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Poll: American versus European racing (213 member(s) have cast votes)

Can you enjoy an oval race?

  1. Yes, but not in the way I enjoy racing on usual tracks (84 votes [39.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 39.44%

  2. Yes, I absolutely love it (33 votes [15.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.49%

  3. No, it is just boring (96 votes [45.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.07%

Can you enjoy a race packed with millions of pace car?

  1. Yes, it spices things up (56 votes [26.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.29%

  2. No, it makes stuffs unpredictable (157 votes [73.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.71%

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#151 Deluxx

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 00:18

Different things I think Nascar is for entertainment (a bit like the way I see WWE, it´s entertaining yes, but that is not even real fighting, and that´s why they like for example the crashes so much it´s because of the entertaining part) seeing people saying it is the best motorsport that just makes me laugh sorry.


Oval racing isn't real racing? What? Are you implying F1 is real racing? I'm not sure I can reply to this without coming off as snobby (which I'm not trying to be);
but there isn't -one- type of racing that is the 'best' motorsport.

They all come from the same parent form of racing...

I dunno. I guess there are just people that don't want to get it/never will. That's cool with me. If you're ever curious pop in one of our threads while it's on and we'll help answer anything you don't get.

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#152 Myrvold

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 00:32

I´m sorry for the american people and everyone who likes Nascar but I really don´t understand how people like it (I´d like to understand), specially oval racing (is this really racing or what, running in circles :confused: ). I don´t understand that people like it at least as a SPORT.

I can enjoy Indycar more or less (specially when it´s not oval tracks) but Nascar no way. For me F1 is a sport (the number one motorsport) and Nascar is a show. Different things I think Nascar is for entertainment (a bit like the way I see WWE, it´s entertaining yes, but that is not even real fighting, and that´s why they like for example the crashes so much it´s because of the entertaining part) seeing people saying it is the best motorsport that just makes me laugh sorry. For me I think in Europe it´s really more about the Sport and in America it´s about the Entertainment. And there is nothing wrong with that, the problem is that a lot of people get this wrong.


NASCAR is show, F1 is business. None is a real sport anymore.

#153 Andrew Hope

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:44

I think we as a species need to move past the ridiculous "they just drive in circles" complaint. By a wide margin one of the dumbest reasons to dislike a sport.

#154 Deluxx

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:38

It's not even a circle anyways

#155 metz

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:54

Racing is like, well, music.
So many different kinds.
We all have a preference.
None better than the other.
Just different.
And some of us enjoy the mix.

#156 king_crud

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:23

I´m sorry for the american people and everyone who likes Nascar but I really don´t understand how people like it (I´d like to understand), specially oval racing (is this really racing or what, running in circles :confused: ). I don´t understand that people like it at least as a SPORT.

I can enjoy Indycar more or less (specially when it´s not oval tracks) but Nascar no way. For me F1 is a sport (the number one motorsport) and Nascar is a show. Different things I think Nascar is for entertainment (a bit like the way I see WWE, it´s entertaining yes, but that is not even real fighting, and that´s why they like for example the crashes so much it´s because of the entertaining part) seeing people saying it is the best motorsport that just makes me laugh sorry. For me I think in Europe it´s really more about the Sport and in America it´s about the Entertainment. And there is nothing wrong with that, the problem is that a lot of people get this wrong.


F1 has DRS, it is there for entertainment purposes.

#157 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:16

If there is one thing they do right on the new world side of the pond, it's the hoo-hah that surrounds each race. They know how to turn a race meet in to a real event, and hence endow it with a feeling of worth for whoever walks away with the win.

#158 Seanspeed

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:15

I´m sorry for the american people and everyone who likes Nascar but I really don´t understand how people like it (I´d like to understand), specially oval racing (is this really racing or what, running in circles :confused: ). I don´t understand that people like it at least as a SPORT.

I can enjoy Indycar more or less (specially when it´s not oval tracks) but Nascar no way. For me F1 is a sport (the number one motorsport) and Nascar is a show. Different things I think Nascar is for entertainment (a bit like the way I see WWE, it´s entertaining yes, but that is not even real fighting, and that´s why they like for example the crashes so much it´s because of the entertaining part) seeing people saying it is the best motorsport that just makes me laugh sorry. For me I think in Europe it´s really more about the Sport and in America it´s about the Entertainment. And there is nothing wrong with that, the problem is that a lot of people get this wrong.

Before, I had the same elitist attitude against oval racing.

It was just ignorance, though. I still dont like it, but I have actual reasons for it now.

#159 JHSingo

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:28

I think we as a species need to move past the ridiculous "they just drive in circles" complaint. By a wide margin one of the dumbest reasons to dislike a sport.


Surely driving on an oval requires more skill, and more bravery, than it takes to drive on any boring Tilke-drome these days with their supermarket car park sized run off zones.

The speeds on an oval are much higher, and you're much closer to the walls and your other competitors than in an F1 race. One error on an oval race, and you're in the wall, game over. An error in Formula One these days goes unpunished, you can run wide without hitting anything/damaging your car. Look at Vettel at Montreal - ran wide at turn one, and basically got away with no penalty for it. Is that what people really want to see? I like to see drivers challenged, and punished when they make mistakes.

You see it with many of the old tracks Formula One visits these days. Spa was always a test about sorting the men from the boys. You could only go through Eau Rouge flat if you were incredibly brave and incredibly talented. Now it is easy flat in the modern cars, and most the gravel traps that used to be around Spa have been replaced by run off zones for no real reason. Europe has a brilliant motorsport heritage, that is no question, but many of the tracks in Europe are not the challenges that they once were for drivers.

That's why I like the tracks in America. Many of the road courses have a really old school feel to them, and have been unchanged for years. You get it wrong at Road America or wherever, and well, you're going to know about it.

And if people truly believe that all ovals are exactly the same, we should have some crude generalisations with Formula One. I'll start. All street circuits are the same and boring. :p

Edited by JHSingo, 20 June 2013 - 12:31.


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#160 Collombin

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 13:51

We can't figure out how people waste time watching soccer. :D


Then I hope you never get introduced to cricket.


#161 Beamer

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 14:33

I´m sorry for the american people and everyone who likes Nascar but I really don´t understand how people like it (I´d like to understand), specially oval racing (is this really racing or what, running in circles :confused: ). I don´t understand that people like it at least as a SPORT.

I can enjoy Indycar more or less (specially when it´s not oval tracks) but Nascar no way. For me F1 is a sport (the number one motorsport) and Nascar is a show. Different things I think Nascar is for entertainment (a bit like the way I see WWE, it´s entertaining yes, but that is not even real fighting, and that´s why they like for example the crashes so much it´s because of the entertaining part) seeing people saying it is the best motorsport that just makes me laugh sorry. For me I think in Europe it´s really more about the Sport and in America it´s about the Entertainment. And there is nothing wrong with that, the problem is that a lot of people get this wrong.


You do realize that you're being an giant snob right? I don't watch Nascar either, and don't like ovals om TV either (the speed doesn't translate. It's great on the grandstands). But it is proper, competitive racing. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it isn't.
You admit to not understanding it, but still you feel the need to correct and educate people on it not being a sport? Comparing it to WWE? come on!

No need to be sorry. We can't figure out how people waste time watching soccer. :D


:rotfl: I'm european and I can't even figure that one out! (Same for football or baseball btw)

#162 sportingcp

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 15:09

Okay, I admit my comment was a bit snob or at least can interpreted that way I apologize everyone for that. Still I don´t understand why people like oval racing (who knows if I was not european and lived in America would like it too?) and would like to get it. The thing is that to be honest Nascar never really had my respect. When i´m watching TV and suddenly I see Nascar what I think is something like: "oh, here it is this silly sport again where the only thing they do is running in circles". For example I´m not a fan of Rally (it´s a sport that is a bit difficult to follow) but, from my point of view I see more that as real racing and a big challenge, and well not that monotonous thing like Nascar, "just turning left".

Maybe i´m the one who is wrong, still I think Nascar is more show but someone said that then F1 is a business more than a sport nowadays and I kind have to agree to that in some way. Next time i´m watching TV and I see some american motorsport like Nascar i´ll try to understand it better, or why people like it instead of making fun of it.

#163 JHSingo

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 17:21

:rotfl: I'm european and I can't even figure that one out! (Same for football or baseball btw)


Me too. Hate football with a passion.

I really can't take a guy seriously when he's saying what is a "sport" and what isn't when he's got an overpaid prima donna as an avatar. :lol:

#164 Red17

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 22:02

A genuine green one! Must resist.... argh.....

Next time i´m watching TV and I see some american motorsport like Nascar i´ll try to understand it better, or why people like it instead of making fun of it.

You should do that before posting the wrong words. I Pmed you a good site that is managed by the folks commenting the races at Sportv. It's not that you may start to like it, but you will be amazed how Nascar can be so similar to F1 on a good day or on a bad day.


#165 30ft penguin

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:20

I respect the American racing series and understand that there are millions of people who like them, but they are just not for me. I tried watching NASCAR etc., but I personally do not like them. Same as baseball - I just do not "get it". Still no reason to belittle those series, people are different, not everybody likes the same things.

Edited by 30ft penguin, 21 June 2013 - 02:20.


#166 ray b

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:09

it is not just indycar or nasytcars

there is lots of local small races too
there are the local short ovals everywhere dirt and paved 1/8 to a full mile
with everything from winged outlaws to semi-stock mini's
with nothing at all to do with the bigger races

plus a fair number of road courses too
so we don't miss types of racing

#167 gm914

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:21

Maybe i´m the one who is wrong...

Getting warmer...

#168 Beamer

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 06:50

Okay, I admit my comment was a bit snob or at least can interpreted that way I apologize everyone for that. Still I don´t understand why people like oval racing (who knows if I was not european and lived in America would like it too?) and would like to get it. The thing is that to be honest Nascar never really had my respect. When i´m watching TV and suddenly I see Nascar what I think is something like: "oh, here it is this silly sport again where the only thing they do is running in circles". For example I´m not a fan of Rally (it´s a sport that is a bit difficult to follow) but, from my point of view I see more that as real racing and a big challenge, and well not that monotonous thing like Nascar, "just turning left".

Maybe i´m the one who is wrong, still I think Nascar is more show but someone said that then F1 is a business more than a sport nowadays and I kind have to agree to that in some way. Next time i´m watching TV and I see some american motorsport like Nascar i´ll try to understand it better, or why people like it instead of making fun of it.

:up:

#169 Deluxx

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:46

"Way too many safety cars in NASCAR compared to f1"

Lol silverstone