Now Current: Class A: Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Rosberg and Kimi.
Edited by George Costanza, 31 May 2013 - 00:58.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 00:58
Edited by George Costanza, 31 May 2013 - 00:58.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:17
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:15
Would like to see this sort of thread make it without pointless mudslinging and driver versus driver chatter. Could we keep this one clean for once, guys?
The tier system gets a from me, as I think it is the only logical way to go because many of these guys are too close to call in terms of their ability. My personal rankings, off the top of my head and without any meaningful consideration:
Tier S (proven talents who are the primary win-collectors)
Alonso
Hamilton
Raikkonen
Rosberg
Vettel
Tier A (drivers who have shown they can threaten for the win if the conditions are right but otherwise consistently rack up points)
Button
Hulkenberg
Perez
Maldonado
Sutil
Webber
Tier B (mostly one-hit wonders; they punch above their weight every once in a while but are more often than not fairly ordinary)
di Resta
Grosjean
Massa
Ricciardo
Sutil
Vergne
Tier C (either unproven or unimpressive--I'm aware most of these guys are in horrible cars, hence the 'unproven' tag)
Bianchi
Chilton
Gutierrez
Pic
van der Garde
I believe that F1's driver market is a self-regulating force and that the best drivers end up in the best cars, eventually, with only a few exceptions, so for the most part I believe everyone is in a position that matches their worth as a driver at the moment.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:35
Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:06
You think he might be a bit flattered by a single unlikely victory?Tier A (drivers who have shown they can threaten for the win if the conditions are right but otherwise consistently rack up points)
Button
Hulkenberg
Perez
Maldonado
Sutil
Webber
Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:13
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:19
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves.
webber > rosberg, when it comes to raw pace.
Hamilton fans need to stop trying to talk up rosberg, lewis will come good once he's settled in properly, don't worry.
Whoa now, I did say I didn't put a whole lot of thought into it. I think Rosberg's done better than both Webber and Button this year, hence his placement in the uppermost tier. I also thought Maldonado did pretty well last year (e.g. 3rd in Singapore qualifying).You think he might be a bit flattered by a single unlikely victory?
Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:20
Let's not get too ahead of ourselves.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:24
Probably a combination of both.Are we talking about one lap or a full race distance?
Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:56
3 poles in a row and beating Hamilton is more than enough for me to say the guy is pretty fast
Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:06
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:39
LH is off form, even Button would beat him.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:50
I'm tired of these all drivers classifications.
"Rank the drivers in outright pace and speed". Where should I put Webber, if I think he can be as fast as anyone during a single event but can't mantain his speed during the season? How can I rank fairly and properly drivers who only had unknown quality team-mates during their F1 careers?
Ok, for fun it might be. But I doubt anyone knows enough to rank them all.
Edited by gillesthegenius, 31 May 2013 - 04:53.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:24
Not really. Not everything is as sophisticated as this IMO. When the problem is not as complex as this, one may have enough knowledge to make a good point IMO.That's probably true for every discussion we have about f1 in this forum.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:38
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:26
3 poles in a row and beating Hamilton is more than enough for me to say the guy is pretty fast
Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:41
Jesus Christ.I don't believe one can compare across eras - but it is fun to do, so not telling anyone not to. But I'll stick with current:
Vettel/Raikkonen
Hamilton/Rosberg
Webber/Grosjean/Hulkenberg
Alonso/Perez
Maldonado
This is ever evolving...
Edited by Kingshark, 31 May 2013 - 06:42.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:47
Mario Andretti is special because he won in all kinds of cars at a time when most drivers were already specializing in one series.
Jack Brabham is unique because he won races with his own car in his own team.
Jochen Rindt was outstanding because he dominated for years f1 peers in identical f2 machinery.
Prost holds the record on the turbo beasts and outscored five WDC team-mates.
Peterson and G. Villeneuve were widely noted for their sheer speed.
Alan Jones took **** from nobody.
Bellof was frightening quick in sportscars.
There were so many fine drivers over the years, this masturbating over the usual three, four suspects is kind of fatiguing.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:53
Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:59
Jesus Christ.
Alonso is 3 tiers below Raikkonen and Vettel in speed, and even slower than Webber and Grosjean.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:16
I don't believe one can compare across eras - but it is fun to do, so not telling anyone not to. But I'll stick with current:
Vettel/Raikkonen
Hamilton/Rosberg
Webber/Grosjean/Hulkenberg
Alonso/Perez
Maldonado
This is ever evolving...
Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:37
LH is off form, even Button would beat him.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:39
All Time
One Lap: Ayrton
Full race: Fangio, Clark, A. Senna, M. Schumacher
Current (Pirelli era)
One Lap: Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso. (May add Rosberg in the future if he keeps matching Lewis over the season)
Full Race: Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 07:59
Jesus Christ.
Alonso is 3 tiers below Raikkonen and Vettel in speed, and even slower than Webber and Grosjean.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:17
Chaos tier:
Maldonado
Perez
Grosjean
Posted 31 May 2013 - 08:58
Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:05
Rosberg beating Hamilton:Class A: Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso
Class B: Button, Webber, Rosberg, Raikko, Massa
Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:15
Its a crime not to add Alain's name in the race pace category. His race pace and race craft were outstanding. What he lacked to Ayrton in qualifying he gained back with his race pace.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:17
It easy, he should be in class S then.So how unimpressive exactly is Bottas....
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:30
Epic fail.Taste of your own medicine, does it taste foul....
Edited by Kingshark, 31 May 2013 - 09:33.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:35
I don't believe one can compare across eras - but it is fun to do, so not telling anyone not to. But I'll stick with current:
Vettel/Raikkonen
Hamilton/Rosberg
Webber/Grosjean/Hulkenberg
Alonso/Perez
Maldonado
This is ever evolving...
Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:41
All Time
One Lap: Ayrton
Full race: Fangio, Clark, A. Senna, M. Schumacher
Current (Pirelli era)
One Lap: Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso. (May add Rosberg in the future if he keeps matching Lewis over the season)
Full Race: Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen.
Edited by ArkZ, 31 May 2013 - 09:47.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:45
Rosberg beating Hamilton:
Hamilton still being class A, Rosberg class B.
wow, these ******** Hamilton fans. Hamilton is overrated, or Rosberg underrated. So far Rosberg looks way better than Hamilton.
Raikkonen class B is silly as well. Then Alonso would have 150 pts in that Lotus.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:50
Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:10
Well in the first 3 races we had "Lewis is gong to destroy Nico", after 3 more we have "Nico is going to destroy Lewis" so you can see the pattern. The fact is that both of them are doing a very good job and after Rosberg follows the 4 you mention.Because, you know, 3-3 in qualifying and being behind in the points against someone who's just joined the new team you're at for a fourth year constitutes "way better" nowadays...
Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel and Raikkonen are the top tier now in my eyes, if pressed I'd rate Alonso and Hamilton above the other 2 but they're very hard to separate. If Nico can keep this early form up he'll certainly be knocking on the door of the top tier.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:25
Hugely subjective and constantly changing ranking due to form, perception, etc.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:26
The key thing for Rosberg being ahead of Hamilton is tyres, Hamilton never was easy on them in his whole career, and this year especially it is crucial.
Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:32
That's a bit of a myth.
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