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#1151 Szoelloe

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 17:17

Nope.
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Vettel started going faster around that time.


Thats lap 25, scroll to 30


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#1152 Szoelloe

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 17:22

Nope.
Vettel started going faster around that time.


Khmm, that's lap 25. Scoll to lap 30, and check NR's laptimes compared to SV's from lap 26-27. The moment SV pits the difference is 5.163s behing NR, and 2.162 behind LH. He was told on radio to go faster.

#1153 Ferrari2183

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 17:25

Thats lap 25, scroll to 30

I see what you mean but it still doesn't change my opinion that Mercedes held them up. I think Red Bull were always going to 2 stop based on their comments yesterday and they believed that Mercedes would do so too. Didn't work out that way though.

#1154 TheF1BOB

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 17:26

I hear DC said this in BBC commentary " i will probably regret saying this but that was rubbish" referring to today's race.


Probably the greatest thing he's ever said as a commentator. :up:

Edited by TheF1BOB, 26 May 2013 - 17:27.


#1155 Szoelloe

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 17:34

I see what you mean but it still doesn't change my opinion that Mercedes held them up. I think Red Bull were always going to 2 stop based on their comments yesterday and they believed that Mercedes would do so too. Didn't work out that way though.


Exactly my point. The first 5 laps or so, if this was not Monaco, both RB's would have taken them both effortlessly. From then on, they were easily controlling their race.


#1156 Jimisgod

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 17:38

@F1grid BREAKING: Grosjean gets 10 place penalty at Canada for Monaco Grand Prix crash with Ricciardo.


:rotfl: When will it end. No doubt he will crash and ruin Kimi's race again. Perez was only in that position because of the SC.

#1157 speednerd

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 18:40

Perez missed that chicane about 5 times, often forcing other drivers to do the same. Stupid 'racing'.

And as for Hamilton getting overtaken by the Red Bulls, it does seem that because Ros/Ham were 'behind' the SC they had to go to the lap deltas (not get caught speeding behind the SC) but because Red Bull were allowed through they could go flat out until they rejoined. When Red Bull are the ones crying about a meaningless tyre test, this kind of lucky advantage is hilariously ironic.


Meaningless tyre test? :rolleyes:

Ironic? :drunk:

Please pass whatever you're smoking

#1158 sennafan

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 22:09

Wtf Bottas was doing? He just let him by.


maybe he assumed Kimi laped him or he and Kimi are friends

#1159 Dolph

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 22:17

lol at Maldonado and the Caterhams at the start
2 incidents in first half of first lap

Maldonado and Grosjean nearly aren't solid enough drivers to do well at Monaco



:rotfl: :rotfl: Cos neither has ever done well at Monaco, have they :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: The cluelessness is mind bogling

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#1160 Dolph

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 22:20

Grosjean is the wild card of F1. He lacks race craft, but has a fast car so when he crashes and takes cars out it is possibly WDC contendors and that way he has already been a factor in deciding championships.


Do you have a point?

#1161 Risil

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 22:29

I hear DC said this in BBC commentary " i will probably regret saying this but that was rubbish" referring to today's race.


I expect Red Bull were on the phone to the BBC immediately.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 22:39

I hear DC said this in BBC commentary " i will probably regret saying this but that was rubbish" referring to today's race.

Well its about as good as it could be around Monaco really, either somehow they manage to open up some overtaking opportunitys or put up with sort of race every year.
Funny how on SkyF1 theyt said it was one of the best

#1163 SUPRAF1

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 02:15

DC was referring to the fact that Sebastian (and others) had over 2 seconds per lap of pace in reserve when he pushed for fastest lap.

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 03:05

DC was right about the race being rubbish. I cringed every time they showed Rosberg going thru the swimming pool section looking like he was on a cruisy outlap. That's not racing! :down:

Perez showed his Latin blood today and needs to calm down. Kimi taught him a lesson on his second divebomb attempt. :lol:

Grosjean had a shocking weekend. The look from the boss standing in the background says it all really. Send him back to GP2. ):

I'm happy for Rosberg. He deserved the win. Great job all weekend. :up:



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Posted 27 May 2013 - 06:03

Bottas @MTV3: Team informed me that Kimi is leading the race and there were blue flags so I just let him pass :|

:drunk:


he must definitely be kidding. If true, that makes Williams look bad.


#1166 mikerr

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 14:21

I know it's hard to pass in monaco, but with the whole pack crawling round the whole race at 5-10 seconds off quali pace, surely there was plenty in the bag for someone to ignore the orders and pass ?

We only seemed to have Perez doing desperate lunges...

Also why did no one go for a 2 stop ( which was 15 seconds faster in theory at full speeds) - even just for track position ?

#1167 senna da silva

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 14:32

DC was referring to the fact that Sebastian (and others) had over 2 seconds per lap of pace in reserve when he pushed for fastest lap.


I seem to recall a race when Mansell was 2 seconds a lap faster than Senna and he did everything he could to use that pace to try and get around him. I didn't see Seb trying that so perhaps DC was referring to Seb's effort as rubbish. :rotfl:

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 15:37

I seem to recall a race when Mansell was 2 seconds a lap faster than Senna and he did everything he could to use that pace to try and get around him. I didn't see Seb trying that so perhaps DC was referring to Seb's effort as rubbish. :rotfl:


Did he succeed?

I'm sure Rosberg could've gone faster if pressured. Maybe Vettel could've done more, but it would've been risky. Before the Monaco GP Rosberg was 67 points behind him in the championship, after the race there are still 60 points between them. Why should Vettel jeopardize solid 18 points in a race, where the two drivers closest to him in the championship probably won't finish on the podium, while the one most likely to win is currently no threat? I think it was a wise decision.

Edited by caso, 29 May 2013 - 15:38.


#1169 SamH123

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 15:51

The race would have been a good argument for Eccelstone's medal proposition - Vettel was more than happy to settle for 2nd knowing his rivals were struggling with the current system.

If it had been all about 1st place then we may have seen a great fight between Rosberg and Vettel, I don't think the slow pace was all about the tires



#1170 senna da silva

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 15:51

Did he succeed?

I'm sure Rosberg could've gone faster if pressured. Maybe Vettel could've done more, but it would've been risky. Before the Monaco GP Rosberg was 67 points behind him in the championship, after the race there are still 60 points between them. Why should Vettel jeopardize solid 18 points in a race, where the two drivers closest to him in the championship probably won't finish on the podium, while the one most likely to win is currently no threat? I think it was a wise decision.


No he didn't succeed, but it wasn't rubbish was it.
IMO Seb threw in a quick lap but it couldn't have been sustainable otherwise he would've been pressuring Nico, sometimes mistakes happen under pressure.

#1171 d246

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 19:42

I was sat between Tabac and the first swimming pool chicane. Remember HAM & ALO 4 - wheel drifting at ridiculous speeds in 2007? On Sunday, they weren't much faster than the Formula Renault which preceded the F1 race.

Pretty disappointing spectacle.

#1172 Cavani

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 20:24

yes , i couldn't believe how slow was rosberg"the race leader" through the first swimming pool , seriously ? even martin brundle said that his mom is a good driver and reckons she can drive like that :D

#1173 EthanM

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 20:37

well the race leaders were lapping the best part of 8 seconds off quali pace, on a 75 second lap ... of course they looked slow

#1174 Cavani

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 20:57

well the race leaders were lapping the best part of 8 seconds off quali pace, on a 75 second lap ... of course they looked slow


that was just too pedestrian , but this is not all porelli's fault , teams decided to nurse the tyres and do 1 stop instead of bolting it and go 2 stops

#1175 EthanM

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 20:58

that was just too pedestrian , but this is not all porelli's fault , teams decided to nurse the tyres and do 1 stop instead of bolting it and go 2 stops


of course, I am not arguing that. So, dumb question, why doesn't Pirelli bring just supersofts to Monaco and force them to two stop?

#1176 Cavani

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 22:19

of course, I am not arguing that. So, dumb question, why doesn't Pirelli bring just supersofts to Monaco and force them to two stop?

2 different kinds of tyres rule

#1177 g1n

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 22:23

that was just too pedestrian , but this is not all porelli's fault , teams decided to nurse the tyres and do 1 stop instead of bolting it and go 2 stops


EXACTLY, no body forced them to go slow, it was their CHOICE. As was pointed out by Rosberg engineer before the restart Nico had 50% front and 60% rear tyre life left (maybe the other way round), so they went slower than they could in reality as tyre degradation was not as bad as they thought initially.

#1178 SophieB

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:01

Adam Cooper on twitter has highlighted a fan video of the red flag crash on Sunday with a better view than the TV cameras captured. Skip to about one minute in for the accident.



Yikes. As Adam Cooper puts it: "Drivers often say 'I had nowhere to go' after a collision, but in the case of @Jules_Bianchi you have to believe him!"


#1179 prty

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:00

Some said that Perez's overtake to Raikkonen and Alonso were completely different, but seeing the onboard, he was very far back too. The difference is that Alonso moved over instead of squeezing him into the wall:

http://www.youtube.c...p;v=KZm-ha1hn4g

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#1180 Nigol

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:22

Some said that Perez's overtake to Raikkonen and Alonso were completely different, but seeing the onboard, he was very far back too. The difference is that Alonso moved over instead of squeezing him into the wall:

http://www.youtube.c...p;v=KZm-ha1hn4g


What the ... !

Awesome move by Perez. :eek:

#1181 selespeed

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:28

great move...and he obviously planed it....used all the kers in the tunnel.

#1182 prty

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:38

Found also the Raikkonen one. Like I said, the only difference is the Raikkonen squeeze:



In both he forces the driver in front to either take avoiding action, or crash. One chose the former, and the other the latter.

Edited by prty, 02 June 2013 - 22:38.


#1183 Vesuvius

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 02:15

Found also the Raikkonen one. Like I said, the only difference is the Raikkonen squeeze:



In both he forces the driver in front to either take avoiding action, or crash. One chose the former, and the other the latter.


Driver in front can choose the line, so the blame goes for Perez, his move on Alonso was way too risky as well.the difference in both cases were Alonso didn't excpect overtake while Kimi did, if he had he had done the same as Kimi.

Edited by Vesuvius, 03 June 2013 - 02:16.


#1184 Nigol

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:43

By the way, is there any onboard of Perez not raising his hand? :rolleyes:

#1185 prty

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:48

Driver in front can choose the line, so the blame goes for Perez, his move on Alonso was way too risky as well.the difference in both cases were Alonso didn't excpect overtake while Kimi did, if he had he had done the same as Kimi.


Kimi didn't fully expect it either, he was just braking in the middle of the road every lap. Not really defending, and not really driving normal, so he realised he has to defend once Perez was already committed.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:37

that is totally kimi's fault , he didn't cover the inside line he left a gap there and then when perez went for it , he decides to close it.

#1187 g1n

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 12:00

that is totally kimi's fault , he didn't cover the inside line he left a gap there and then when perez went for it , he decides to close it.

Utter nonsense, that gap was always going to disappear. Also Perez was way too naive to think he can try the same thing on someone like Kimi twice and get away with it.

#1188 encircled

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 12:29

Checo's line when he started to brake

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Edited by encircled, 03 June 2013 - 12:44.


#1189 falalalalaland

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:48

Official race edit released on f1.com.

After the Sergio contact Kimi said on team radio: "That f***ing idiot. I wanna hit him when I see him." Not saying that I condone violence, but I lol-ed at the complete deadpan.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 20:49

Well, at least Kimi learned something from Juan when they were teammates :)

Edited by Baddoer, 03 June 2013 - 20:51.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 22:07

After the Sergio contact Kimi said on team radio: "That f***ing idiot. I wanna hit him when I see him." Not saying that I condone violence, but I lol-ed at the complete deadpan.

Perez should watch out with Mr. James-Hunt-Impersonator

http://www.roadandtr...s-mosport-punch

Edited by V3TT3L, 03 June 2013 - 22:10.


#1192 prty

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:33

Utter nonsense, that gap was always going to disappear.


Only if you have a crystal ball or the driver in front decides to cut you off too late.
A proper defense example, covers the gap at the beginning, not once the other driver is already braking:



If you defend but still leave a gap, you have to yield, like Raikkonen here:

Edited by prty, 04 June 2013 - 10:48.