if you change the engines and sometimes even change the graphics :|

#23 Wiggy

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 20:15

They are collectors as well I guess, so wouldn't want their car damaged through collisions during races.






And as stated, many cars have new liverys and sponsors, along with modifications.

Edited by Wiggy, 05 May 2013 - 20:17.


#24 Clatter

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 21:18

I'm not sure you're a collector if you change the engines and sometimes even change the graphics :|


Do they have a choice? I think most, if not all cars are sold without an engine.


#25 BoschKurve

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 22:11

Do they have a choice? I think most, if not all cars are sold without an engine.


Plenty of cars out there still have the correct engines as well as proper sponsor logos.

All of the Team Lotus cars are still running the correct engines as far as I know.

I don't see the point in buying a grand prix car if it doesn't have the engine that it used when it was being used in competition. Seems like an awful waste of money.

#26 Rybo

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 22:24

Plenty of cars out there still have the correct engines as well as proper sponsor logos.

All of the Team Lotus cars are still running the correct engines as far as I know.

I don't see the point in buying a grand prix car if it doesn't have the engine that it used when it was being used in competition. Seems like an awful waste of money.


It would be too expensive. You would need at least 4 or 5 engines and at least triple the number for piston, cranks, valves etc. Too much upkeep unless your a billionaire.

#27 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 22:28

I'm not sure you would, you could get a detuned engine and you're not using it that hard.

But I think that's why there isn't much in the way of modern stuff. Too expensive and too hard to get a hold of.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 22:32

I'm sure many of the 90's F1 cars running in 'races' like this use either Ford/Cosworth or Judd V8's, because they're inexpensive, have the companies themselves around to maintain them/build them, and can be retuned to last longer (at less power etc.) than a more fussy bespoke F1 unit.

#29 BoschKurve

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 23:01

It would be too expensive. You would need at least 4 or 5 engines and at least triple the number for piston, cranks, valves etc. Too much upkeep unless your a billionaire.


Good point. These cars also have more value if they are running the engines they were built with. Seeing a B-197 with a Judd engine does nothing for me, but the B-197 running the Renault V10 is another story.

Although it does beg the point of how people are able to afford the upkeep of some of the 80s Lotus cars with the Turbo Renault engines. I can't imagine there are exactly parts lying around in abundance for the Renault EF15 motor. Not that they're likely being run all that much, but still.

Edited by BoschKurve, 05 May 2013 - 23:04.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:27

I'm not sure you would, you could get a detuned engine and you're not using it that hard.

But I think that's why there isn't much in the way of modern stuff. Too expensive and too hard to get a hold of.


I think it's more that most modern teams are going the McLaren way and keeping their old cars on show, even if they're not title winners. That and they need to keep hold of them so their engineering secrets don't get out - Sauber are still secretive of their 2008 car. Most modern stuff are teams that died - HRT, Toyota, Honda, Arrows.

Edited by mattferg, 06 May 2013 - 01:27.


#31 Rybo

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:38

I think it's more that most modern teams are going the McLaren way and keeping their old cars on show, even if they're not title winners. That and they need to keep hold of them so their engineering secrets don't get out - Sauber are still secretive of their 2008 car. Most modern stuff are teams that died - HRT, Toyota, Honda, Arrows.


Maybe, but I have a feeling that if you had enough cash any of the teams would sell you a car. Again though it's can you get the required parts to maintain and race it?

#32 DanardiF1

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:17

Anyone know what happened to all the old Minardi's from years gone by? Are they Red Bull's property now or were they sold off when the team changed hands?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:42

Plenty of cars out there still have the correct engines as well as proper sponsor logos.

All of the Team Lotus cars are still running the correct engines as far as I know.

I don't see the point in buying a grand prix car if it doesn't have the engine that it used when it was being used in competition. Seems like an awful waste of money.


Depends on the original engine contract between the engine supplier and the race car constructor/team? I thought that some engine builders like Works Honda for Mclaren took all units back as they were performance contract... ?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 18:07

Depends on the original engine contract between the engine supplier and the race car constructor/team? I thought that some engine builders like Works Honda for Mclaren took all units back as they were performance contract... ?


Painful journey of one women who had bought a RA107 with out an Engine.. and the adventures in trying to get one to fit and having to get Hewland to make a new gear box...

http://www.f1technic...049f55c3f459855

http://www.racecar-e...gineering-show/

BTW Boss GP is all about Karl Zwarf the super rich billionaire either he is a very very good driver and the rest are rubbish or his cars are much better than the others...


Edited by Fondmetal, 07 May 2013 - 18:11.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 18:08

I have seen that BOSS GP has lost a lot of participants in 2015 for the "open" class. Why is that ?



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 18:27

Painful journey of one women who had bought a RA107 with out an Engine.. and the adventures in trying to get one to fit and having to get Hewland to make a new gear box...

http://www.f1technic...049f55c3f459855

http://www.racecar-e...gineering-show/

BTW Boss GP is all about Karl Zwarf the super rich billionaire either he is a very very good driver and the rest are rubbish or his cars are much better than the others...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=OeYPKQXT1Sg


To be fair to him, he doesn't look like he's hanging about or 'preserving the car'... Good luck to him. He's about 6 seconds off last years f1 pole lap... He could probably do better than some of the pay drivers... And he would be able to find the spare change down the back of his sofa to outbid them all too!

#37 Silverstone96

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 22:42

Would be nice to see some of these cars come to the uk but the series never tends to visit for some reason

#38 Thundersports

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 23:49

The whole EuroBoss/Boss saga is a bit of a long story. The series was run by Roger Cowman for many years fairly sucessfully however in 2010 the series was split by a German guy and a group of rich Dutch racers. EuroBoss didn't survive this but Boss did hence it's Europe based. They have tried having UK rounds but they have been poorly supported by the UK owners mainly due to there F1 cars being uncompetitive against the hordes of modern GP2/WSR cars in the series. I believe the cut off date for cars in both series was the major mistake; it should have stayed at 1998 or 2000. The F1 cars post these dates being impossible to run unless you had a bottomless pocket. The result is a grid full of GP2/WSR cars which are much easier to run/maintain and alot faster in amateurs hands than a mid 90s F1 car. This creates another issue of the owner of say a 1995 Williams not wanting to risk his 750k car against a 75k WSR car........



#39 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 06:54

You want to try that in English? :well:

 

Come on, one was only missing one word: "it".  These article words, and others joining words used to construct a sentence, are generally not present in non-Latin based languages, please be fair to those trying to learn English.  :)



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#40 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 06:55

Because it's ****?

 

Is not!  :mad:

 

I would watch it if available nearby.  Bearing in mind, it is an amateur series for gentleman and lady drivers.  :yawnface:

 

Damn sight nicer, more varied and more entertaining motor cars compared to F1. 



#41 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:05

I'm not sure you're a collector if you change the engines and sometimes even change the graphics :|

 

Please...

 

LvLox5o.jpg

 

 

 

This car is owned by Mr Quinn of New Zealand -- completely authentic livery as you can see... He also has a Ford Escort RS200 Group B  :love:  in addition to running the modern McLaren 650S GT3 (a sensible car for gentleman racer and son to race wouldn't you agree?), (may I add) over the years providing opportunities by sponsoring professional drivers and sponsoring youngsters on the way up too.  :wave:



#42 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:08

Depends on the original engine contract between the engine supplier and the race car constructor/team? I thought that some engine builders like Works Honda for Mclaren took all units back as they were performance contract... ?

 

It's silly to run any engine other than Judd 4.2 V10. As an F1-based LMP engine, it is specifically designed to be compatible with F1 yet a lower cost engine with longer rebuild interval than a true F1 engine.  :up:   :cool:



#43 HistoryFan

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 10:53

Please...

 

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This car is owned by Mr Quinn of New Zealand -- completely authentic livery as you can see... He also has a Ford Escort RS200 Group B  :love:  in addition to running the modern McLaren 650S GT3 (a sensible car for gentleman racer and son to race wouldn't you agree?), (may I add) over the years providing opportunities by sponsoring professional drivers and sponsoring youngsters on the way up too.  :wave:

 

where is he running that lovely car?



#44 king_crud

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 15:40

Not all buyers of old F1 cars care so much. Someone turned this:

 

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into this

 

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WHYYYYYYY?????????????



#45 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 17:14

where is he running that lovely car?

Australia ans New Zealand  :)



#46 Thundersports

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 18:43

There was a Simtek in EuroBoss driven by Paul Smith. One has appeared once at Hockenheim in 2011 driven by Peter Alexander.



#47 HistoryFan

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 22:20

Australia ans New Zealand  :)

but not in races?