So Massa gets credit for beating Kimi in Kimi's off years, fighting for the world title once, and then being destroyed by a multiple world champion.
Raikkonen's "off years"? Pretty pathetic excuse, and Massa beat him in both 2008 and 2009; even in 2007 he was at least as fast as Kimi, but screwed over by worse reliability. Throughout 2007-2009 at Ferrari, Massa beat Raikkonen, simples.
And this is the same Massa that is currently being dominated by Alonso for the 4th consecutive season...
But Webber gets no credit for beating Rosberg in Rosberg's developmental year, fighting for the world title once, and giving more resistance to a multiple world champion.
Massa's 2008 was far more impressive than Webber's 2010.
Massa won 6 out of 18 races in 2008. Webber won 4 out of 19 races in 2010.
Ferrari and McLaren were equal in 2008. Red Bull, on raw pace, were in a class of their own in 2010.
Massa had a lot of bad luck in '08. Webber, unlike his teammate, did not have horrendous luck in '10.
Massa came within 1 corner of winning the WDC, Webber was nowhere in Abu Dhabi.
Let's see you try to twist this, I can already see a list of excuses coming.
It is so obvious that you have no interest in a fair discussion, and are just arguing whatever double standard is necessary to make Webber-Vettel look bad, it is mind-boggling that you try to keep on this charade of a fair commenter.
Comes from someone who can call Webber a "good and underrated" driver in one comment, and then has the straight face to not rate teammate performaces against Fisichella and Massa?
What makes your comments even more ridiculous is that you're not even abiding by your own rules.
Because for all your preaching about the 'vital importance' of quality team-mates, apparently becoming world champion in a car miles faster than the F2005 and 42 points more reliable than the MP4-20, beating one of the worst drivers in modern history, getting beaten by an Italian wine farmer and beating Giancarlo Fisichella is enough against to warrant the creditentials of 'real deal' and 'new king'.
Alonso decimated Grosjean; beat Trulli, Fisichella, and Massa; and tied Hamilton. That's a more impressive team mate list than Vettel, no matter how you try to twist it.
As for your comment on Fisichella, do you have any clue how highly he was rated before he teamed up with Alonso? Here's a hint: A lot higher than Webber back in 2008!http://forums.autosp...w...t=0&start=0
Edited by Kingshark, 05 June 2013 - 15:07.