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#101 Trust

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 19:53

What makes you think so? I'm not so optimistic for Lotus tbh, but a second win for Kimi is vital in the upcoming races.

It's just my minor theory about Lotus and other teams this year. Contrary to last year, I think Lotus is better than others when the track is green and when others don't have time to find the right setup for tyres. Then, tyre managment is crucial. Something similarly happened at Australia, so we will see.

Edited by Trust, 05 June 2013 - 19:54.


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#102 rasul

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 19:57

If Fridays practices are going to be a washout and we have dry qualy and race, then it's going to be an easy Kimi win a la Oz.

Race might be dry, but Qualifying will likely be wet.

#103 Cavani

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 20:36

could have used all that wet weather in 2012 and 2013 for the several boring dry races in 2011 and before

#104 Kobasmashi

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:25

could have used all that wet weather in 2012 and 2013 for the several boring dry races in 2011 and before


Most of the dry races in 2011 were brilliant... Now if only we had some more rain in 2009, now there were some stinkers!

#105 Owen

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:04

'An enjoyable lottery' - BBC circuit preview
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/22787113

#106 Jovanotti

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:15

:up: A very basic, yet spectacular track that always makes for good racing and fans are looking forward to every season. Maybe Tilke should consider this when he does his next project - keep it simple rather than trying to press all types of corners in every circuit.

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#107 goingthedistance

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:21

Anyone got a link to the official Canadian weather service? I'm seeing a lot of contradictory stuff at the moment.

#108 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:37

Anyone got a link to the official Canadian weather service? I'm seeing a lot of contradictory stuff at the moment.


As am I. The only day that looks sort of certain based on what i can tell, is Sunday, and even that's not totally certain. Seeing a completely random mix of forecasts for Friday and Saturday though.

#109 cheesy poofs

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 11:33

http://weather.gc.ca...7_metric_e.html

#110 Seanspeed

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 11:46

Sorry if its been answered already, but it is supersofts and softs this weekend?

#111 grackle

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 11:48

As am I. The only day that looks sort of certain based on what i can tell, is Sunday, and even that's not totally certain. Seeing a completely random mix of forecasts for Friday and Saturday though.

Part of the problem predicting this weekend is that a hurricane (Andrea) is expected to travel up the east coast. It shouldn't effect Montreal directly but weather wanting to head east might get stacked up a bit against it. The best anyone can say at this point is that there will likely be at least some rain during practice days, less of a certainty during race itself.
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#112 rasul

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 11:50

Sorry if its been answered already, but it is supersofts and softs this weekend?

Super Soft and Medium.

#113 Seanspeed

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:02

Super Soft and Medium.

Ok thanks. :up:

I'm thinking a 2-stop might be standard. Supersofts just wont last long enough to pull off a 1-stop like last year. Mediums will probably last, but probably not very well over the large majority of a race distance.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:44

For CDN weather, use http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;a=Canada/QC/Montreal instead. Way more accurate, and more detailed as far as precipitation amounts.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:48

:up: A very basic, yet spectacular track that always makes for good racing and fans are looking forward to every season. Maybe Tilke should consider this when he does his next project - keep it simple rather than trying to press all types of corners in every circuit.


Exactly. Like the old A1-Ring too - short, simple, lots of laps and always great racing.

All the new circuits have 18 corners, laptime of 1m33, same average speed, and 56 laps - there's just no variety. Montreal is great because its unique.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 13:08

I really don't think they need ANY DRS zones for this circuit. It's always been one of the easiest circuits to overtake on. Some of the circuits really do need DRS to make overtaking possible in F1, but 2 in Montreal seems very excessive to me.

#117 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 13:26

I really don't think they need ANY DRS zones for this circuit. It's always been one of the easiest circuits to overtake on. Some of the circuits really do need DRS to make overtaking possible in F1, but 2 in Montreal seems very excessive to me.


Yup, especially with the whole 'if you're on 20 lap old tyres and ahead of someone on new tyres it's not even worth making an effort to keep them behind you' situation nowadays.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 14:09

Says two on the FIA map, but to be fair, JA's article may have been published before the FIA site updated the track map. I checked the FIA site a few days ago and it was listed as one, now they have updated it to two DRS zones.

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problem is that there is only 1 detection point again

#119 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 14:13

problem is that there is only 1 detection point again


Which with it being so pathetically easy to pass on the long straight, the 2nd zone just makes it nice and easy to pull away so they have no chance going into turn 1.

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#120 Juggles

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 14:25

Oh my god, there are actually two DRS zones!? How can there be so little common sense in the top echelons of the sport?

Edit - *tin foil hat on* it makes me wonder if the FIA (assuming they choose the DRS zones) is being heavily lobbied by one or more teams. Who do DRS zones benefit? A team with worse qualifying pace than race pace... *tin foil hat off*

Edited by Juggles, 06 June 2013 - 14:28.


#121 goingthedistance

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 14:32

For CDN weather, use http://weatherspark.com/#!dashboard;a=Canada/QC/Montreal instead. Way more accurate, and more detailed as far as precipitation amounts.


Thanks!

Weather tweet from Caterham:

Caterham F1 Team ‏@MyCaterhamF1 51m
Here's a weather update: Friday - not great (quite possibly rain)... Saturday - better (less possibility of rain).... Sunday - fine.

#122 Vesuvius

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 14:37

Thanks!

Weather tweet from Caterham:

Caterham F1 Team ‏@MyCaterhamF1 51m
Here's a weather update: Friday - not great (quite possibly rain)... Saturday - better (less possibility of rain).... Sunday - fine.


Sounds good, dry weather is what we need!:) althought would hope for dry friday as well because of tyre tests.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 15:17

Antoine Arlot ‏@antoinearlot 53m

Éric Boullier m'a expliqué hier que les pneus ne changeraient pas à Silverstone. Pirelli n'aura pas l'unanimité des 11écuries. #F1 #RMCsport


So it looks like no new tyres for the rest of the season if this guy on twitter is right.

#124 race addicted

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 15:32

Translation?

#125 artista

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 15:35

Translation?

Eric Boullier explained me yesterday that the tyres won't change in Silverstone. Pirelli won't have the unanimity from the 11 teams

#126 goingthedistance

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 15:36

Eric Boullier explained me yesterday that the tyres won't change in Silverstone. Pirelli won't have the unanimity from the 11 teams


I guess that's one way to neutralise any advantage Mercedes would have from running the new spec 2013 rears.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 15:40

I guess that's one way to neutralise any advantage Mercedes would have from running the new spec 2013 rears.


Lol, Red Bull must kinda be annoyed at this too.

Protesting against Mercedes ultimately leads to the tires remaining the same. :rotfl:

#128 goingthedistance

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 15:41

Lol, Red Bull must kinda be annoyed at this too.

Protesting against Mercedes ultimately leads to the tires remaining the same. :rotfl:


Yes, and Vettel is already griping before this bit of info has come through (presuming it turns out to be true):

Vettel also scoffed at Pirelli's decision to merely test proposed changes to the tyre design this weekend in Canada, because of the lack of unanimity up and down pitlane.
"The tread completely falls off," said the 25-year-old. "This is a safety risk for all of us.
"That we won't have these (revised) tyres for the race on a fast track like Canada, for me is inexplicable," added Vettel.

http://www.motorspor...over-tyre-gate/

#129 sopa

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 15:50

Merc for the front row. If tyres hold on, they can be on podium.
Ferrari has a shot at the win, for sure. But qualifies behind Merc.
Lotus depends on tyre management. On sheer pace they are not in top3, but see what Grosjean did last year. We'll see.
RBR - around places 2nd to 5th.
Force India - the dark horse. Always goes well in Can. Can qualify and race in top5.
McLaren - around their standard 6th to 10th this year. Could get higher if they get fortunate with strategy - see Perez in Sauber last year.
Other will be happy to get points.

#130 SpaMaster

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 16:06

Lol, Red Bull must kinda be annoyed at this too.

Protesting against Mercedes ultimately leads to the tires remaining the same. :rotfl:

My thought exactly. This tyre-testing saga has killed any hope of tyre change this season. Red Bull did initiate something that would most probably deny the one thing they wanted so strongly. Anyway, even if Red Bull did not protest Ferrari and someone else would have protested.

On the topic of weather: Looking at that weather site, it looks like the chances of rain for qualy or race are very slim. It looks like the rain is likely to happen in the morning the coming days and it clears off in afternoon.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 16:08

Eric Boullier explained me yesterday that the tyres won't change in Silverstone. Pirelli won't have the unanimity from the 11 teams


If Canada Friday is wet, even without the Mecedes test issue, teams may yet not have opted for the new tyres in Silverstone.



#132 Rybo

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 16:34

I guess that's one way to neutralise any advantage Mercedes would have from running the new spec 2013 rears.


They advantage that everyone thinks they got isn't so much understanding the tire itself, but how to set your car up for the tire.


On topic I wonder if we will see more tire conservation like in Monaco, or if someone will push from the get go like Alonso in Spain.


#133 cheesy poofs

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 19:42

Lots of fans today at the Open Doors event in Montreal.
And including this guy...

http://instagram.com/p/aOCHXfp5Xb/

#134 P123

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 20:44

My thought exactly. This tyre-testing saga has killed any hope of tyre change this season. Red Bull did initiate something that would most probably deny the one thing they wanted so strongly. Anyway, even if Red Bull did not protest Ferrari and someone else would have protested.

On the topic of weather: Looking at that weather site, it looks like the chances of rain for qualy or race are very slim. It looks like the rain is likely to happen in the morning the coming days and it clears off in afternoon.


Boullier doesn't want the tyres to change because at present Lotus runs very well on them. Same goes for Ferrari and force India. It's got sod all to do with a Mercedes test.

#135 rasul

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 20:55

My thought exactly. This tyre-testing saga has killed any hope of tyre change this season. Red Bull did initiate something that would most probably deny the one thing they wanted so strongly. Anyway, even if Red Bull did not protest Ferrari and someone else would have protested.

If someone crashes because of the tyres, they still might be changed on safety grounds.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 21:04

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I can't believe Williams is gonna use that wing again :rolleyes: It just doesn't work.

#137 g1n

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 21:06

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I can't believe Williams is gonna use that wing again :rolleyes: It just doesn't work.

How do you know this? maybe they should hire you.

#138 Kingshark

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 23:19

Ferrari had a bad race in Monaco, which means Canada should be a good race.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 02:21

Ferrari had a bad race in Monaco, which means Canada should be a good race.

Up, down, up, down, up, down, up....

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#140 ethirtyfour

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:18

Gearing up for miserable wet day tomorrow with the wife.
Awful traffic today in Montreal but the rain I guess didn't help.

Sunday is looking good.





#141 Tuxy

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:26

Yeh I just arrived at the hotel myself.

Rained the whole trip from Toronto to Montreal.



#142 Brother Fox

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:40

I used to look forward to a wet weekend (as long as you weren't attending) but now it fills me with dread.

Fingers crossed for as little as possible.



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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:55

Who else is looking forward to a 1 hour red flag and 20 laps behind the safety car? :clap:

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:rolleyes:

#144 eronrules

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:56

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I can't believe Williams is gonna use that wing again :rolleyes: It just doesn't work.


when the whole car doesn't work, what difference that wing is gonna make ??? :p

#145 jjcale

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:44

Who else is looking forward to a 1 hour red flag and 20 laps behind the safety car? :clap:

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:rolleyes:



That looks totally undriveable :p

#146 sportingcp

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:46

What is the weather prediction right now? Wet Qualifying?

#147 Owen

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 08:48

What is the weather prediction right now? Wet Qualifying?

Wet Friday, dry qualifying, wet race.
interesting.

#148 Jackmancer

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:34

Haha, this tweet by BadF1Stats:
Max Chilton's grid penalty is going to have a huge impact on his Canadian Grand Prix weekend

https://twitter.com/...936016493096960

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:34

wet friday, propably wet saturday, most likely dry race, is what Ferguson said in his preview. According to him there is just a 15% chance of rain for the race.

#150 Tuxy

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 10:22

It's drizzling right now, but I think it rained all last night.