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Giancarlo Minardi: Button to take a year out, Kimi to McLaren


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#51 garoidb

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 21:56

Come 2015, McLaren is going to need a true number one driver on the team. Button is not a number one driver unless a team is being fielded with two, number two drivers.

As far as availability goes, will any names of value be free then?


What is the length of Rosberg's contract with Mercedes?

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#52 Cavani

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 22:09

lotus should get rosberg , mclaren kimi and mercedes vettel while kubica is a return to redbull all in 2014 and 2015

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 22:09

Kimi in a McLaren powered by Honda is too good to be true.

To cap it off they should punt Perez and bring back Senna into F1.


Ahh the golden age......

HONDA

POWAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And Kimi just as he has done in a Lotus being the first driver to win a race in a car bearing the Lotus name since Aryton Senna at Detroit 1987 could repeat the feat with McLaren and be the first driver since Aryton Senna at Monza 1992 to win a race in a McLaren-Honda!

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 03 June 2013 - 22:12.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:32

Only in my wet dreams

#55 nomi

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:04

This is a good wind up by :rotfl:

#56 Oho

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:19

Quite frankly I don't think Räikkönen fancies taking a year to keep a seat warm for Button.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:56

Last weeks MWM had some interesting thoughts about Honda's return possibly pushing Button out. No mention of Kimi though.

Lotus money Qs would be plenty of reason for Raikkonen to look elsewhere, but Honda will want another Sato figure so Kimi seems unlikely to fit THAT one. Would Macca dump Mexican money and take Kimi back plus ?Kamui? in the second car.....?

Next week on As Bernie's World Turns:

#58 garoidb

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:59

Quite frankly I don't think Räikkönen fancies taking a year to keep a seat warm for Button.


Is it suggested that Button would have a guaranteed seat at McLaren to come back to? Maybe he would take a year out and then join another team or just see what his options are.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:47

Last weeks MWM had some interesting thoughts about Honda's return possibly pushing Button out. No mention of Kimi though.

Lotus money Qs would be plenty of reason for Raikkonen to look elsewhere, but Honda will want another Sato figure so Kimi seems unlikely to fit THAT one. Would Macca dump Mexican money and take Kimi back plus ?Kamui? in the second car.....?

Next week on As Bernie's World Turns:

No way Honda would dictate McLaren's driver choice. And there's no top japan driver anyway - Kamui is not McLaren material whatever.

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#60 SUPRAF1

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 07:57

I don't think Kimi would move. Didn't he say that he really enjoyed Lotus's lack of PR/sponsorship duties. Apparently McLaren have the most and I'm not sure if he'd be up for doing all of that again at his age.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:21

Jenson did an interview with either BBC or Sky quite recently about the McLaren Honda deal and I got the funniest feeling watching his body language and listening to him talking that it was as if he didn't expect to be around at the team when the Honda engines arrive. It was odd. Don't ask me to justify it because I can't. Just a gut feeling I got. As if he was struggling to get excited about the future because he isn't sure of the future. Maybe he's considering a crack at triathlon professionally?


I got that feeling too...I would be extremely surprised to see JB in a McLaren Honda and nor do I really want to see him in one either. Both these organisations have made a mess of giving him the equipment he deserves.

Personally I hope his lack of enthusiasm in this interview is a sign that he is talking to other teams. There are a few options for him. Webber is leaving RedBull. Grosjean is unlikely to have another season at Lotus and who knows what Kimi will do. Merc is probably out and I really hope he doesn't go to Ferrari.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:35

I'm sure there was an interview with Button last weekend, and he was asked about having a job for life at Mclaren and he dismissed it, and acted rather strange? or am I imagining things?


I am not sure if it's the interview you're thinking of but the question was put to him during the drivers' press conference before Monaco:
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/99782

Q: (Ian Parkes – Press Association) Jenson, when the Honda deal was announced, it naturally raised the question as to whether you might still be around in 2015, but Jonathan Neale (McLaren managing director) said you have a job for life. Can I ask how that makes you feel first of all, and secondly, when he says for life, how many more years do you think you might have left as a racing driver?

JBu: Did he say a job for life or a job as a racing driver for life?

Q: (Ian Parkes – Press Association) Job for life.

JBu: Ah, OK. I don't know what that means then. I don't know. I don't want to think about the future too much at the moment. I think that yeah, you've got to live for the moment and I don't think that trying to agree a lengthy deal for the future is something that is interesting at the moment for me. I'm 13 years in the sport, I want to have freedom and that feeling that if it doesn't feel right any more: stop. But I definitely don't feel that yet. It feels that it is going to be a long way down the road. For me, that freedom is important in the future.


Doesn't seem that enthusiastic, no, but then again the press conferences are generally awkward and stilted things all round and why commit to anything publicly before needing to?

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:45

Last weeks MWM had some interesting thoughts about Honda's return possibly pushing Button out. No mention of Kimi though.

Lotus money Qs would be plenty of reason for Raikkonen to look elsewhere, but Honda will want another Sato figure so Kimi seems unlikely to fit THAT one. Would Macca dump Mexican money and take Kimi back plus ?Kamui? in the second car.....?

Next week on As Bernie's World Turns:

http://www.independe...da-8620507.html

Managing director Jonathan Neale said: "Who knows who will be in the car in 2015. I've been laughing with Jenson about it."
"But Jenson will drive here as long as he wants to. He's a great guy who is doing a really good job in difficult times at the moment.
"He fits our values and our culture really well. It's a question of hoping he will still be here in 2015.
"But right now he is excited by the prospect of Honda as well."

In 2006 when Honda took over BAR and created the Honda team they dumped Sato (ended up in Super Aguri after being offered the role of a reserve driver) and replaced him with Barichello.

If they want drivers to test with Honda they have an armada of good test drivers to do it. Besides which most of the work (if not all) will be done in the simulator.

Missing a year does not make sense, the experience of a year racing with the turbo cars is invaluable for the next year, and he appears to be breaking his own records in triathlons/marathons/iron man races this year so I can't see any need for recuperation.

My gut feeling is that he still badly wants to get a podium at the British GP, his last tick on the to-do list, and he is going to use every oppertunity to get it.

Edit: Besides which if a contract is up for re-newal (2015+) its not in the drivers contractual interest to be seen to be "too easy to get"

Edited by WitnessX, 04 June 2013 - 08:51.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 09:02

Kamui is not McLaren material whatever

no doubt Checo is Posted Image

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 09:10

Jenson has been in F1 a long time. F1 is wearing from a personal point of view. Why wouldn't he want to take a sabbatical.

Many stranger things have happened in F1 and it wasn't long ago that Kimi was boasting of at least 2 offers for next season.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 09:12

If they want drivers to test with Honda they have an armada of good test drivers to do it. Besides which most of the work (if not all) will be done in the simulator.

It quite possible ran this past weekend in a HPD P2 chassis

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 09:14

No way Honda would dictate McLaren's driver choice. And there's no top japan driver anyway - Kamui is not McLaren material whatever.

I am not at all saying it will be Kamui, but I believe you will be proven wrong on Honda dictating drivers.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:00

I am not sure if it's the interview you're thinking of but the question was put to him during the drivers' press conference before Monaco:
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/99782



Doesn't seem that enthusiastic, no, but then again the press conferences are generally awkward and stilted things all round and why commit to anything publicly before needing to?

Yeah, that was it!

#69 Owen

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:28

I have to agree with some others on here that the next two years do look very unsettled and 'transitional' for McLaren.
Maybe these next two years are very significant; as JB may only have 2 or 3 top flight F1 years left in him.
Perhaps he's found himself at a crossroads and is pondering his next move. I suspect it's nothing more than that.
But from McLaren's point of view they need a plan B if he's not around...

#70 tkulla

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:50

Something is up with Button, I think, but this rumor makes little sense. If I had to bet I'd say the only thing that could lure Jenson from McLaren is Webber's Red Bull seat. I think JB enjoyed playing the underdog to Lewis and walking into Vettel's nest and taking him on sounds like just the right kind of challenge to get him excited. And I wouldn't be shocked to see him pull it off, either - that planted Red Bull has always looked like the perfect car for Jenson's smooth style.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:53

The other alternative is that his lack of enthusiasm is a ploy to get Honda to pony up some extra money. Their pullout did cost Jenson millions when he took a half salary to help keep BrawnGP afloat. Maybe he's making Honda feel like they owe him for that.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:58

Well, lotus had trouble adapting to the change rules in 2009. They may struggle again.
McLaren did also struggle, but that was due to the championship fight they were involved in the year before. Plus they came back in terms of pace at the end of the year.

Personally, I'd choose McLaren over Lotus becuase I think McLaren'll handle the rule changes better than Lotus.
But to be honest, I don't believe it'll happen.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 13:24

I got that feeling too...I would be extremely surprised to see JB in a McLaren Honda and nor do I really want to see him in one either. Both these organisations have made a mess of giving him the equipment he deserves.

Personally I hope his lack of enthusiasm in this interview is a sign that he is talking to other teams. There are a few options for him. Webber is leaving RedBull. Grosjean is unlikely to have another season at Lotus and who knows what Kimi will do. Merc is probably out and I really hope he doesn't go to Ferrari.

dont know about the interview, but who would answer to question about 2015 with calm and confidence?
Think about this way for example;
- Sebastian/Mark, it is confirmed that Red Bull Audi from 2015. Are you excited about driving Audi engine?
- Kimi, Ford to be new engine for lotus from 2015. what is your prospect?
etc etc
it's not about next race, but 2015. Everyone knows everything is fickle in F1 and seriously any driver would be odd to answer such question.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 14:06

I am not at all saying it will be Kamui, but I believe you will be proven wrong on Honda dictating drivers.

Why on earth would Honda have such priviledge which Mercedes didn't have even owning 40% of the team and there were much more candidates to pop in? Yes, maybe they will have some say in choosing drivers but no way they will 2nd tier japanese in a McLaren.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 14:13

Why on earth would Honda have such priviledge which Mercedes didn't have even owning 40% of the team and there were much more candidates to pop in? Yes, maybe they will have some say in choosing drivers but no way they will 2nd tier japanese in a McLaren.


Just food for thought, before Honda pulled out, they were going to give Bruno Senna a seat for 2009.

Honda is looking to get something out of all of this, and from a marketing standpoint, a Senna in a McLaren-Honda isn't a bad way to go. Is it likely? No, because I see Honda wanting a not necessarily a Japanese driver in one of the seats (like they did with Nakajima in 1987 at Lotus) but a top tier driver. McLaren is in desperate need of one in my opinion, and Button isn't a plan for the future. I think Perez was an effort to try and look to the future, but the jury is still out on him.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 14:29

Just food for thought, before Honda pulled out, they were going to give Bruno Senna a seat for 2009.

Honda is looking to get something out of all of this, and from a marketing standpoint, a Senna in a McLaren-Honda isn't a bad way to go. Is it likely? No, because I see Honda wanting a not necessarily a Japanese driver in one of the seats (like they did with Nakajima in 1987 at Lotus) but a top tier driver. McLaren is in desperate need of one in my opinion, and Button isn't a plan for the future. I think Perez was an effort to try and look to the future, but the jury is still out on him.

It was their team to decide who to place, not someone else's. Besides, Bruno at the had reputation of very promising rookie and looked very good in testing. Should he drove that car i think he'll still be around but thats another story.

About getting a current top driver - yes, they could pretty much sponsor it.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 14:41

I got that feeling too...I would be extremely surprised to see JB in a McLaren Honda and nor do I really want to see him in one either. Both these organisations have made a mess of giving him the equipment he deserves.

Personally I hope his lack of enthusiasm in this interview is a sign that he is talking to other teams. There are a few options for him. Webber is leaving RedBull. Grosjean is unlikely to have another season at Lotus and who knows what Kimi will do. Merc is probably out and I really hope he doesn't go to Ferrari.


I certainly took it as Jenson talking to other teams rather than Jenson going into retirement, or even taking a sabbatical.

I imagine that Jenson must be very fed up at the moment. People were saying that this could have been his year, instead McLaren produced a flawed car and then topped that with flawed reliability and race operations. It seems to me that 50% of his races so far have been adversely affected: Malaysia (wheel not fitted), Bahrain (bad strategy) and Monaco (fuel pump).

If McLaren don't sort themselves out, why should Jenson stay there and waste his remaining years?

Even playing second fiddle to Alonso at Ferrari would be better than the repeated disappointments at McLaren.



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Posted 04 June 2013 - 15:21

As a fan, I'd love to see Kimi at McLaren again regardless of teammate.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 15:21

I certainly took it as Jenson talking to other teams rather than Jenson going into retirement, or even taking a sabbatical.

I imagine that Jenson must be very fed up at the moment. People were saying that this could have been his year, instead McLaren produced a flawed car and then topped that with flawed reliability and race operations. It seems to me that 50% of his races so far have been adversely affected: Malaysia (wheel not fitted), Bahrain (bad strategy) and Monaco (fuel pump).

If McLaren don't sort themselves out, why should Jenson stay there and waste his remaining years?

Even playing second fiddle to Alonso at Ferrari would be better than the repeated disappointments at McLaren.


It's important to understand that teams are all either on the way up the hill, at the peak of the hill, or on the way down the hill. More than most drivers I think Jenson understands this and if he believes that McLaren might be on the way down the mountain he could have his eye out for a Ferrari or Red Bull seat. Without Paddy Lowe, without Hamilton, no longer a works team, and soon to be affiliated with a newbie engine entrant in Honda it's possible he is thinking of a change.

It's hard to say but it's not impossible that McLaren could go the way of Williams.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 15:23

Well with a slow car this year, Sam Micheal talking of the inevitable tail off with Merc next year and the possibility of playing catch up with Honda in 2015, he probably feels like he's back at BAR again.

Having said that, a fast car and a few race wins and it will all be forgotten I suspect.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 15:52

Predicting the future in F1 is futile. Sure, there are worrying signs for McLaren's near future. Yet I still hope Jenson stays put, as I don't think a move to another strong team is realistic. It's not a great situation for Jenson but at the same time he's not in a position to demand too much.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 16:07

Predicting the future in F1 is futile. Sure, there are worrying signs for McLaren's near future. Yet I still hope Jenson stays put, as I don't think a move to another strong team is realistic. It's not a great situation for Jenson but at the same time he's not in a position to demand too much.


It's very true. But drivers are privy to a lot more info than we are, he may well see a team changing for the worse. Or more likely the story is complete bollocks. :lol:

Still Minardi doesn't have a reputation for making up rubbish.

I have no idea why but when Kimi said the other week that he had two offers I thought not of Red Bull, but of McLaren.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 16:17

Kimi in McLaren. Kimi in McLaren was really in different league. He was driving much mroe aggressively in McLaren than any other team he has driven so far. I would welcome him :up:

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 16:36

Predicting the future in F1 is futile. Sure, there are worrying signs for McLaren's near future. Yet I still hope Jenson stays put, as I don't think a move to another strong team is realistic. It's not a great situation for Jenson but at the same time he's not in a position to demand too much.

Yeah, I think Massa, Button and Webber are all in the same boat in that they're good drivers and driving for top teams, but apart from their current employment where they've found a niche, I just don't see other top teams going out of their way to offer them contracts. They're reaching the end of their careers and the options are: stay put, go to a mid-field team or retire.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 16:42

dont know about the interview, but who would answer to question about 2015 with calm and confidence?
Think about this way for example;
- Sebastian/Mark, it is confirmed that Red Bull Audi from 2015. Are you excited about driving Audi engine?
- Kimi, Ford to be new engine for lotus from 2015. what is your prospect?
etc etc
it's not about next race, but 2015. Everyone knows everything is fickle in F1 and seriously any driver would be odd to answer such question.


It's a good point...maybe checo would/did.

#86 WitnessX

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 17:29

Predicting the future in F1 is futile. Sure, there are worrying signs for McLaren's near future. Yet I still hope Jenson stays put, as I don't think a move to another strong team is realistic. It's not a great situation for Jenson but at the same time he's not in a position to demand too much.

It depends very much on how the engineering re-structure at McLaren works, since Paddy Lowe has gone there is going to be less of a "designed by committee" approach with Tim Goss fully in charge (I never could understand the set-up with those two). I get the impression every time Whitmarsh talks about the MP4-28, and where it went wrong, that Lowes name crops up in one way or another, coincidence?

#87 garoidb

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 17:52

Yeah, I think Massa, Button and Webber are all in the same boat in that they're good drivers and driving for top teams, but apart from their current employment where they've found a niche, I just don't see other top teams going out of their way to offer them contracts. They're reaching the end of their careers and the options are: stay put, go to a mid-field team or retire.


And yet, all these teams need very solid second drivers for the WCC. When Massa's seat was under threat last year, what were the options? There were, IMO, no really safe bets once Jenson and Mark could not be tempted. Of the three, I think Jenson has the best chance to move elsewhere, but he has something to lose too. He would not want to be embarassed by Alonso or Vettel, having emerged unscathed from the Hamilton partnership (and with the cache of being a WDC intact). Retirement now, or soon, could let him leave as a recent regular GP winner, and no knockout blows to his credibility.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 18:18

Both these organisations have made a mess of giving him the equipment he deserves.



erm, last years McLaren was a WDC contender, it was Button that didn't perform in 2012, not McLaren in regards to Buttons 2012.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 18:22

It depends very much on how the engineering re-structure at McLaren works, since Paddy Lowe has gone there is going to be less of a "designed by committee" approach with Tim Goss fully in charge (I never could understand the set-up with those two). I get the impression every time Whitmarsh talks about the MP4-28, and where it went wrong, that Lowes name crops up in one way or another, coincidence?


Well its the same with any work place, blame the failures on the person that was leaving.

No one person would have decided on the direction of the 2013 car. There would be a lot of discussion by lots of different people Whitmarsh included.

Its lookign very murkey for McLaren, I can't see them wanting rid of Button so much be Button that wants the out, but it was only last week or so that it was mentioned that Honda wanted Button there as they liked working with him.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 18:56

He's beaten LH on points over 3 years, aggregated.... his life is complete :p

#91 BillBald

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 23:27

And yet, all these teams need very solid second drivers for the WCC. When Massa's seat was under threat last year, what were the options? There were, IMO, no really safe bets once Jenson and Mark could not be tempted. Of the three, I think Jenson has the best chance to move elsewhere, but he has something to lose too. He would not want to be embarassed by Alonso or Vettel, having emerged unscathed from the Hamilton partnership (and with the cache of being a WDC intact). Retirement now, or soon, could let him leave as a recent regular GP winner, and no knockout blows to his credibility.


If Jenson thought this way, he would never have joined Lewis at McLaren.

I think there's equally a chance that Jenson could embarrass Alonso or Vettel, assuming he wasn't expected to accept a no. 2 role. Neither of those guys react well to competition within the team. It might turn out that Jenson could get the car he needs to spring a surprise. At the moment it's looking less likely that he can get that car at McLaren.



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Posted 05 June 2013 - 02:25

We already did that Macca thing. For my part, RBR or Lotus for Kimi. But whereever he goes, I go, so...whatever :D

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:43

If Jenson thought this way, he would never have joined Lewis at McLaren.


He had more to gain and less to lose then, in terms of being seen as a lucky WDC. But you could, of course, be right - maybe he would be up for it.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:12

Isn't Kimi very popular in Japan? I think he would fit well in a McLaren-Honda. :love:
I'd love to see Kimi back home. :)

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:22

I think it was China, not Japan where Kimi was treated like a popstar...

Edited by Radion, 05 June 2013 - 08:23.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:25

Do we really think Kimi would return to all the sponsor commitments he would be put through at McLaren?

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:34

Do we really think Kimi would return to all the sponsor commitments he would be put through at McLaren?


Maybe it's time to change, Lotus clearly get how to manage Kimi, and they are getting good results inside and outside the track.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:38

I think it was China, not Japan where Kimi was treated like a popstar...

Yes, he has many fans in china but also in japan. Correct me if I am wrong.

@jrg19
you mean sponsor commitments like that? :p

Edited by Sonic2k, 05 June 2013 - 08:39.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:45

Yes, he has many fans in china but also in japan. Correct me if I am wrong.

@jrg19
you mean sponsor commitments like that? :p

From what I remember from Rally Japan 2010, Japanese can go absolutely nuts when Räikkönen is somewhere near

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#100 sopa

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:11

Do we really think Kimi would return to all the sponsor commitments he would be put through at McLaren?


Based on that alone I never see Kimi back in McLaren. Red Bull yes, but McLaren? Big no I'd say. Been there, done that is what I'd say about Kimi-McLaren partnership.

Button leaving McLaren? If he sees McLaren having a few bad years from now on, he could ponder a move indeed. Why not. Even though he must give up on his hope of being the "team leader" he seemed to proclaim early in the year. Though he did give up that #1 driver role in Brawn/Mercedes to leave to McLaren - for a new challenge and better car.