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#1501 Shiroo

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 18:04

I feel like I've traveled back in time a year.

it is va banque or not. Ofc they will test it on Kimi's car cause he need something to get back in WDC contender

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#1502 SpaMaster

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 18:19

it is va banque or not. Ofc they will test it on Kimi's car cause he need something to get back in WDC contender

And then some Kimi fans would moan that they should have tested on Grosjean's car if it does not work.
They would also moan that they should have tested on Kimi's car if it works on Grosjean's car.
So, I hope it works, works big, and they test it on Kim's car at least, if not both the cars.

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#1503 Vesuvius

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 18:25

Of course it's on Kimi's car (could be on Romain's too) because he has tested the system before not Romain.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 19:16

That is an improved monkey seat. different from the one they ran with the DRD during winter testing:

New one vs Old one
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Posted 27 June 2013 - 19:19

The round monkey seat has been there before, but the open 'ears' are indeed a new feature. You are right, that points to the use of the DRD :up:

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yes it was there (see the bottom picture, that is the old monkey seat) but the top picture is the new monkey seat, with distance keeper stuff on the inside > points to DRD pipe passing in between the monkey seat's legs.


that shirt looks like something for golf, not something for f1. :| well, not that I have that much money to throw away... :blush:

#1506 Raikkonen94

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 19:27

Of course it's on Kimi's car (could be on Romain's too) because he has tested the system before not Romain.


According to this tweet it's only on Kimi's car:

Bianca Leppert @janci1612

The @Lotus_F1Team seems to test special DRS again. Grosjean with closed "ears", Räikkönen with open "ears"

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 19:50

Team also hoping for Grosjean with open "eyes" and functioning "brain" this weekend.

#1508 V3TT3L

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 20:22

According to this tweet it's only on Kimi's car:

Bianca Leppert @janci1612

The @Lotus_F1Team seems to test special DRS again. Grosjean with closed "ears", Räikkönen with open "ears"

Kimi has to test the new part before Grosjean smashes it ;D

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 20:52

Team also hoping for Grosjean with open "eyes" and functioning "brain" this weekend.


Like this?? :drunk: :drunk: :drunk:

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 20:58

http://www.blogf1.it...il-drs-passivo/

Reports on the DRD definitely a part of Silverstone plans..

Scarbsf1 Tweeting the same...i just dont know personally..its just too good to be true.

#1511 swerved

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 22:34

http://www.blogf1.it...il-drs-passivo/

Reports on the DRD definitely a part of Silverstone plans..

Scarbsf1 Tweeting the same...i just dont know personally..its just too good to be true.


Kravitz mentioned it as well, on the Sky F1 show, and Kimi told Lazenby that he'd had "small talks" with Red Bull.


#1512 grunge

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 23:07


Kravitz mentioned it as well, on the Sky F1 show, and Kimi told Lazenby that he'd had "small talks" with Red Bull.


It seems to have been engulfed in the Webber retirement/RB vacancy news flood..

Which is a shame cuz this is supposed to be a 'major' development...If it is tried and it works out as proposed,the 2nd half of the season would become a completely different ball game altogether.

#1513 grunge

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 23:18

Not for this race, in Silverstone the speed difference between the longest straight top speed and fastest corner is quite small. But if they can make it work from now on, that´s really good.

Its important even at Silverstone...The difference would still be significant because the device also supposedly increases rear downforce levels by anti-stalling the wing and increasing flow towards diffuser when cornering..

1.Silverstone is a high aero-df track..any addition in overall levels will help.

2.More downforce means improvement in tire heating issues,something that is the Achilles heels of the Lotus E21 when it comes to Quali..

3.More straight line acceleration with the Wing staller open..Lotus at the moment is very poor when it comes to overtaking on the straights..That will help.

All of this ofcourse depends on whether device works as planned..and obviously if Lotus decides to use it in Silverstone in the first place.

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#1514 grunge

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 23:22

Of course it's on Kimi's car (could be on Romain's too) because he has tested the system before not Romain.

Even putting that aside,it makes sense to test it on KR......going by recent form ,means ending up 5th or 6th and that isnt going to do crap.

We need a win..taking the all or none approach is the way to go.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 23:27

Its important even at Silverstone...The difference would still be significant because the device also supposedly increases rear downforce levels by anti-stalling the wing and increasing flow towards diffuser when cornering..

1.Silverstone is a high aero-df track..any addition in overall levels will help.

2.More downforce means improvement in tire heating issues,something that is the Achilles heels of the Lotus E21 when it comes to Quali..

3.More straight line acceleration with the Wing staller open..Lotus at the moment is very poor when it comes to overtaking on the straights..That will help.

All of this ofcourse depends on whether device works as planned..and obviously if Lotus decides to use it in Silverstone in the first place.


Didn´t know about that extra DF property, I thought it only took away drag at high speed.

If it does that, sure your number 1 and 2 pros are indeed worth, about 3, the advantage will be marginal. It will only cut drag down over the highest apex speed. And T1 is REALLY fast. That thing would only help in the very last part of the two longer straights, and only in laps where DRS is not avaliable.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 00:25

Didn´t know about that extra DF property, I thought it only took away drag at high speed.

If it does that, sure your number 1 and 2 pros are indeed worth, about 3, the advantage will be marginal. It will only cut drag down over the highest apex speed. And T1 is REALLY fast. That thing would only help in the very last part of the two longer straights, and only in laps where DRS is not avaliable.

Yes,it does do that,reportedly...See Scarbs and F1.com's explanation of the system from last year.Its still conjecture to some degree but thats the best we have.

About point 3,well thats not correct..The lotus device can be set to stall at any given speed limit ,even at one below the highest speed value through a fast corner.because at those high speeds(Scarborough suspects anything above 250 km/hr) the downforce is majorly provided by the diffuser which is enough for the aero load,the rear wing itself is not needed.


At Silverstone T6 is taken at 280 Km/hr,Turn 7 at 303 Km/hr and T1 at 302 Km/hr..The Lotus device's Stalling component can hypothetically work at all these 3 corners as soon as the car exceeds a speed roughly around 250 km/hr

To understand the device,here is Scarbsf1's Article..you can find more info from various other sources on Google.

http://scarbsf1.com/...evice-analysis/

#1517 Radion

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:18

Lotus has nothing to lose...

#1518 Vesuvius

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:21

rainy day today so hopefully they will still get usefull testing data today.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:46

rainy day today so hopefully they will still get usefull testing data today.


:up: Be great if the ddrs gizmo brings some extra time, but if it does we have to hope they dont lose it in pitstops :lol:


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#1520 swerved

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:50

Lotus tweet.

E21 readied for #Kimi who will run with something we've had up our sleeves for a while today... Can you guess what? http://t.co/VhaKHEMCOn

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 08:58

Hopefully FP2 will be dry, I want to see the DDRS/DRD so bad on the E21 on Sunday!

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:01

Hopefully FP2 will be dry, I want to see the DDRS/DRD so bad on the E21 on Sunday!


It's not the only update the car has and not maybe even the most important one...the device is worth to 0,1-0,2 depending on track. New suspension and bodywork could be even more important ones.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:03

It's not the only update the car has and not maybe even the most important one...the device is worth to 0,1-0,2 depending on track. New suspension and bodywork could be even more important ones.

Wasn't there a talk that DDRS is woth something like half a second when it was first introduced? Really that much of fuss for an update of 0.1 is rather silly, I guess.

#1524 Shiroo

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:11

it was said to be worth up to 0.5sec depending on the track. on fast tracks like Spa and Silverstone you could get as m uch as the mentioned 0.5

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:25

nope team denied the half second story written by autosport and told it's worth 0,1-0,2 at track like spa. Ideally it could be 0,5 but it takes away performance from other areas, that's why they haven't got it working so in the end the advantage could be a tehth or few but as long as it's step forward, everything goes.

Edited by Vesuvius, 28 June 2013 - 09:27.


#1526 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:26

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:26

Kravitz : "Lotus learnt from their straight line test how to "trick" the DDRS and are more confident of it working"

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:27

nope team denied the half second story written by autosport and told it's worth 0,1-0,2 at track like spa.

I think that they're downplaying the device intentionally because of the competiton. If not, it's such a waste of time and money combined.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:28

Kravitz : "Lotus learnt from their straight line test how to "trick" the DDRS and are more confident of it working"


it was about damn time :up: if they fail to race it now, they should just leave it.

#1530 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:28

nope team denied the half second story written by autosport and told it's worth 0,1-0,2 at track like spa. Ideally it could be 0,5 but it takes away performance from other areas, that's why they haven't got it working so in the end the advantage could be a tehth or few but as long as it's step forward, everything goes.

Source? I think 0,1-0,2 is total BS.

#1531 Vesuvius

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:29

I think that they're downplaying the device intentionally because of the competiton. If not, it's such a waste of time and money combined.


maybe but other teams has also studied it and said the advantage isn't that big in the end as it cost perfomance on other areas. 0,1 second in f1 is a lot of time.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:29

Kravitz now says they intend to race it.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:29

Source? I think 0,1-0,2 is total BS.


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:30

maybe but other teams has also studied it and said the advantage isn't that big in the end as it cost perfomance on other areas. 0,1 second in f1 is a lot of time.

It's not a lot of time if you develop it almost 2 years.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:30

it was about damn time :up: if they fail to race it now, they should just leave it.



Yep, long overdue, and it sounds like they're ready to take the risk with it, be nice if Allison left a legacy :lol:

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:31

It's not a lot of time if you develop it almost 2 years.


for todays title fight it's...it could be 0,1 today but when they learn more from it...it could be more ;)

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:51

Even if it gives half a second or more, it's still not worth all the resources, time and money put into it.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:53

for todays title fight it's...it could be 0,1 today but when they learn more from it...it could be more ;)

I think they were refering to the previous solution of their DRS. And that's why they were not using it at all.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 09:57

I think they were refering to the previous solution of their DRS. And that's why they were not using it at all.


could be but they have used the old one more than the new one :)

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:05

could be but they have used the old one more than the new one :)

By "old one" I meant every previous versions ;) . "The New one" is on Kimi's car now :) .

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:08

By "old one" I meant every previous versions ;) . "The New one" is on Kimi's car now :) .


yup and the car stays on pit...so much running :rotfl: hopefully the second session is better with this running the system will not be on the car tomorrow.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:14

Even if it gives half a second or more, it's still not worth all the resources, time and money put into it.

At this point the resources have been spent so might as well take advantage of it. You live and learn etc. Also it'll pay dividends if they can now successfully implement it in future cars while other teams will have to waste resources figuring it out or miss the gains it brings.

My swing-o-meter has jumped back to insane unfounded optimism so waiting for Lotus to do their thing and **** everything up again. My body is ready.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:23

Boooh, this is booring. Hope to see some running at FP2.

Meanwhile, Kimi visited at Lotus and tested the new sport car. :cool:

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:49

Johnny Herbert on Sky, "The feeling down at Lotus seems to be that they wont be able to hang on to Kimi"

Added: Boullier "We think we've convinced Kimi to stay here" and "We know Red Bull are pushing hard to get him"

Boullier "We definitely intend to race the device"

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:55

Why was there no running from Kimi? Was he penning his red bull contract?

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:57

Surely it would have been useful to make at least installation lap and not waste time doing that in FP2 if it is dry?

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:15

Why was there no running from Kimi? Was he penning his red bull contract?


Boullier said there was "no need" to do installation laps when its so wet, Lazenby also said that Kimi had been unwell yesterday, possibly flu ?.


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:17

Boullier said there was "no need" to do installation laps when its so wet, Lazenby also said that Kimi had been unwell yesterday, possibly flu ?.

More likely his allergic it comes around june-july.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:25

More likely his allergic it comes around june-july.



Yeah it most probably is that :up:

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 11:33

:rotfl:


He's keeping his new haircut very secret.. could this be the new #KimiStyle? #MentionSomeoneHandsome #F1 #Silverstone http://t.co/sYzPgz6GMi