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#1 Sean518848

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 19:29

I recently did a video comparison of the 2010(Bridgestone) and 2011(Pirelli) season.
I compared the speed of the race leader of all the races that are dry and the safety car weren't deployed.

The first ten laps of Sepang, 2011 leader is 27s slower than 2010.
The first eight laps of Turkey, 2011 leader is 3s slower than 2010.
The first eight laps of Spain, 2011 leader is 20s slower than 2010.
The first eight laps of Valencia, 2011 leader is 14s slower than 2010.
The first 15 laps of Brazil, 2011 leader is 16s slower than 2010.

And the outright pace of the 2011 car is a lot faster than 2010.
And in all the dry races, 2011's fastest laps are a lot slower.

These are Nico Rosberg's lap time from Lap 39-44 in this year's Monaco GP.

Lap39 1:24.813
Lap40 1:24.511
Lap41 1:24.284
Lap42 1:23.949
Lap43 1:23.376
Lap44 1:23.012

And here are the fastest laps from the GP2 races that weekend.
Race 1 S. Coletti 1:23.665
Race2 S. Coletti 1:22.853

I think it is a humiliation for Formula One to go slower than GP2 under any circumstances.

And 2014 is coming up. The combination of the new V6 and the Pirelli tyres is not very convincing.

I am not hoping F1 to get back to 2004 level of speed, I am just hoping that the drivers can go a bit quicker. At least visually quicker than GP2.

Can anyone tell me that if I post this video onto Youtube, will I get into any trouble?
Because I used LOTS of video contents from FOM, BBC, SKY...

Edited by Sean518848, 05 June 2013 - 19:37.


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#2 handel

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 20:14

Cripes. Didn't know the Monaco figures vs GP2 were that close. Even with 1/3 fuel onboard and used tyres you would expect/hope the F1 cars were faster :|

Is it not going to get even worse as well with the new cars?

#3 Atreiu

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 20:17

Better keep the video links safe from FOM or whoever.

A lot more changed besides the tyres from 2010 to 2011.
Anyhow, despite winning the Turkish GP in 2011, Vettel wouldn't even have scored a point against the 2010 field. IIRC, he would have had to push over his race time to not be lapped.

#4 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 20:22

Why did you pick those Rosberg laps? Maldonado did a 1:20 on lap 8 when the car was heavy with fuel.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 20:34

Better keep the video links safe from FOM or whoever.

A lot more changed besides the tyres from 2010 to 2011.
Anyhow, despite winning the Turkish GP in 2011, Vettel wouldn't even have scored a point against the 2010 field. IIRC, he would have had to push over his race time to not be lapped.


I compared Hamilton and Button's 2010 and 2009 Turkish GP's for my dissertation to show the effects of the refuelling ban- Hamilton's 2010 time would've seen him 1 lap + 30 seconds behind Button's 2009 winning time
But then if you say they went even slower in 2011... I bet Seb's winning time would be 2 laps down on the 2009 time and even further behind the 2005 winning time (V10s etc)... WOW!!

#6 nosecone

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 20:41

Why did you pick those Rosberg laps? Maldonado did a 1:20 on lap 8 when the car was heavy with fuel.

Yep, but the Pirelli tyres need to be safed that much that you have to drive some seconds a lap slower. The lap times after the pit stops of the front runner were 2sec off the fastest lap at this moment.

#7 HaydenFan

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 20:49

Why did you pick those Rosberg laps? Maldonado did a 1:20 on lap 8 when the car was heavy with fuel.


Or any Rosberg laps. He firmly held the lead with little pressure, and by midpoint (which these laps are actually just before the red flag), he pretty solidly had the win in hand, so all he had to do was coast his way home (pun fully intended).

#8 dau

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 21:14

These are Mark Webber's lap times from the 2012 Monaco GP:

69 1:24.771
70 1:26.164
71 1:24.940
72 1:23.347
73 1:22.350

Fastest lap in GP2 that year: 1:22.223

Huh. Did we get a thread about that last year?

As for those 2010-2011 comparisons, you should keep in mind there were some changes in the Technical Regulations other than the introduction of the Pirelli tyres. Like the DDD being banned and the minimum weight raised by 20kg for example. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that the 2011 car was "a lot faster" than the 2010 one.

#9 Kelateboy

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:52

These are Mark Webber's lap times from the 2012 Monaco GP:

69 1:24.771
70 1:26.164
71 1:24.940
72 1:23.347
73 1:22.350

Fastest lap in GP2 that year: 1:22.223

Huh. Did we get a thread about that last year?

As for those 2010-2011 comparisons, you should keep in mind there were some changes in the Technical Regulations other than the introduction of the Pirelli tyres. Like the DDD being banned and the minimum weight raised by 20kg for example. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that the 2011 car was "a lot faster" than the 2010 one.

Weren't these times clocked with a slightly damp track from a brief shower at the end of the race?

#10 dau

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:56

Weren't these times clocked with a slightly damp track from a brief shower at the end of the race?

Yea, i think so, but that wasn't supposed to be a serious comparison anyway. I just looked for some arbitrary lap times that were slower than the fastest GP2 lap. Most of the race they were faster of course, but the same goes for this year's race, though with a smaller margin, i have to admit. But we know what happened this year. It was the Merc's controlling the race and going as slow as possible to ensure a double victory for their tyre-eater of a car. Pretty much everyone behind wanted to and could go faster. That was not representative of the state of F1.

Edited by dau, 06 June 2013 - 09:56.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:01

Exactly. Unfair comparisons being made, looking at GP2 fastest lap against selected F1 laps.

GP2 has these tyres too, so you could easily find laps where it is much slower.

Also Monaco will be the circuit where there is always the smallest gap between F1 and junior formulae.

#12 techspeed

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:46

I recently did a video comparison of the 2010(Bridgestone) and 2011(Pirelli) season.
I compared the speed of the race leader of all the races that are dry and the safety car weren't deployed.

The first ten laps of Sepang, 2011 leader is 27s slower than 2010.
The first eight laps of Turkey, 2011 leader is 3s slower than 2010.
The first eight laps of Spain, 2011 leader is 20s slower than 2010.
The first eight laps of Valencia, 2011 leader is 14s slower than 2010.
The first 15 laps of Brazil, 2011 leader is 16s slower than 2010.

Considering the cars were heavier with less downforce, that says to me that the 2011 Pirellis were just as fast if not faster than the 2010 Bridgestones.

And as Dau says, the slow speed at Monaco had nothing to do with Pirelli and everything to do with the front two teams who were only interested in getting the job done as steady as possible. There was plenty of hard racing further back even though the media propaganda from certain teams told us that was impossible.