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#1 SamH123

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 14:46

The forecast is different wherever you look. It should be a very interesting weekend as it seems like we have a different pecking order for qualifying and the race nowadays.

Predictions?

My grid would be
HAM
VET
ROS
ALO
WEB
RAI

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#2 Mc_Silver

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 15:02

QUAL:
HAM
ROS
ALO
VET
RAI
WEB

RACE:
ALO
VET
RAI
WEB
HAM
ROS


#3 Trust

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 15:11

I know the weather can't be predictable right now, but it seems we're in for a shower for qualifying. That could hurt Lotus, especially Kimi. He can't afford to miss Q3. Here's hoping that both Kimi and Alonso finish in front of Vettel to make the championship more interesting.



#4 Kelateboy

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 17:08

I know the weather can't be predictable right now, but it seems we're in for a shower for qualifying. That could hurt Lotus, especially Kimi. He can't afford to miss Q3. Here's hoping that both Kimi and Alonso finish in front of Vettel to make the championship more interesting.

A shower in the qualifying will play into RBR's hands. But my weather forecast shows a dry weekend.

#5 SpaMaster

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 18:15

I don't know how some of you predict weather so confidently a week ahead for a one-hour qualy session. It's not like Montreal is gearing up for a hurricane coming weekend. The shower chances are slim and that is given roughly for the day. To pin point that to one particular hour in the afternoon would be quite a task.

#6 P123

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 18:27

If Mercedes maintain their quali form then Rosberg looks good for his 4th pole in a row. I know this is a track that LH excels on, but overlooked in all of that is the fact that Rosberg has never qualified outside of the top 10 in Montreal, and outqualified Schumacher (the Montreal master) in their 3 visits there as teammates.

#7 DaddyCool

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 18:38

Obligatory 'which compounds will Pirelli bring here?' comment.

#8 EthanM

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 18:43

Obligatory 'which compounds will Pirelli bring here?' comment.


Super Soft and Medium, current steel belt construction for the race, updated Kevlar belt construction available for FP1

#9 TheThirdTenor1

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 18:44

Weather forecast sites are all predicting different things. Seems there is some chance of rain but we will have a better idea by Wednesday/Thursday. I hope it stays dry - Canada is one of the few races that doesn't need rain to keep it interesting.

Red Bull should be strong here with their good traction. Ferrari have gone well here for the last 3 years and are stronger on low downforce tracks. Not sure about Lotus, but as usual they could make 1 stop less than the others (as Grosjean did last year). I think Mercedes will be back to their Barcelona/Bahrain form.

I think it will be 2 stops for most (OPP) because we are using the super soft, overtaking is quite straight forward and the pit lane here is short and cuts the final and first corner. However, as i said above, Lotus may be able to stop less than the others.



#10 Trust

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 18:58

I don't know how some of you predict weather so confidently a week ahead for a one-hour qualy session. It's not like Montreal is gearing up for a hurricane coming weekend. The shower chances are slim and that is given roughly for the day. To pin point that to one particular hour in the afternoon would be quite a task.

No one predicts nothing. And no one predicts something to fall just in one hour. I have a very reliable weather predictor and it says raining all day at Saturday which implies rain for qualifying. But I also hope it's wrong as it was wrong a few times.

#11 Sakae

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 19:21

Sebastian will be gunning for his first win at Montreal. He said that he likes the circuit.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 20:20

Super Soft and Medium, current steel belt construction for the race, updated Kevlar belt construction available for FP1

Super soft you say. Oh boy. :well:

#13 Skinnyguy

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:45

I think it will be 2 stops for most (OPP) because we are using the super soft, overtaking is quite straight forward and the pit lane here is short and cuts the final and first corner. However, as i said above, Lotus may be able to stop less than the others.


A short pitlane and easy passing encourages stopping more times, no less. 3 stops probably. People able to stop less times gets less benefit around this kind of places.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:46

tell that to perez and grosjean 2012.

#15 Skinnyguy

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:50

tell that to perez and grosjean 2012.


1) They´d have got more benefit out of it in any other layout had the race pace and gaps of every car been exactly the same. Maths, not interpretation.
2) They got more people than they´d have got normally only because they failed on their strategy trying to do something and then having to rectify ala Vettel in Spain 2013.

Magny Cours and Canada encourage more stopping.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:52

Super Soft and Medium, current steel belt construction for the race, updated Kevlar belt construction available for FP1

Time Pirelli brought out a Super Hard IMHO. :rolleyes:

#17 Longtimefan

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 22:56

I think for qually I'd put:-

1: Ham
2: Vet
3: Ros

Ham is very strong at Canada so I'll have him for pole, tbh I don't see Rosberg pipping him but if he can beat him here, I think he can beat him anywhere.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 23:16

No one predicts nothing. And no one predicts something to fall just in one hour. I have a very reliable weather predictor and it says raining all day at Saturday which implies rain for qualifying. But I also hope it's wrong as it was wrong a few times.

And I just had a look at a quite reliable weather predictor (at least for all the races this year) that expects 0% chance of rain on Saturdays :D

Edited by scheivlak, 02 June 2013 - 23:16.


#19 EthanM

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 23:20

The Canadian Meteorological Service puts it at 70% chance of showers on Friday and 60% for Saturday.

Obviously nothing is accurate that far ahead

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#20 Rybo

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 23:54

Big litmus test for merc. Have a feeling this will make for an interesting fp1 assuming a dry weekend.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 01:17

If Mercedes maintain their quali form then Rosberg looks good for his 4th pole in a row. I know this is a track that LH excels on, but overlooked in all of that is the fact that Rosberg has never qualified outside of the top 10 in Montreal, and outqualified Schumacher (the Montreal master) in their 3 visits there as teammates.


Agreed. Far too much is made of certain drivers owning certain tracks. China was picked out as Rosberg's best circuit yet in six grand prix it's the only track so far where Hamilton looked genuinely faster throughout qualifying.

Rosberg is the man on form and has to be favourite for pole alongside Vettel.

#22 ViMaMo

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 01:27

Hearing Super soft makes me sick. :|

#23 Kelateboy

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 04:42

Agreed. Far too much is made of certain drivers owning certain tracks. China was picked out as Rosberg's best circuit yet in six grand prix it's the only track so far where Hamilton looked genuinely faster throughout qualifying.

Rosberg is the man on form and has to be favourite for pole alongside Vettel.

and Hamilton, methinks.

#24 Sakae

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 07:38

Agreed. Far too much is made of certain drivers owning certain tracks. China was picked out as Rosberg's best circuit yet in six grand prix it's the only track so far where Hamilton looked genuinely faster throughout qualifying.

Rosberg is the man on form and has to be favourite for pole alongside Vettel.

With respect to expected race result, this is very unpredictable situation at the moment, since no one knows with any certainty who has adopted their car most successfully to tires. I fear that we have no less than eight candidates for the victory and podium, which is very confusing for fans (like me). I would be content with less, say three or four, but that's not on.

#25 slmk

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:01

Agreed. Far too much is made of certain drivers owning certain tracks. China was picked out as Rosberg's best circuit yet in six grand prix it's the only track so far where Hamilton looked genuinely faster throughout qualifying.

Rosberg is the man on form and has to be favourite for pole alongside Vettel.


3 poles, 3 wins in 5 races and 2 non-finishes. So far, when Lewis finishes in Canada, he wins. You can't get more dominating than that.

Lewis looked faster than Rosberg when it mattered in Australia and Malaysia.

#26 EvanRainer

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:55

3 poles, 3 wins in 5 races and 2 non-finishes. So far, when Lewis finishes in Canada, he wins. You can't get more dominating than that.


It needs to be noted here though, it's the Lewis-McLaren package that was dominant. Let's wait and see what happens his first trip here with a different car. Not disputing he is good on this track but the track always suited the Macca as well.

Of course, with Merc's current form and...advantages, one would expect them to be favourites for pole again anyway. I'd say if Hamilton outqualifies Rosberg by a comfortable margin, it will solidify him as a Montreal expert.


#27 Crossmax

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:57

I think we will have a Merc front row lockout, possibly with Hamilton on pole. For the race, I would say Alonso or Kimi for the win, with Vettel possibly taking the last podium position.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:49

Super soft and medium may play into ferrari's and lotus's hands. In terms of championship, I hope both Alonso and Kimi can finish ahead of vettel.
It's also going to be interesting whether or not mercedes have solved their tyre issue...

GRID:
ROS
VET
HAM
ALO
RAI
WEB

RACE:
ALO
RAI
HAM
VET
WEB
ROS
GRO

Edited by Radion, 03 June 2013 - 11:51.


#29 rko281

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:56

Many of you don't place a Mercedes on the podium, but I've got the feeling that they will be up there (don't know if they completely solved the tyres issue, but we'll see a great improvement).

Also, the Mclarens won't be that bad there.









#30 Alfisti

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:09

Scored a paddock pass for Saturday, gonna dress like a douche and make the most of it. Not sure i will be allowed in as i am the last man alive that refuses to wear oversized sunnies and sticks with old school Ray Bans that cove rmy eyes, not my entire face.

#31 aray

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:11

my prediction:
Merc front row
Alonso win

#32 Owen

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:19

my prediction:
Merc front row
Alonso win

yep ^ that.
And good points for McLaren (but that's more of a hope than a prediction).

#33 Kelateboy

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:25

Qualifying.
1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Rosberg

Race
1. Vettel
2. Raikkonen
3. Alonso

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:30

Walked the track about 10 days ago and can report that tarmac has been added to the exit of T8.

http://instagram.com/p/Zi34IWp5dr/



#35 EthanM

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:33

Walked the track about 10 days ago and can report that tarmac has been added to the exit of T8.

http://instagram.com/p/Zi34IWp5dr/


hope it had time to cure this time and you wont get the cars lifting whole chunks of it every time they break

#36 dau

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:37

Scored a paddock pass for Saturday, gonna dress like a douche and make the most of it. Not sure i will be allowed in as i am the last man alive that refuses to wear oversized sunnies and sticks with old school Ray Bans that cove rmy eyes, not my entire face.

Don't forget to tell everyone you had them before they were cool. :p

#37 EthanM

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:43

Scored a paddock pass for Saturday, gonna dress like a douche and make the most of it. Not sure i will be allowed in as i am the last man alive that refuses to wear oversized sunnies and sticks with old school Ray Bans that cove rmy eyes, not my entire face.


irrelevant but somebody else might care, there's an Open Day on Thursday with pitlane access at 9 a.m. You can watch the teams prepare the cars, and usually some people from the teams come and talk briefly to the fans

#38 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 13:53

Walked the track about 10 days ago and can report that tarmac has been added to the exit of T8.

http://instagram.com/p/Zi34IWp5dr/


So another area on the calendar where cars can just drive across without any real time penalty/damage. Then again they'll probably say "ah but if they go across tarmac, they can't drag grass/gravel/mud/general debris across the track now"

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 14:31

Walked the track about 10 days ago and can report that tarmac has been added to the exit of T8.

http://instagram.com/p/Zi34IWp5dr/


:cry:

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 14:32

Walked the track about 10 days ago and can report that tarmac has been added to the exit of T8.

http://instagram.com/p/Zi34IWp5dr/

FIA is ruining all these classic tracks. In a few years time all tracks will look like indoor go kart tracks. :rolleyes:

#41 TheThirdTenor1

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 14:40

A short pitlane and easy passing encourages stopping more times, no less. 3 stops probably. People able to stop less times gets less benefit around this kind of places.


This is a low deg track. The tyres do not have much forces being put through them because there are not many long/fast corners. Tyre wear is high, but the Pirelli's deal quite well with tyre wear. Because of that, i don't think it would pay off to stop 3 times, unless you are really overheating your rears.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 15:16

FIA is ruining all these classic tracks. In a few years time all tracks will look like indoor go kart tracks. :rolleyes:


They did the right thing to pave that run-off area. There was a service road that cut across there and cars would become slightly airborne.


#43 SamH123

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 15:42

This is a low deg track. The tyres do not have much forces being put through them because there are not many long/fast corners. Tyre wear is high, but the Pirelli's deal quite well with tyre wear. Because of that, i don't think it would pay off to stop 3 times, unless you are really overheating your rears.


Australia is low deg as well right? In retrospect it seems surprising that Lotus seemed to enjoy their biggest tyre advantage in Aus, or is Lotus more about the low wear than low deg?

I get confused about this!

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 16:38

Lewis for the pole and the win here, got a feeling the tyre issue won't be that bad and the DRS here makes it easy to overtake.

#45 Alfisti

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 16:43

Mercedes better struggle with tyres here or the other teams are going to be in absolute uproar ... and rightfully so.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 16:49

Mercedes better struggle with tyres here or the other teams are going to be in absolute uproar ... and rightfully so.


Mercedes to do 1 stop and pit on the last lap for Medium tyres....

#47 Topsu

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 17:00

Mercedes will be back in Barcelona spec tyrewise. Monaco was a gift from the sky to them.

Edited by Topsu, 03 June 2013 - 17:00.


#48 Skinnyguy

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 17:12

This is a low deg track.


True. I still remember races in early 2000´s where drivers would even keep the old front tyres in a pitstop and do two stints on them.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 20:17

Looking very, very much forward to this one! (sadly wont be able to see anything live.)
I think it's very timely for Hamilton, 'cause he needs a GP-weekend where he has the upper hand now, and I think there's a very good chance he'll enjoy that this weekend. I think Mercedes should have a good weekend here, more in line with where they were before the plummeting in Barcelona, so as always a good qualifying and a solid race with good points.

Intriguing battle going on between Force India and McLaren, but perhaps McLaren should nip this one, as their updates are expected to be more effective on this track. Then again I don't know, perhaps Force India are bringing updates as well? Anyway, it's been something in their cars DNA which has made them very competitive here.

Hoping for a good weekend for Alonso and Räikkönen, so as to not let Vettel get away even more, and I think there's a good chance of an Alonso-win.

Edited by race addicted, 03 June 2013 - 20:18.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 20:48

why alonso spun it in turn 2 canada 2008 and crashed into the wall ?just watched it