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[Wiggy]

[Edit: title should read 'Father/Son WDC Standings']

1st: Graham and Damon Hill 270 + 360 (630)
2nd: Keke and Nico Rosberg 159.5 + 446.5 (606)
3rd: Nelson and Nelson (jnr) Piquet 481.5 + 19 (500.5)
4th: Gilles and Jacques Villeneuve 101 + 235 (336)
5th: Jack and Gary and David Brabham 253 + 0 + 0 (253)
6th: Mario and Michael Andretti 180 + 7 (187)
7th: Antonio and Alberto Ascari 0 + 107 9/14 (107 9/14)
8th: Hans and Hans-Joachim Stuck 0 + 29 (29)
9th: Satoru and Kazuki Nakajima 16 + 9 (25)
10th: Manfred and Markus Winkelhock 2 + 0 (2)

Do we think the order reflects the abilities of the combined pairs?

Doing it on an overall Wins basis gives an adjusted result:

1st: Graham and Damon Hill 14 + 22 (36)
2nd: Nelson and Nelson (jnr) Piquet 23 + 0 (23)
3rd: Gilles and Jacques Villeneuve 6 + 11 (17)
4th: Jack and Gary and David Brabham 14 + 0 + 0 (14)
5th: Antonio and Alberto Ascari 0 + 13 (13)
6th: Mario and Michael Andretti 12 + 7 (12)
7th: Keke and Nico Rosberg 5 + 2 (7)
8th: Hans and Hans-Joachim Stuck 0 + 0 (0)
9th: Satoru and Kazuki Nakajima 0 + 0 (0)
10th: Manfred and Markus Winkelhock 0 + 0 (0)

And finally, on a win percentage (wins/race starts):

1st: Graham and Damon Hill 36/291 (12.37%)
2nd: Nelson and Nelson (jnr) Piquet 23/232 (9.91%)
3rd: Jack and Gary and David Brabham 14/152 (9.21%)
4th: Mario and Michael Andretti 12/141 (8.51%)
5th: Gilles and Jacques Villeneuve 17/231 (7.36%)
6th: Keke and Nico Rosberg 7/248 (2.82%)
7th: Hans and Hans-Joachim Stuck 0/ (0)
8th: Satoru and Kazuki Nakajima 0/ (0)
9th: Manfred and Markus Winkelhock 0/ (0)

DQ: Antonio and Alberto Ascari 13/32 (40.63%) - Disregarded, as cannot find Antonio race-start stats

Edited by Wiggy, 26 May 2013 - 15:50.

[SpaceHorseParty]

It might me more fair to compare win percentages or something like that.

[DKMoto]

Did you convert the point system to a base level?

Ie, 10 points instead of 25, gotta weigh it out.

[BCM]

Makes zero sense given that the points awarded for each position have changed so drastically over time.

[garoidb]

[Edit: title should read 'Father/Son WDC Standings']

1st: Graham and Damon Hill 270 + 360 (630)
2nd: Keke and Nico Rosberg 159.5 + 446.5 (606)
3rd: Nelson and Nelson (jnr) Piquet 481.5 + 19 (500.5)
4th: Gilles and Jacques Villeneuve 101 + 235 (336)
5th: Jack and Gary and David Brabham 253 + 0 + 0 (253)
6th: Mario and Michael Andretti 180 + 7 (187)
7th: Antonio and Alberto Ascari 0 + 107 9/14 (107 9/14)
8th: Hans and Hans-Joachim Stuck 0 + 29 (29)
9th: Satoru and Kazuki Nakajima 16 + 9 (25)
10th: Manfred and Markus Winkelhock 2 + 0 (2)

Do we think the order reflects the abilities of the combined pairs?

What about Rolf and Michael Schumacher? I know Rolf brings the stats down a bit, but then so does Antonio Ascari!

[Les]

What about Rolf and Michael Schumacher? I know Rolf brings the stats down a bit, but then so does Antonio Ascari!

I didn't know that 'Rolf' and Michael were father and son!

[pacificquay]

Rolf and Michael are father and son, but Rolf was not a racing driver.

[garoidb]

Rolf and Michael are father and son, but Rolf was not a racing driver.

You mean he didn't enter any F1 races? Neither did Antonio Ascari (as recognised in the OP by giving him zero WDC points). Rolf would be the same.

[Wiggy]

Jacques BAR years trashed the Villeneuve stats...

[Wiggy]

On all 3 counts, the Hills come out on top. Accurate?

[pacificquay]

You mean he didn't enter any F1 races?

No, he was not a racing driver. He was a bricklayer.

[garoidb]

No, he was not a racing driver. He was a bricklayer.

Didn't he run a kart track? In any case, I don't see why Michael should be dragged down by Rolf's lack of speed.

[Murl]

Rather than statistically, I'd look at it as a team event, in which case the families with weaker sons would fall down the list.

i.e. The Piquet, Andretti and Brabham families.

That leaves Hill, Rosberg and Villeneuve (and Ascari I suppose) as the real contenders.
Hard to say, has to be Hill I guess, and a toss-up for second and third, for my money.

[Edit: title should read 'Father/Son WDC Standings']

1st: Graham and Damon Hill 270 + 360 (630)
2nd: Keke and Nico Rosberg 159.5 + 446.5 (606)
3rd: Nelson and Nelson (jnr) Piquet 481.5 + 19 (500.5)
4th: Gilles and Jacques Villeneuve 101 + 235 (336)
5th: Jack and Gary and David Brabham 253 + 0 + 0 (253)
6th: Mario and Michael Andretti 180 + 7 (187)
7th: Antonio and Alberto Ascari 0 + 107 9/14 (107 9/14)
8th: Hans and Hans-Joachim Stuck 0 + 29 (29)
9th: Satoru and Kazuki Nakajima 16 + 9 (25)
10th: Manfred and Markus Winkelhock 2 + 0 (2)

Do we think the order reflects the abilities of the combined pairs?

Doing it on an overall Wins basis gives an adjusted result:

1st: Graham and Damon Hill 14 + 22 (36)
2nd: Nelson and Nelson (jnr) Piquet 23 + 0 (23)
3rd: Gilles and Jacques Villeneuve 6 + 11 (17)
4th: Jack and Gary and David Brabham 14 + 0 + 0 (14)
5th: Antonio and Alberto Ascari 0 + 13 (13)
6th: Mario and Michael Andretti 12 + 7 (12)
7th: Keke and Nico Rosberg 5 + 2 (7)
8th: Hans and Hans-Joachim Stuck 0 + 0 (0)
9th: Satoru and Kazuki Nakajima 0 + 0 (0)
10th: Manfred and Markus Winkelhock 0 + 0 (0)

And finally, on a win percentage (wins/race starts):

1st: Graham and Damon Hill 36/291 (12.37%)
2nd: Nelson and Nelson (jnr) Piquet 23/232 (9.91%)
3rd: Jack and Gary and David Brabham 14/152 (9.21%)
4th: Mario and Michael Andretti 12/141 (8.51%)
5th: Gilles and Jacques Villeneuve 17/231 (7.36%)
6th: Keke and Nico Rosberg 7/248 (2.82%)
7th: Hans and Hans-Joachim Stuck 0/ (0)
8th: Satoru and Kazuki Nakajima 0/ (0)
9th: Manfred and Markus Winkelhock 0/ (0)

DQ: Antonio and Alberto Ascari 13/32 (40.63%) - Disregarded, as cannot find Antonio race-start stats

[Kalmake]

Missing Wilson and Christian Fittipaldi.

[Jackmancer]

6th: Mario and Michael Andretti 12 + 7 (12)

There's so many Andretti's out there, but Michael never won a race, let alone 7. His best result was 3rd.

[Briz]

Rolf and Michael are father and son, but Rolf was not a racing driver.

Didn't need to either, they still have the most points.

[V3TT3L]

Missing Wilson and Christian Fittipaldi.

Emerson Fittiipaldi and Max Papis [son in law]

and soon...

Johnny and Johnny Ceccoto