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#51 scheivlak

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:04

why alonso spun it in turn 2 canada 2008 and crashed into the wall ?just watched it

Driver error, according to Alonso himself http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/68135

He tried too hard to get still some result after he and his team realised that they were on the wrong strategy.

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#52 HaydenFan

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:04

Scored a paddock pass for Saturday, gonna dress like a douche and make the most of it. Not sure i will be allowed in as i am the last man alive that refuses to wear oversized sunnies and sticks with old school Ray Bans that cove rmy eyes, not my entire face.


Old school, wayfarer Ray Ban's are the best. You'll fit in. The big sunglasses are only for the drivers.

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#53 TheThirdTenor1

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:12

why alonso spun it in turn 2 canada 2008 and crashed into the wall ?just watched it


Don't think it was turn 2. But anyway, was a simple driving error.

#54 HaydenFan

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:17

Don't think it was turn 2. But anyway, was a simple driving error.


It was Turn 2.



#55 ApexMouse

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:26

Thats turn like turn... 7. Or maybe 8.

COME ON PEOPLE!

#56 HaydenFan

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:30

Thats turn like turn... 7. Or maybe 8.

COME ON PEOPLE!


Was 7. You're right.

#57 ApexMouse

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:36

:p

#58 Zava

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:42

that was nice with the hungarian commentators:

the one which says "hheeeeeeee aaaahhh, [meg choo sott]... Alonso :cry: " (means: heee aah, Alonso slipped :cry: ) is well known for being an Alonso fanboy (the other guy once said about him that he has a picture of Alonso in his wallet, not sure if true but I can definitely imagine it :D in abu dhabi '10, on live TV, he was hoping that Vettel/Rosberg/Petrov/anyone in front of Alonso has a DNF so Alonso can be champion, and counting the possibilities of who has to suffer a DNF etc.) so that made his reaction even more funny :)

Edited by Zava, 03 June 2013 - 21:45.


#59 SpartanChas

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:44

It all depends on who had a secret tyre test in Monaco after the race.

Moneys on Lewis for pole, kimi for the win. McLaren on the podium.

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#60 HaydenFan

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:57

It all depends on who had a secret tyre test in Monaco after the race.

Moneys on Lewis for pole, kimi for the win. McLaren on the podium.


Anyone predict Grosjean to podium again this year?

McLaren has always seemed to do very well here so, as seen by Hamilton's and Button's stranglehold on the circuit in wins since the return to the schedule. Unless something changes in the week off, I don't see Mercedes being beaten in qualifying either, but I see Rosberg again on top. This car just seems to suit him more than Hamilton. But I see Hamilton taking the win. It might be McLaren who has the success as a team on the circuit, but at the end of the day it was the driver taking the car to the win.

Podium will consist of:
Hamilton
Vettel
Rosberg

But if this race is anything like last year, it'll be an extremely close race.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 22:12

that was nice with the hungarian commentators:

the one which says "hheeeeeeee aaaahhh, [meg choo sott]... Alonso :cry: " (means: heee aah, Alonso slipped :cry: ) is well known for being an Alonso fanboy (the other guy once said about him that he has a picture of Alonso in his wallet, not sure if true but I can definitely imagine it :D in abu dhabi '10, on live TV, he was hoping that Vettel/Rosberg/Petrov/anyone in front of Alonso has a DNF so Alonso can be champion, and counting the possibilities of who has to suffer a DNF etc.) so that made his reaction even more funny :)

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#62 Skinnyguy

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 22:23

...hungarian commentators.


I don´t understand a word but that Palik guy is SO fun to listen to! :lol:



He´s a weird guy, sometimes makes weird random voice modulations as if he tried to be seductive or something like that. I think he´s nuts.

#63 V3TT3L

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:23

From Kimi's Renault engine tecnician:

Ricardo Penteado ‏@RicoF1
Cold in P1, bit hotter P2, rain for Q with strong tail wind and "hi temps" for R!!! #montrealgp is looking tricky! ❤ pic.twitter.com/dYsz3lft7u

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#64 Alex79

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:15

As most here, I think both merc's will rule qualifying. Probably Rosberg as he can get more out of the car in one lap. Now that there are more passing opportunities, I think Hamilton will be better in the race.

Grid:
1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Raikkonen

Top 5 Race:
1. Hamilton
2. Raikkonen
3. Vettel
4. Rosberg
5. Alonso

#65 Kelateboy

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:16

This is a low deg track. The tyres do not have much forces being put through them because there are not many long/fast corners. Tyre wear is high, but the Pirelli's deal quite well with tyre wear. Because of that, i don't think it would pay off to stop 3 times, unless you are really overheating your rears.

The majority will go for 2 stops; some will try 3 stops. A 1-stopper like last year is probably out of the question with the cheesy supersofts.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:21

Castrol experts - only one has Vettel in race-P1, and I cannot blame them as I have no idea how RB strategy will pan out.

This Chandhok "expert" must really carry some bad memories on Sebastian, because his votes in Vettel's favor (15% accuracy insofar, lowest) are not very flattering. :rotfl:

Edited by Sakae, 04 June 2013 - 08:22.


#67 1Devil1

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:36

Quali

Rosberg
Vettel
Hamilton
Alonso
Webber

Race

Vettel
Alonso
Webber
Rosberg
Sutil :cool:
Hamilton

#68 slmk

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:07

Can't believe how many people are discounting Lewis at his best track...

#69 1Devil1

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:22

Can't believe how many people are discounting Lewis at his best track...


Discounting? Rosberg got poles three times in a row, it's said Hamilton has problems with his brakes and Mercedes will likely struggle big time in the race again. So I don't know why my prediction is unrealistic - it's a personal prediction based on the facts from the last races. It could be completely different, and Hamilton could be on pole, and I would go that far to say, even by taking his brakes problems into account, he will not qualify worse than third.. What's does discounting mean, any prediction putting Hamilton not on pole and a race win?

#70 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:37

Ian Fergusson @fergieweather
#F1 #MONTREAL #BBCF1 Rain amounts on Saturday for quali looking troubling. Hoping forecast models move away from current soaking prognosis!!

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:49

Ian Fergusson @fergieweather
#F1 #MONTREAL #BBCF1 Rain amounts on Saturday for quali looking troubling. Hoping forecast models move away from current soaking prognosis!!


I'm sick of this rain affected weekends this season.
Australia wet/dry Q
Malaysia wet/dry Q, wet/dry race
Spain wet/dry FP
Monaco wet/dry Q

I'm Ok if it's full dry or full wet. Hoping for sunny weather for whole GP weekend.

Edited by ArkZ, 04 June 2013 - 10:50.


#72 rasul

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:55

Some Canadian Grand Prix stats:

Vettel: In 4 GPs, 1 podium, 0 DNFs
Alonso: In 10 GPs, 2 podiums, 5 DNFs
Kimi: In 9 GPs, 2 podiums, 1 DNF
Lewis: In 5 GPs, 3 podiums(wins), 2 DNFs


Lewis's stats in Canada are very impressive, while Alonso's quite depressing. Vettel is the only one who has always finished in the points in Montreal, even when he was driving STR, but he's also the only one from Top 4 who hasn't won the race yet.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:56

37 years ago James Hunt punched a track marshall in Mosport - CANADA.

Will Kimi, aka James Punch, do the same with some F1 character this weekend ?
It would be a nice movie promotion :p

http://www.roadandtr...s-mosport-punch

#74 chrisblades85

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:57

I'm sick of this rain affected weekends this season.
Australia wet/dry Q
Malaysia wet/dry Q, wet/dry race
Spain wet/dry FP
Monaco wet/dry Q

I'm Ok if it's full dry or full wet. Hoping for sunny weather for whole GP weekend.


Bernie can do many things. But telling the weather what to do isn't one of them. :rolleyes:

#75 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:03

Worth noting that if Friday is wet (most definitely possible by the sounds of it), then they don't get the 2 extra sets of the new tyres.

#76 ArkZ

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:07

Some Canadian Grand Prix stats:

Vettel: In 4 GPs, 1 podium, 0 DNFs
Alonso: In 10 GPs, 2 podiums, 5 DNFs
Kimi: In 9 GPs, 2 podiums, 1 DNF
Lewis: In 5 GPs, 3 podiums(wins), 2 DNFs


Lewis's stats in Canada are very impressive, while Alonso's quite depressing. Vettel is the only one who has always finished in the points in Montreal, even when he was driving STR, but he's also the only one from Top 4 who hasn't won the race yet.



Hamilton in Canada is like "I will win it or I won't finish it".

Edited by ArkZ, 04 June 2013 - 11:08.


#77 Cavani

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:48

37 years ago James Hunt punched a track marshall in Mosport - CANADA.

Will Kimi, aka James Punch, do the same with some F1 character this weekend ?
It would be a nice movie promotion :p

http://www.roadandtr...s-mosport-punch


how did he punch him like that and 30 seconds later he is apologizing ,must have been out of his mind

#78 Owen

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:58

'The most open race of the year'
http://www.jamesalle...ce-of-the-year/

#79 EthanM

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 13:24

Worth noting that if Friday is wet (most definitely possible by the sounds of it), then they don't get the 2 extra sets of the new tyres.


The current Canadian forecast is for rain to move more towards Saturday and Sunday than Friday.

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#80 Alfisti

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 13:43

Some Canadian Grand Prix stats:

Vettel: In 4 GPs, 1 podium, 0 DNFs
Alonso: In 10 GPs, 2 podiums, 5 DNFs
Kimi: In 9 GPs, 2 podiums, 1 DNF
Lewis: In 5 GPs, 3 podiums(wins), 2 DNFs


No real surprises there, for all it's might the Red Bull is sluggish in a straight line, even trimmed out. At the same time the McLaren Mercs have been relentlessly in the top two or three in the speed traps.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 14:08

No real surprises there, for all it's might the Red Bull is sluggish in a straight line, even trimmed out. At the same time the McLaren Mercs have been relentlessly in the top two or three in the speed traps.


True, though I think their barren spell in Canada is partly just bad luck. In 2010 they managed to qualify 2nd and 3rd on the prime tyre which put them in a great position for the race, but the early stoppers didn't get caught in traffic as expected. Vettel was on pole in both 2011 and 2012 too, and was half a lap away from the win in the first of those.

Your photos are great by the way, especially the Abstract section.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 15:06

'The most open race of the year'
http://www.jamesalle...ce-of-the-year/


Maybe, but if the secret test by Merc is as good as people are saying. Its going to be a race for 3rd and below.

#83 ApexMouse

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 16:04

Two DRS zones this year. Same as 2011.

#84 Owen

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 17:05

Two DRS zones this year. Same as 2011.

James Allen says one.

#85 ApexMouse

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 17:55

He's wrong.

http://www.espn.co.u...html?CMP=chrome

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 18:21

Says two on the FIA map, but to be fair, JA's article may have been published before the FIA site updated the track map. I checked the FIA site a few days ago and it was listed as one, now they have updated it to two DRS zones.

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#87 Kelateboy

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:22

Says two on the FIA map, but to be fair, JA's article may have been published before the FIA site updated the track map. I checked the FIA site a few days ago and it was listed as one, now they have updated it to two DRS zones.

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The DRS zones are slightly shorter than 2011, right?

#88 mattferg

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:43

Mercedes to do 1 stop and pit on the last lap for Medium tyres....


Mercedes don't even do a pitstop and get a whole lap penalty, but still win as they were 5 laps ahead of the rest of the field anyways xD

#89 Kelateboy

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:56

Mercedes don't even do a pitstop and get a whole lap penalty, but still win as they were 5 laps ahead of the rest of the field anyways xD

And then they got hit with 151C of ISC. :)

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 02:07

Anthony Davidson's lap of the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

The Circuit Gilles Villeneuve is 4.3km long, has 14 corners, and a lap record held by Rubens Barrichello of 1:13.622. And now it's your turn to tackle a lap of the circuit with Sky Sports F1's Anthony Davidson.....

Technically, the first corner at Montreal is a right-hand kink along the main straight. Although it's so slight that it doesn't require any thought in the car, it does require a driver to hug the inside line in order to put the car on the outside of the track for Turn One.

But doing that can sometimes open up an overtaking opportunity into Turn One itself because the car behind will know that, so long as the car in front goes to the right-hand side to pick the best braking line for Turn One, he can get himself on the inside line for Turn One and in position for a pass if he misses the apex of the kink.

It's a risky place to overtake, however, and one that is only realistic if the car in front has made a mistake coming out of the previous corner - but we have seen it in the past!

http://www1.skysport...lles-Villeneuve

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:36

Today it seems that rain is less likely for Q, but more likely for P1.

Could be difficult or impossible to test the new tires if it's wet, so those teams that are against them would have a reason to postpone their "agreement" for one more race.

Edit:
source (there are probably more reliable sources out there)
http://www.meteoblue...ntreal_ca_12439

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:43

Out of interest, what is the penalty if you don't use both tyre compounds in a dry race? Is it total exclusion, or a time penalty?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:45

Environment Canada (state meteorological service) are forecasting rain to play a part over the entire weekend
http://weather.gc.ca...7_metric_e.html


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:53

Hmm I don't like where this is going. Forecast updated to show constant rain Fri/Sat (was 60% chance of showers previously).
Can anyone say "Sunday qualifying"?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:56

Out of interest, what is the penalty if you don't use both tyre compounds in a dry race? Is it total exclusion, or a time penalty?

Exclusion from the race result.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:26

The DRS zones are slightly shorter than 2011, right?


Yes, according to various websites like the ESPN article posted in this thread.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:27

Hmm I don't like where this is going. Forecast updated to show constant rain Fri/Sat (was 60% chance of showers previously).
Can anyone say "Sunday qualifying"?


Depends how heavy it is more than anything. Constant light rain won't be a problem, but rain such as Japan quali in 2010 for example would be an issue.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 19:12

Can't believe how many people are discounting Lewis at his best track...

Well, before 2013 you could think that China is Rosberg's best track, but this year it was the track he was worse compared to Lewis than anywhere else.

Isn't Lewis supposed to have some issues with braking? Shouldn't it hurt him the most on circuit like Montreal?

I think sometimes people read too much from past performances.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 19:39

If Fridays practices are going to be a washout and we have dry qualy and race, then it's going to be an easy Kimi win a la Oz.

Edited by Trust, 05 June 2013 - 19:39.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 19:51

If Fridays practices are going to be a washout and we have dry qualy and race, then it's going to be an easy Kimi win a la Oz.

What makes you think so? I'm not so optimistic for Lotus tbh, but a second win for Kimi is vital in the upcoming races.