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#151 bourbon

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 19:46

I wasn't going to bother but you're just writing so much crap.

1) If Vettel and Hamilton were paired you're delusional if you think the antagonism would come only from Hamilton's side. For a start Vettel has shown far more evidence of being political than Hamilton has, whether it's dinner with Mr Ecclestone, allowing Marko to be his attack dog or asking the team over the radio to "get Mark out of the way." Is Webber also a "self-destructive" person just like Hamilton? I suppose he must be given the toxic atmosphere between the Red Bull drivers; it certainly couldn't be anything to do with Vettel...


I have to agree with Sakae from a the point of view of public perception. Hamilton was the main cause of fireworks over at McLaren - attracting and/or causing 90% of the drama. Vettel tends to keep things internal. Now in private, well that is another matter. I'd imagine you'd have bats flying from all corners. :D

But the private drama and Hamilton's public displays would be similar to what they had in 2010 at RBR - and that can be a big distraction for the team - and even for the drivers at times.

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#152 fullhouse

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:19

Webber made one great media conspiracy at Silverstone. Vettel liked the new wing. Webber did not like it. The new wing then failed. Red Bull then decided to take the wing off both the cars since it had a risk of failure. Then on Saturday Newey came to Horner that the wing needs to be tested and it is important to gather data for future development path. Red Bull did common sense thinking. It realized it was its mistake the wing failed on the one driver who found difference with the wing and wanted to use it. They wanted to test the wing again and took ITS left-over wing and bolted it on the one car that would give them the useful running. Webber saw this as an opportunity to propagandize his agenda. He leaked the info to media. The press was all over.



You are claiming Webber did not want to use the new wing, which is a complete fabrication. If he did not want to use it he would not have been fuming over the decision.

Edited by fullhouse, 14 June 2013 - 01:20.


#153 fabr68

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 01:42

I thought the best option for Vettel is to wait and see. If the 2014 RedBull cars turn out to be a POS, then he would have the option of moving on to another leading team for 2015. Why would he sign only a 1-year contract extension? Why not a multi-year contract, if he really has the confidence?

I just don't understand the move.


Actually, if the 2014 Red Bull car is crap, Vettel will be screwed. I don't see top teams doing well changing their driver formula. Vettel may be stuck there until a top seat becomes available.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:26

Why is there always this crap about Vettel having to prove himself in another team?

Was Hamilton called upon to do so before anyone would recognise his skill? Not that I recall. And Vettel arguably has done so already impressing enough in a BMW and Torro Rosso

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 02:39

Why is there always this crap about Vettel having to prove himself in another team?

Was Hamilton called upon to do so before anyone would recognise his skill? Not that I recall. And Vettel arguably has done so already impressing enough in a BMW and Torro Rosso


I do not like Vettel but I have to agree with this. He proved his abilities before RBR and many times with RBR itself. That he behaves sometimes like primadona is nothing new, Fernando does that as well. Seb is a nice guy but he has bern sticking with the WDC for a long time now and the most want to see a change many might say. But it might happen that he will score another 3 WDCs until 2015...

#156 bourbon

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 04:03

Vettel seems pretty chipper about remaining at Red Bull in THIS VIDEO. I think he is jazzed to be apart of the increasing "blue" caps around the track among fans. He talks about the "booing" after the race and was not bothered by it at all - recognizing they were Ferrari fans, joining into a common anti cheer for the team that beat Ferrari - who - he adds - has the biggest fan base around the globe. So I think this 2015 signing is something he really wanted to do for many reasons, but I think he hasn't forgotten those red dreams he's been talking about since at least 2006, likely before that.

#157 fullhouse

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 04:11

Why is there always this crap about Vettel having to prove himself in another team?

Was Hamilton called upon to do so before anyone would recognise his skill? Not that I recall. And Vettel arguably has done so already impressing enough in a BMW and Torro Rosso


Hamilton proved himself against a guy called Alonso. The Torro Rosso was a redbull so he has not proved himself out of a Redbull, which is why it will remain a black mark against him until he does.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 04:32

How about taking Webbers new front wing off and giving to Vettel after he destroyed his? Which happened at Silverstone very early in the season with then close on points. Ferrari have never favoured Alonso early in the season when both are still in title contention.


how about Webber not wanting the new front wing and stating the old was better until Vettel had broked his? :drunk:

#159 Vesuvius

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 04:34

Hamilton proved himself against a guy called Alonso. The Torro Rosso was a redbull so he has not proved himself out of a Redbull, which is why it will remain a black mark against him until he does.


he doesn't have to proof a thing, everyone who has some brains knows Vettel is as good as Hamilton and Alonso.

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#160 Desdirodeabike

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 05:34

Hamilton proved himself against a guy called Alonso. The Torro Rosso was a redbull so he has not proved himself out of a Redbull, which is why it will remain a black mark against him until he does.

Wow.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 07:22

Wow.


Hey, that TR scored more points than RBR! Don't worry, just kidding :lol:

#162 Zava

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 07:26

Vettel seems pretty chipper about remaining at Red Bull in THIS VIDEO. I think he is jazzed to be apart of the increasing "blue" caps around the track among fans. He talks about the "booing" after the race and was not bothered by it at all - recognizing they were Ferrari fans, joining into a common anti cheer for the team that beat Ferrari - who - he adds - has the biggest fan base around the globe. So I think this 2015 signing is something he really wanted to do for many reasons, but I think he hasn't forgotten those red dreams he's been talking about since at least 2006, likely before that.

damn, that woman IS annoying...

#163 Sakae

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 08:19

Webber made one great media conspiracy at Silverstone. Vettel liked the new wing. Webber did not like it. The new wing then failed. Red Bull then decided to take the wing off both the cars since it had a risk of failure. Then on Saturday Newey came to Horner that the wing needs to be tested and it is important to gather data for future development path. Red Bull did common sense thinking. It realized it was its mistake the wing failed on the one driver who found difference with the wing and wanted to use it. They wanted to test the wing again and took ITS left-over wing and bolted it on the one car that would give them the useful running. Webber saw this as an opportunity to propagandize his agenda. He leaked the info to media. The press was all over.

I am impressed, and could have put it any better than you have; that's my understanding of that weekend as well, which is why I am lost at the outcry of Webber's fans. I also have to admit that this (and Turkey 2010) were rupture points how I view Horner (and Webber), that they let it really boil into a large than life incident, instead both coming out, and speak to it in direct manner. Maybe Webber at the time was still hoping to have upper hand with RBR, and hasn't realized what the future holds, which is unfortunate.

#164 weltmeister1995

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 09:16

I hope when he leaves red bull,he won"t go to Ferrari.I would love to see Vettel in a Mclaren,this is my dream. :wave:
Don"t want him to see in Mercedes GP,or in a ferrari.He deserves to be in a Mclaren car,I think he in Mclaren would be very good.
Omg,look at this picture,mercedes,ferrari will suck for him.
http://www.bild.de/b...Login.bild.html

Edited by weltmeister1995, 14 June 2013 - 09:19.


#165 DILLIGAF

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 10:04

First of all, that is not Webber's front wing. That is Red Bull's front wing.

Vettel did not destroy his. The front wing failed. It was a reliability problem.

Webber made one great media conspiracy at Silverstone. Vettel liked the new wing. Webber did not like it. The new wing then failed. Red Bull then decided to take the wing off both the cars since it had a risk of failure. Then on Saturday Newey came to Horner that the wing needs to be tested and it is important to gather data for future development path. Red Bull did common sense thinking. It realized it was its mistake the wing failed on the one driver who found difference with the wing and wanted to use it. They wanted to test the wing again and took ITS left-over wing and bolted it on the one car that would give them the useful running. Webber saw this as an opportunity to propagandize his agenda. He leaked the info to media. The press was all over.


That is complete BS SpaMaster. It's well documented that Webber liked the new wing but Horner took it upon himself (after qualifying) to spin that into Vettel having a "greater preference" for the new wing over the old. Newey even admitted the new wing was probably worth a tenth of a second. Mark knew it was an improvement, hence he got upset.

Either back up your tales with factual sources or stop making **** up. :down:

Edited by DILLIGAF, 14 June 2013 - 10:05.


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 10:07

I hope when he leaves red bull,he won"t go to Ferrari.I would love to see Vettel in a Mclaren,this is my dream. :wave:

You have got to be kidding me.... :)

Ferrari is the obvious choice if he chooses to leave RedBull.


#167 Alcibiades

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 10:14

I do not like Vettel but I have to agree with this. He proved his abilities before RBR and many times with RBR itself. That he behaves sometimes like primadona is nothing new, Fernando does that as well. Seb is a nice guy but he has bern sticking with the WDC for a long time now and the most want to see a change many might say. But it might happen that he will score another 3 WDCs until 2015...


Depends who you ask. For me Vettel is a top driver. I'm a Hamilton fan and I respect Vettels abilities as a driver but at the moment he's only really put himself up against Bourdais and Webber in equal machinary. This will always be a question mark against him because it's always the man plus machine equation. Schumacher's career was the same. He never tested himself in the same team against a really tough teammate. Whilst understanding that this works for the team and for the best drivers in terms of success it leaves question marks against how good they really are. This is the fascination of F1 and why there is endless debate because we don't know.

Edited by Alcibiades, 14 June 2013 - 10:15.


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:03

Problem seems, since RBR is a drinks company, it doesnt get the recognition which Ferrari, McLaren, Merc guys get.

Wasn't Benetton a clothing company and was there anyone who had a problem with it?


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:33

You have got to be kidding me.... :)

Ferrari is the obvious choice if he chooses to leave RedBull.

No Vettel deserves a Mclaren car not that Ferrari.He just don"t belong in that car,that"s my opinion of course.
This its just Silly.

Edited by weltmeister1995, 14 June 2013 - 11:38.


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:39

Depends who you ask. For me Vettel is a top driver. I'm a Hamilton fan and I respect Vettels abilities as a driver but at the moment he's only really put himself up against Bourdais and Webber in equal machinary. This will always be a question mark against him because it's always the man plus machine equation. Schumacher's career was the same. He never tested himself in the same team against a really tough teammate. Whilst understanding that this works for the team and for the best drivers in terms of success it leaves question marks against how good they really are. This is the fascination of F1 and why there is endless debate because we don't know.


It doesn't.

asspulls are no "question marks".

#171 Alcibiades

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 11:54

It doesn't.

asspulls are no "question marks".


So because you don't agree it's an asspull? Thanks for the clear reasoned explanation. How do you know how Vettel would cope with a really tough teammate - say Alonso? We don't. He doesn't need to leave RB to do this but only having Webber and Bourdais as teammates leaves questions to be asked in my opinion. You clearly disagree. That's ok. It's called opinion.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 12:56

No Vettel deserves a Mclaren car not that Ferrari.

That seems quite harsh at the moment


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:20

Wasn't Benetton a clothing company and was there anyone who had a problem with it?


No one said they had a "problem with it". Just that driving for a team like Merc or Ferrari is more prestigious than driving for a team like Benetton or Red Bull.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:23

So because you don't agree it's an asspull? Thanks for the clear reasoned explanation. How do you know how Vettel would cope with a really tough teammate - say Alonso? We don't. He doesn't need to leave RB to do this but only having Webber and Bourdais as teammates leaves questions to be asked in my opinion. You clearly disagree. That's ok. It's called opinion.


And do you rate Alonso differently because he broke apart against Hamilton? Or Hamilton after losing against Button and earning less points than Button in the three years?

No?

What a surprise.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:25

Why is there always this crap about Vettel having to prove himself in another team?

Was Hamilton called upon to do so before anyone would recognise his skill? Not that I recall.


Yes, among some; it's a standard caveat of the naysayers before they will (apparently) rate a driver.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:26

Yes, among some; it's a standard caveat of the naysayers before they will (apparently) rate a driver.


Good, that Vettel was driver of three different teams now.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:32

Vettel deserves a Mclaren car


if it's like this years, i agree :)

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:35

if it's like this years, i agree :)

Hehe no I want him to be in a mclaren that is really competitive,like in 2010,2012...
I don"t know why but I would just love it if he will go to mclaren and racing there...

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:43

Hehe no I want him to be in a mclaren that is really competitive,like in 2010,2012...

In a McLaren like in 2012, today's Vettel would win almost every single race - it would be extremely boring :p
Nonetheless, I agree, I would also like to see him in that beauty of a car...




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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:47

Hehe no I want him to be in a mclaren that is really competitive,like in 2010,2012...


Then Vettel would have had only 1 title the one 2011 with red Bull

I don"t know why but I would just love it if he will go to mclaren and racing there...


Probably because you don't like Ferrari

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 13:51

Hehe no I want him to be in a mclaren that is really competitive,like in 2010,2012...
I don"t know why but I would just love it if he will go to mclaren and racing there...

If I was in Vettel's place, McLaren would be the one team (of the top four) which I would not be willing to join.

Ferrari: Grande casino drama team
McLaren: Badly managed Team Britain
Mercedes: Always under pressure by shareholders
Red Bull: Winning fun team, no pressure, no financial problems

Which one would you choose?

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 14:27

You are claiming Webber did not want to use the new wing, which is a complete fabrication. If he did not want to use it he would not have been fuming over the decision.

You claimed many other things that were fase and I pointed them out. You have claimed another one now. You simply have no idea of what happened. Read more about it. You would understand why Webber was not happy.

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 14:31

That is complete BS SpaMaster. It's well documented that Webber liked the new wing but Horner took it upon himself (after qualifying) to spin that into Vettel having a "greater preference" for the new wing over the old. Newey even admitted the new wing was probably worth a tenth of a second. Mark knew it was an improvement, hence he got upset.

Either back up your tales with factual sources or stop making **** up. :down:

How about you follow your own advice?

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 14:32

so Alonso Vettel straight swap in 2016

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 14:41

That is complete BS SpaMaster. It's well documented that Webber liked the new wing but Horner took it upon himself (after qualifying) to spin that into Vettel having a "greater preference" for the new wing over the old. Newey even admitted the new wing was probably worth a tenth of a second. Mark knew it was an improvement, hence he got upset.

Either back up your tales with factual sources or stop making **** up. :down:


Eh it was all over the media, how Webber didn't like the wing! Check your facts before posting! :down:

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 15:21

That is complete BS SpaMaster. It's well documented that Webber liked the new wing but Horner took it upon himself (after qualifying) to spin that into Vettel having a "greater preference" for the new wing over the old.


The above is not well documented - it is not documented at all. If it is, provide the documentation as it will be the first I've heard of it. Horner said Mark didn't care about the wing one way or the other and didn't favor it over the old wing the night before. Only AFTER he found out they were giving it to Seb did he suddenly become feverishly desirous of the wing.

Newey even admitted the new wing was probably worth a tenth of a second. Mark knew it was an improvement, hence he got upset.


Supply Proof.

Either back up your tales with factual sources or stop making **** up. :down:


Back at ya mate.

This is precisely why the Webber-Vettel teammate scenario has fail written all over it from time to time. Mark pulls this sort of stunt and the media runs away with it. Fans go further, as I believe you have above, but the media made much more of it than what it was - turned it into a whole "bias, selfish, demanding sebastian" scenario, when it was nothing of the sort at all. SpaMaster had it right.

This is the bit I will not miss at all if the teammates part company from next season onward to the end of Seb's extended deal.

Edited by bourbon, 14 June 2013 - 15:25.


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Posted 14 June 2013 - 15:25

Webber made one great media conspiracy at Silverstone. Vettel liked the new wing. Webber did not like it. The new wing then failed. Red Bull then decided to take the wing off both the cars since it had a risk of failure. Then on Saturday Newey came to Horner that the wing needs to be tested and it is important to gather data for future development path. Red Bull did common sense thinking. It realized it was its mistake the wing failed on the one driver who found difference with the wing and wanted to use it. They wanted to test the wing again and took ITS left-over wing and bolted it on the one car that would give them the useful running. Webber saw this as an opportunity to propagandize his agenda. He leaked the info to media. The press was all over.

Amazing conspiracy theory, :stoned: how long did it take you to make that up? :lol:

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 15:43

Amazing conspiracy theory, :stoned: how long did it take you to make that up? :lol:

Certainly longer than the theory you cooked up to say Vettel vetoed Hamilton. Stop being a hypocrite. I am still waiting for you to answer that. You can't pick and choose the posts you would like to answer. Liar.
And you call me a conspiracy theorist.

Edited by SpaMaster, 14 June 2013 - 15:44.


#189 weltmeister1995

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 15:44

If I was in Vettel's place, McLaren would be the one team (of the top four) which I would not be willing to join.

Ferrari: Grande casino drama team
McLaren: Badly managed Team Britain
Mercedes: Always under pressure by shareholders
Red Bull: Winning fun team, no pressure, no financial problems

Which one would you choose?

Red bull and Mclaren,obviously!

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Posted 14 June 2013 - 15:50

I warned the thread about going off topic. There's been no reports of problems in the thread since, and yet here you all are insulting each other in the middle of a mass of derails. Not acceptable. Please talk to each other with a lot more civility and patience in future. Thread closed.