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[charly0418]

Marca revealed today the salaries of all F1 drivers http://www.marca.com...1367925007.html
Knowing Marca and how they deal with soccer this might all be a lie but I think its still interesting

Here's the salaries of each driver:

1 - Fernando Alonso (Ferrari): 20 millones de euros
2 - Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes): 20 millones de euros
3 - Jenson Button (McLaren): 16 millones de euros
4 - Sébastian Vettel (Red Bull): 12 millones de euros
5 - Nico Rosberg (Mercedes): 11 millones de euros
6 - Mark Webber (Red Bull): 10 millones de euros
7 - Felipe Massa (Ferrari): 6 millones de euros
8 - Kimi Räikkönen (Lotus): 3 millones de euros
9 - Sergio Pérez (Mclaren): 1,5 millones de euros
10 - Romain Grosjean (Lotus): 1 millón de euros
11 - Pastor Maldonado (Williams): 1 millón de euros
12 - Nico Hulkenberg (Sauber): 1 millón de euros
13 - Valteri Bottas (Williams): 600.000 euros
14 - Jules Bianchi (Marussia): 500.000 euros
15 - Adrián Sutil (Force India): 500.000 euros
16 - Paul di Resta (Force India): 400.000 euros
17 - Jean Eric Vergne (Toro Rosso): 400.000 euros
18 - Daniel Ricciardo (Toro Rosso): 400.000 euros
19 - Esteban Gutiérrez (Sauber): 200.000 euros
20 - Charles Pic (Caterham): 150.000 euros
21 - Guiedo van der Garde (Caterham): 150.000 euros


If you don't see Chilton its because according to them he pays entirely for the seat, which makes sense I guess.
The difference between Perez and Button is hilarious
Paul DiResta gets too little

What do you guys think?

[Kimiraikkonen]

Marca is a joke newspaper. Zero credibility

[Cavani]

hulkenberg is taking a lot for a team in the shits like sauber

[SpartanChas]

Would like to know how much Seb actually takes home (i.e, bonuses).

[Victor]

I find Guiedo van der Garde bloody expensive!

[FastnLoud]

8 - Kimi Räikkönen (Lotus): 3 millones de euros

No Chance

[ConsiderAndGo]

That is total b*****ks. Raikkonen on 3m? LOL

[Santosdf]

I don't belive those numbers, Kimi and Vettel too low compared to Alonso and Hamilton besides I think most of the teams and drivers like to keep this information confidential

[Sin]

..... just one thing why the heck did you write Sébastian instead of Sebastian? he isn't french....

[pingu666]

there where reports that kimi is low base lolhigh bonus contract, so 3mill might be right

[charly0418]

..... just one thing why the heck did you write Sébastian instead of Sebastian? he isn't french....

I copy pasted the information from the link, which is in Spanish, I guess their autocorrect put the accent there

[Sin]

ah I see....

well if these numbers are true... I'm most surprised about Maldonado getting as much as Hülkenberg :o

Adrian is written wrong btw too :P we germans dont have any special letters except for ä ö ü & ß

Edited by Sin, 07 May 2013 - 20:46.

[SpartanChas]

there where reports that kimi is low base lolhigh bonus contract, so 3mill might be right

I've heard that too. Kimi deserved way more than €3,000,000 for last year!

[artista]

I copy pasted the information from the link, which is in Spanish, I guess their autocorrect put the accent there

Spanish autocorrect would have written 'Sebastián' not 'Sébastian'.

To the topic: at least the article admits in their first line the 'information' is not theirs but taken from somebody else's site (or magazine or whatever the thing they name is)

[Radion]

Not 100% sure, but I've heard Kimi earned 25.000 for each point...

Edited by Radion, 07 May 2013 - 20:43.

[Moore]

I don't belive those numbers, Kimi and Vettel too low compared to Alonso and Hamilton besides I think most of the teams and drivers like to keep this information confidential

Its been reported a numerous amount of times that Sebastian is on a baseline salary and then has bonuses for points, podiums, wins and championships.

I'm guessing it is similar with Kimi as well.

[bourbon]

I think Alonso is closer to 28 and Vettel/Webber have otherworldly bonuses, so those amounts may be close to correct as a base amount - but their take home based on performance is purportedly much more healthy - not to mention the WCC/WDC bonuses - but those may not be counted until they happen. Kimi is another with a hefty bonus - which we know is true as it nearly bankrupted Lotus last season, lol. Finally, I heard Nico's salary was closer to 15, but that may have included sponsorship, I dunno. My source was Forbes.

[Sakae]

Some drivers seems overpaid for what little they deliver.

[BoozeBaron]

this is both old, and accurate - Seb neg his own deals - but is RBR bonus backed, not shown - Kimi did take a massive cut as an unknown (thanks to Schumi's massive success coming back) -and Lewis wanted to match Alonso... and got it - I see no surprises here really...

[discover23]

...
1 - Fernando Alonso (Ferrari): 20 millones de euros
..
..
7 - Felipe Massa (Ferrari): 6 millones de euros
8 - Kimi Räikkönen (Lotus): 3 millones de euros
...

What do you guys think?

with only having read the OP, I already see that this is going to create a problem for some on this forum.

I don't really think those #'s are 100% accurate but the order seems correct to me.

Edited by discover23, 07 May 2013 - 21:05.

[discover23]

Some drivers seems overpaid for what little they deliver.

I would say Rosberg and Massa a few year ago.. - 2010/2011, when he was making close to ~$12 million are some good examples.

[mattferg]

That is total b*****ks. Raikkonen on 3m? LOL

Bearing in mind a lot of these drivers have performance-related bonuses, a lot of these numbers are skewed by those facts - Kimi is a big example of this. His salary might be small but his bonus was HUGE last year (15m+)

Edited by mattferg, 07 May 2013 - 21:10.

[beute]

Massa would never get 6million...
he just renewed hist contract after 2 years of miserable performance.
even if he convinced ferrari of his speed with the late 2012 boost he had, no way he is going to get 6 million, it's not like he had any bargaining power AT ALL.

Raikkonen at 3 mill could well be true.
his speed was an unknown when Lotus signed him, he also had not much bargaining power as he was out of F1 for 2 years.
He relies on bonuses to make his money, which caused problems for Lotus as they probably didnt believe he would end up 3rd in the WDC...

[Sakae]

The law of supply and demand is fascinating, isn't it.

In manipulated markets and in pseudoscience this law fails.

Vettel is in the same, if not in more demand than Hamilton, yet income figures that were quoted do not reflect that.
Ferrari, RBR, Mercedes, and I can add Lotus were interested in him, but Hamilton had bad luck at Ferrari and RBR. I am not sure about Lotus.
Conclusion: Hamilton is either overpaid, or Vettel is underpaid.

[Rybo]

In manipulated markets and in pseudoscience this law fails.

Vettel is in the same, if not in more demand than Hamilton, yet income figures that were quoted do not reflect that.
Ferrari, RBR, Mercedes, and I can add Lotus were interested in him, but Hamilton had bad luck at Ferrari and RBR. I am not sure about Lotus.
Conclusion: Hamilton is either overpaid, or Vettel is underpaid.

If i'm not mistaken Alonso was head and shoulders above everyone from 2010 and up until Hamilton'e new contract is still above everyone else as far as base salary is concerned. RBR is notoriously bonus laden so their base salary will seem lower by comparison. After everything is said and done I'm sure Vettel, Alonso, and Hamilton make around the same amount. The only difference is how they get there. Alonso and Hamilton comes upfront in a very structured way, where as Vettl's comes from performance bonuses.

Edited by Rybo, 07 May 2013 - 21:34.

[2ms]

Rather worthless if it's only showing base salary and not bonuses. Which of course is the case.

[lambylamby]

ah I see....

well if these numbers are true... I'm most surprised about Maldonado getting as much as Hülkenberg

Adrian is written wrong btw too we germans dont have any special letters except for ä ö ü & ß

Umlaut heaven.

[Mandzipop]

In manipulated markets and in pseudoscience this law fails.

Vettel is in the same, if not in more demand than Hamilton, yet income figures that were quoted do not reflect that.
Ferrari, RBR, Mercedes, and I can add Lotus were interested in him, but Hamilton had bad luck at Ferrari and RBR. I am not sure about Lotus.
Conclusion: Hamilton is either overpaid, or Vettel is underpaid.

You have to consider Seb does not pay management fees. Big difference. He is cheaper to hire. Say hypothetically, put him in a Ferrari, they could pay him less than Alonso, but after management fees are deducted, Seb actually ends up with more in his bank account than Alonso. All hypothetical of course.

[Sakae]

You have to consider Seb does not pay management fees. Big difference. He is cheaper to hire. Say hypothetically, put him in a Ferrari, they could pay him less than Alonso, but after management fees are deducted, Seb actually ends up with more in his bank account than Alonso. All hypothetical of course.

...my comment was made on figures shown. I do suspect it is far more complicated on pre-tax calculations, since I don't know what other benefits driver receives from income outside what his teams pays him.


Someone posted the other day table on income of sports figures in England. Hamilton was in 2012 rated at 60 Mill GBP. (I am not sure if that was pre-tax or after taxes). Scratch that - it might have been his total wealth. I might got this wrong.

Edited by Sakae, 07 May 2013 - 22:09.

[Goron3]

8 - Kimi Räikkönen (Lotus): 3 millones de euros

No Chance

Actually this is likely very accurate as there were numerous reports that he got paid per point he earns during a season, hence the jokes after Abu Dhabi that Lotus couldn't afford to pay him.

Vettel's seems higher than expected given they are payed significantly more depending on their wins, but that tally might include the bonuses.

[Ikebana]

Those numbers could very well be right, but indeed those may be just their "minimum wage" without bonuses and such.

[Afterburner]

Speed TV said last year that Vettel's current contract earns him only $2 million a year, but he takes home an additional $500,000 for every win and a significant bonus if the team takes home the WDC/WCC. In this case, I'd say $12 million a year in total is probably right for last year; his earnings are performance-based, though.

Edited by Afterburner, 08 May 2013 - 00:31.

[Brother Fox]

Vettel is in the same, if not in more demand than Hamilton, yet income figures that were quoted do not reflect that.

Assuming the numbers are right, over the last 3 years, if you're motivated by being regarded as one of the all time greats, wins, poles, championships etc to you name would you:
a) Drive a Red Bull for $12m?
b) Drive a Mercedes for $20m?

Being top of the tree surely gives RB some bargaining power too.

[tjkoyen]

Wasn't Kimi's Ferrari contract something like $50-60 million over his 3 years? Pretty big cut to be where he's at now.

[Vesuvius]

Kimi's manager said last year that Kimi is still in top3 when it comes to salaries as he has big bonuses from every point and podiums&wins give more money.

[nomi]

In the latest Formula magazine, Joe Saward has an article about salaries. From all his paddock knowledge also backed up by various people in the paddock the following salaries are confirmed as,

Alonso 26 million pounds(incl endorsements)
Hamilton 24 million pounds(incl endorsements)
Button 13.7 million pounds


Vettel 9 million pounds with 8400 pounds per point on top, his 2014 salary would naturally increase to 10.7 million pounds

Massa 8.5 million pounds
Rosberg - same as Massa

Webber 6.4 million pounds incl bonus points as of 2012

Raikkonen 4.9 million pounds incl bonus points as of 2012

Perez 1.3 million pounds
Grosjean 850,00 pounds
Hulkenberg 490,000 pounds
Maldonado 326,000 pounds
Ricciardo 326,000 pounds
Vergne 326,000 pounds
Resta 261,000 pounds


I'm not so sure of Maldonado, i read before he was on 1.5 million ?

[intelligentsia]

According to Sportune.fr Kimi's base salary last season was 5 mil euros, he also earned 750,000 for every podium finish and there were extra bonuses for wins. However Lotus had problems paying his salary last year, as he did better then they expected. They have changed his contract for this season to a 3 mil euros base salary, and 40,000 euro per point apparently.

http://www.sportune....u-contrat-78819
http://www.sportune....-denstone-90154

[nomi]

^ That's unusual the Robertsons are always very much getting top dollar for their drivers.

[F1ultimate]

^ That's unusual the Robertsons are always very much getting top dollar for their drivers.

Yeah they are top negotiator but the situation with Kimi at Lotus is a bit unique since they are not a top team with big budgets.

[ZooL]

^ That's unusual the Robertsons are always very much getting top dollar for their drivers.

But they got so greedy that Kimi left F1 because of it, with unfruitful negotiations with some teams.

Vettel is underpaid but I guess RBR can do that because they have Newey so can negotiate harder...

Button is relatively overpaid in my opinion.

Edited by ZooL, 08 May 2013 - 08:20.

[Go_Go]

Jenson Button (McLaren): 16 millones de euros
Sergio Pérez (Mclaren): 1,5 millones de euros
Tooo match for both

[intelligentsia]

^ That's unusual the Robertsons are always very much getting top dollar for their drivers.

There are some reports that Kimi is not that involved with the Robertsons as he used to be. There where some reports that they only draw up the contracts, and Kimi did the negotiating himself. Lotus just doesn't have as much resources as the large teams. But Lotus is on the up when it comes to results, it makes sense for Kimi to earn a lower salary for potentially better results.

[Dzeidzei]

Marca revealed today the salaries of all F1 drivers http://www.marca.com...1367925007.html
Knowing Marca and how they deal with soccer this might all be a lie but I think its still interesting

Here's the salaries of each driver:

1 - Fernando Alonso (Ferrari): 20 millones de euros
2 - Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes): 20 millones de euros
3 - Jenson Button (McLaren): 16 millones de euros
4 - Sébastian Vettel (Red Bull): 12 millones de euros
5 - Nico Rosberg (Mercedes): 11 millones de euros
6 - Mark Webber (Red Bull): 10 millones de euros
7 - Felipe Massa (Ferrari): 6 millones de euros
8 - Kimi Räikkönen (Lotus): 3 millones de euros

You could also see, who is most worth the money.

8. Nico 1.3 M€/point
7. Jenson 1.2 M€/point
6. Alonso 450 K€/point
5. Hamilton 400 K€/point
4. Webber 312 K€/point
5. Massa 200 K€/point
6. Vettel 156 K€/point
7. Perez 150 K€/point
8. Raikkonen 45K€/point

So as an investment Nico and Jenson should be sacked today, Kimi is 10 times better than Alonso.

[Slackbladder]

Jenson Button (McLaren): 16 millones de euros
Sergio Pérez (Mclaren): 1,5 millones de euros
Tooo match for both

Equal drivers at McLaren remember.

[ArkZ]

Those salaries are strange:
In 2011 Sport Illustrated announced list in which Alonso was 3rd best paid sportsman in the world with 45,000,000$
,also in 2012 other source announced their list where Alonso was 5th in the world with 40,000,000$
Motosport sources Alonso 22-30m euros, Massa 12-16m euros.

Edited by ArkZ, 08 May 2013 - 11:17.

[F1EC]

You have to consider Seb does not pay management fees. Big difference. He is cheaper to hire. Say hypothetically, put him in a Ferrari, they could pay him less than Alonso, but after management fees are deducted, Seb actually ends up with more in his bank account than Alonso. All hypothetical of course.

Base salaries are interesting, but it's the contracted package that would really show their pecking order.
I'd be interested to know what expenses the drivers incur, what they pay for themselves, and what is picked up by the team. I imagine that's highly negotiable.

[F1ultimate]

Base salaries are interesting, but it's the contracted package that would really show their pecking order.
I'd be interested to know what expenses the drivers incur, what they pay for themselves, and what is picked up by the team. I imagine that's highly negotiable.

Yeah. Perks can account for a lot and can include things like complimentary private jet flights to meet family/partner, holiday homes, travel allowance etc. I bet some of the top drivers get so many perks that they barely have to touch their salaries.

[One]

How about: I have heard that Fernando earns 200 million euro annually and Kimi earns 250 million annually by being a formula one driver that they are. Vettel earns 100.000,- in comparison, which makes him the best asset that a team can have.

[charly0418]

How about: I have heard that Fernando earns 200 million euro annually and Kimi earns 250 million annually by being a formula one driver that they are. Vettel earns 100.000,- in comparison, which makes him the best asset that a team can have.

200 million euros.... I think you lost your perception on money... no way the win that

[One]

200 million euros.... I think you lost your perception on money... no way the win that

After all what is the credibility for this 'research'?