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Kimi on Perez: 'Maybe we should hit him in the face'


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#51 intelligentsia

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 20:35

You should. He didn't. It was a panic move by Kimi. He was nowhere near the racing line.


Even if Kimi wasn't there at all do you actually think Perez would have made that chicane?



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#52 SpaMaster

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 20:41

^ He was just hoping that he would make the corner. Otherwise, both run off the track, no problem and he can keep trying it. That's why I said he should have been punished the first time he drove both Kimi and himself off the track. That was forcing someone off the track and punishable. Instead the stewards were sleeping and have been encouraging Perez with these moves. That's the difference between a sensible driver and kamikaze driver. One knows that he is fairly sure that he would make the other and the other hopes that he would make it. I think the next driver's briefing would be interesting.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 20:42

Personally, I reckoned Kimi should have let him bye earlier. Then he would have taken Hamilton out for him and Kimi would have been 4th.

#54 g1n

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 20:45

This is payback for Sutil :)

#55 Seanspeed

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 20:52

He did say it with a grin afterwards. He didn't actually look to mad, I ve seen Kimi much, much angrier in WRC.


But why cant drivers just say what they want to say, I would rather see drivers say what they mean then pussyfooting around. They asked Kimi a question, is he rather suppose to lie?

He said it, didn't smile whatsoever, then gave a slight smile as he left the interview. Its a bit different.

I honestly dont care that he said it. He was mad. I'd be mad, too. I dont think he'd actually punch him or meant that people should go and punch him, its just a bit of frustration coming out. Its human.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 20:53

I think McLaren is partly to blame for Perez' attitude. They have gone insane with this 'we let our drivers' non-sense and have fallen in love with that. I have no problem with Perez fighting with Button per se. That is if they are any other racing drivers. But I would never support two teammate drivers dice it out like that. I am all for fair treatment and equality. But you can't fight hard with our teammate. The kind of racing Button and Perez do is unacceptable in my book as teammate even though Perez may have a fair case in terms of competitiveness. I think if this continues Button would leave the team like Hamilton did. You can race fair and stern with your teammate, but don't indulge in ding-dongs, that's not okay between teammates. Mclaren is to blame for not checking Perez and he would soon take out Button in one of these races.

#57 SpaMaster

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 20:59

^ You mean like keep pushing off people? That Senna statement is stupid and not fair racing, it is explicitly disallowed in FIA regulations - forcing someone off the track, deliberate crowding, causing an avoidable accident and all you know?

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:01

Secondly, good for Sergio. He reminds me of Mansell in the old days. He is fearless and does not care who is in front. If it's a WDC or not makes no difference to him. He follows the Senna principle: If you are a racing driver you have to go after a gap that exist. He still needs to refine his craft, but I think that so far is very promising.

Keep pushing Sergio!!



The trouble is, the gap that might have been there at the 100 metere board wasn't there when it needed to be, as for his craft, what craft ? Needlecraft ?

#59 1Devil1

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:03

First to ONE: You are a racist idiot!!

Secondly, good for Sergio. He reminds me of Mansell in the old days. He is fearless and does not care who is in front. If it's a WDC or not makes no difference to him. He follows the Senna principle: If you are a racing driver you have to go after a gap that exist. He still needs to refine his craft, but I think that so far is very promising.

Keep pushing Sergio!!


the old Senna quote. Aggressive moves are fine and all fans likes to see good aggressive overtaking maneuver - but you need know what is possible or not. To go for the gap even if there is no gap is stupid, and nothing to be proud of - furthermore it shows a lack of race craft. This quote is stupid even it is from the great Senna, he used it to justify his own harsh overtakes. A good overtaker knows the fine line between aggressive maneuver and possible/likely crash.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:09

What's gutting me is that those &%$§$ stewards even punished Alonso for "cutting the chicane", and ordered him to let Perez overtake then. So they even encourage that Kamikaze kid for his reckless driving. All Alonso did was to avoid a collision, he had no place to go anywhere.

And then Perez does the same with Raikkonen, and Raikkonen of course cuts also the chicane to avoid a collision. So why didn't they punish Raikkonen as well, it was exactly the same situation as with Alonso? Terrible, inconsistent judging of the stewards.

And for ruining Raikkonen's race then, he really should have gotten a drive through penalty, but nothing, they let him get away with everything. I'm really glad that he couldn't finish the race in the end, it's at least some compensating justice.


As for Raikkonen's "slap in the face" comment: Yeah, he's exactly right. Niki Lauda also wholeheartedly agreed with him... :lol:


It wasn't the same. In the Alonso incident Perez was still in control and was able to stay on track and take the chicane correctly. With Kimi he went in far too hot and had to cut the chicane himself.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:10

If Kimi was nowhere near.... I wonder where was 'The Idiot'?? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Kimi is the idiot here. And for this type of comments I hope these WDC points cost him dearly.
He did the same bully move on Vettel in Spain but Seb opened the door and gave room. Glad to see Kimi pay for making such a move.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:12

The trouble is, the gap that might have been there at the 100 metere board wasn't there when it needed to be, as for his craft, what craft ? Needlecraft ?



All that whining!!

They are racing. It's disappointing to see so many guys here crying because a driver is aggressive in the track. I get that some of you are british and don't like that Sergio is challenging Button.
But remember that Senna was criticized many times for "crashing too much" also. And if I remember correctly, he turned out to be a pretty good driver, right?

Sergio has been consistently improving. If he continues like that he may become a real prospect. None of the other "new guys" seem to have the "fire inside" like Checo does.

I enjoy watching him race. And as a disclaimer: I am a Kimmi fan!

#63 Kucki

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:14

If everyone would be allowed to change line under braking you would never see an overtaking maneuvre. Kimis was in the wrong there.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:14

All that whining!!

They are racing. It's disappointing to see so many guys here crying because a driver is aggressive in the track. I get that some of you are british and don't like that Sergio is challenging Button.
But remember that Senna was criticized many times for "crashing too much" also. And if I remember correctly, he turned out to be a pretty good driver, right?

Sergio has been consistently improving. If he continues like that he may become a real prospect. None of the other "new guys" seem to have the "fire inside" like Checo does.

I enjoy watching him race. And as a disclaimer: I am a Kimmi fan!

Who's Kimmi?

#65 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:15

If everyone would be allowed to change line under braking you would never see an overtaking maneuvre. Kimis was in the wrong there.

or at least partially to blame...you can't do that and get away with it, the car on the inside has nowhere to go.
If you don't want perez there CLOSE the gap before the braking starts

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:16

I think Perez is driving much worst than 2012. Back then he used to measure his driving and keep his gained places.

This year that "fire inside" is litting his own arse and screwing his own races.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:17

All that whining!!

They are racing. It's disappointing to see so many guys here crying because a driver is aggressive in the track. I get that some of you are british and don't like that Sergio is challenging Button.
But remember that Senna was criticized many times for "crashing too much" also. And if I remember correctly, he turned out to be a pretty good driver, right?

Sergio has been consistently improving. If he continues like that he may become a real prospect. None of the other "new guys" seem to have the "fire inside" like Checo does.

I enjoy watching him race. And as a disclaimer: I am a Kimmi fan!


I am British, if you look back through my posts you'll discover that when McLaren took Perez on i thought it was a great idea, for them and for him, as i thought at the time that Perez had promise, I dont give a stuff whether he beats Button or not, unfortunately the "promise" i saw hasn't been delivered upon, although you're correct of course he does indeed have the "fire inside", sadly its where his racing brain should be and needs extinguishing.


#68 RaikkonenZn

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:18

He follows the Senna principle: If you are a racing driver you have to go after a gap that exist. He still needs to refine his craft, but I think that so far is very promising.


Senna principle? More like the Chicken principle - Get the F out of the way or I will crash into you!!

There is a fine line between aggressive and dangerous and when you're losing bodywork in most of your escapades I tend to think that its gone beyond aggressive. So far he has had issues with 4 WDCs - who I think we can safely say are fair racers with good defending and overtaking skills.

Have we seen Hamilton, Button, Alonso and Kimi crash often when racing and overtaking each other specifically?? Nope - because regardless if there is a gap sometimes discretion is the better part of valor!

Even if Sergio had the gap today - the speed and angle he was going into the chicane probably meant he would've cut the chicane. He should've pulled out but he didn't! When Kimi had the gap in China, Perez did the same thing Kimi did to him - in fact Kimi pulled out of the move when Perez closed the gap but Sergio cut directly in front of him and braked - causing Kimi to lock his wheels and thats why he crashed into him slightly losing bodywork! That is not racing - that is rubbish! Today the loss of bodywork could've been avoided if Perez used some sense!

Edited by RaikkonenZn, 26 May 2013 - 21:20.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:19

All that whining!!

They are racing. It's disappointing to see so many guys here crying because a driver is aggressive in the track. I get that some of you are british and don't like that Sergio is challenging Button.
But remember that Senna was criticized many times for "crashing too much" also. And if I remember correctly, he turned out to be a pretty good driver, right?

Sergio has been consistently improving. If he continues like that he may become a real prospect. None of the other "new guys" seem to have the "fire inside" like Checo does.

I enjoy watching him race. And as a disclaimer: I am a Kimmi fan!


speaking about stereotypes and have a cry about british people, funny. only because senna turned out to be very good doesn't make some of his overtakings legitimate or better the overtakings of Perez. apples and oranges..

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:23

or at least partially to blame...you can't do that and get away with it, the car on the inside has nowhere to go.
If you don't want perez there CLOSE the gap before the braking starts

You don't have to necessarily close the gap, if you know that diving into the inside any later would mean you won't make the corner. That's why drivers sometimes boldly take the outside line even though there is a car behind. A sensible driver knows if the gap is enough to make the move stick or not. He already tried once and that's exactly what happened, Perez forced both of them off the track. Yeah may be, with idiots like Perez behind you, you don't risk and expect that kind of estimation from them, Kimi should have taken the inside line long before.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:37

Another issue is those f*****g front wings, they are too wide, too sharp. Each little touch results in a puncture.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:39

What everyone should ask is why Perez wasn't penalized, and why Mclaren got benefited by stewards.

I am seeing in Perez a new Grosjean.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:46

Personally, I reckoned Kimi should have let him bye earlier. Then he would have taken Hamilton out for him and Kimi would have been 4th.


:lol:

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:52

Did we see any other driver other than Perez diving in after the tunnel forcing the other driver to yield or crash? I mean many drivers had the opportunity to do so as the race pace was slow and the gaps were very small during the whole race. It looked like Perez was desperate to show he can be aggressive and look how that ended for him and more importantly he took out a championship contender and cost him 9 points.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:55

What everyone should ask is why Perez wasn't penalized, and why Mclaren got benefited by stewards.

I am seeing in Perez a new Grosjean.

but there was quite a difference between the GRO incidents and the PER incidents today

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:57

Kimi looked and sounded fairly pissed in that vid, not like him to get like that.

Could be the start of a beautiful relationship with him and Checo.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 21:57

The discussion about the incident is already taking place in the thread for the subject (here). This is simply rehashing all those arguments. Thread closed.

If someone can pick through the racism, xenophobia, crowing and bashing to point me at anything that's particularly original about this discussion over the other, I will reopen it.