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Poll: Webber in 2014 (122 member(s) have cast votes)

Where do you THINK Webber will go in 2014?

  1. Red Bull (32 votes [26.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.23%

  2. Lotus (9 votes [7.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.38%

  3. Ferrari (4 votes [3.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.28%

  4. McLaren (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Force India (2 votes [1.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.64%

  6. another F1 team (3 votes [2.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.46%

  7. retirement from competitive racing (8 votes [6.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.56%

  8. WEC with Porsche (64 votes [52.46%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.46%

Where would you LIKE Webber to go in 2014?

  1. Red Bull (12 votes [9.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.84%

  2. Lotus (16 votes [13.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.11%

  3. Ferrari (23 votes [18.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.85%

  4. McLaren (4 votes [3.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.28%

  5. Force India (2 votes [1.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.64%

  6. another F1 team (4 votes [3.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.28%

  7. retirement from competitive racing (16 votes [13.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.11%

  8. WEC with Porsche (45 votes [36.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.89%

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#101 wattoroos

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:36

Ah but if Kimi goes to RedBull and then Mark goes to Lotus or even Ferrari (unlikely I know) then that would make 3 interesting team mate battles (Hammy v. Rosberg, Seb v. Kimi, Webber v. Alonso or other Lotus driver) ;)

Didn't even think that, I would love to see him in red, then we can somewhat compare the relative standing of Vettel/Alonso, but maybe he is going for the unenviable record of Barrichello's, being beaten to a WDC 6 times, he has got three so far with a fourth looking fairly likely and a record is a record, at least he has longest time to first GP win from debut race. But about Hamilton vs Alonso (round 2), Webber vs Rosberg (round 2) and Vettel vs Bourdais (round 2), I think 2 of them would be close but Bourdais would just wipe the floor with Vettel. Seems realistic?


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#102 JHSingo

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:47

I'd love to see him at Porsche, not because I have a burning desire for him to be out of F1, but just because I honestly prefer sports cars and would love to see how he'd get on in the WEC.

From the comments Webber has made about Formula One recently, about how the new racing is boring (correct), and how F1 needs to look at itself, he sounds to me like a man who has become disillusioned with the sport and already has made his mind up. I wouldn't be surprised if he'd already signed for Porsche, even though he says he hasn't.

I found his interview with Alonso that the BBC did (I think for the Spanish GP) very interesting, where he said basically that F1 may be the pinnacle of motorsport, but there is always more interesting cars to drive, and that there is more to motorsport than just F1.



#103 DILLIGAF

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 13:19

Ditto, purely because it will be the same same even if he has a race winning car. I'd prefer if Webber went to Lotus/Ferrari/Sports cars. A change will do him some good - who knows what the new regs will bring.


Same here. :up:

#104 NotSoSilentBob

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 02:15

As requested, Poll(s) added.

#105 HoldenRT

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 05:47

If Rebull if they sign up such an old consistent under achiever up again it will confirm they are the most one man team in the sport and don't care about it. Hopefully they finally sign up a fresh good driver who might be able to beat Vettel, but they will probably just sign up Riccardo who is young enough to spend the next decade as his number 2.


NO fresh good driver will be able to beat Vettel right now. :well:

For the same reason that Hamilton isn' t beating Rosberg.

And if Rosberg joined McLaren, I don't think he'd be beating Lewis (if Lewis stayed).



#106 Sakae

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:07

Recent headlines claim that Horner is letting Webber to decide about "his future with the team". Surprising to some small extent, because Marko's rhetoric implied a different direction RB might want to take in the future, and I was hoping to see Kimster in RB. Now, who the h*** knows.

#107 wattoroos

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:18

Interesting that no one (as of when I completed the poll) 'wants' Webber to stay with RBR

#108 Kelateboy

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:30

I don't. It's time for fresh blood at Red Bull. I'm a bit bored with the line up Vettel/Webber at that team.

I am sure you are because the two, while haven't been the best of friends, have managed to win the WCC in the last 3 seasons. Chances are they will get their 4th this year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

#109 wattoroos

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:47

I am sure you are because the two, while haven't been the best of friends, have managed to win the WCC in the last 3 seasons. Chances are they will get their 4th this year. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Yeah exactly, even though I can understand if Mark wants to change (he has been there for 7 years at the end of this year) I wouldn't be surprised if he stays because he seems to have a good relationship with the people in the team

#110 BRG

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 19:33

NO fresh good driver will be able to beat Vettel right now. :well:

For the same reason that Hamilton isn' t beating Rosberg.

And if Rosberg joined McLaren, I don't think he'd be beating Lewis (if Lewis stayed).

Erm, isn't Lewis 20 points ahead of Nico?

/argument

#111 JHSingo

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 20:30

According to Radio Le Mans (who are normally spot on with these things) a current Formula One driver had a seat fitting at Weissach recently.

Who could that possibly be? :p

Edited by JHSingo, 24 June 2013 - 20:31.


#112 OvDrone

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 20:59

Half of me wants Le Mans, the other half - Ferrari/Lotus.

Come to think, it's 51% LMP1, 49% F1, because of the Le Mans race being so fresh in my mind.

#113 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 04:25

Why would RedBull want to upset the applecart by getting rid of Webber?

1. He's no threat to Vettel.

Raikkonen is in the "Red Bull" family - they would like to bring the Iceman in at some point. :)

#114 autosportfan

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 06:29

Erm, isn't Lewis 20 points ahead of Nico?

/argument



Check Rosbergs retirements and half of those points were a gift from Ross Brawn.



#115 joshb

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 09:54

According to Radio Le Mans (who are normally spot on with these things) a current Formula One driver had a seat fitting at Weissach recently.

Who could that possibly be? :p


Well they've already signed Neel Jani, an ex F1 tester... how many cars are they hoping to enter next year?

#116 sheepgobba

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:56

Raikkonen is in the "Red Bull" family - they would like to bring the Iceman in at some point. :)


Not so sure if Kimi is part of the Red Bull 'family' though.

Personally see Mark returning to Le Mans with Porsche. He does seem fonder of the Porsche brand.

#117 JHSingo

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 11:25

Well they've already signed Neel Jani, an ex F1 tester... how many cars are they hoping to enter next year?


They haven't said, we can only guess.

Worse case scenario (unlikely to happen given they are ahead of schedule) 1 car for the entire WEC season, expanding to two for Le Mans, like Toyota did last year. Best case scenario two cars for the entire WEC, maybe a third for Le Mans, like Audi this year.

So yeah, anywhere between 1-3 cars. :lol:

#118 W154

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 11:46

I know it's a bit radical, but maybe he could actually do F1 AND WEC?
Nothing to stop him having it agreed to by RBR and Porsche.
Who knows, we might even get back to "the good old days" when F1 drivers regularly competed in sports car races and .....the Indy 500 !

#119 noikeee

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 11:52

I'd be more than a bit surprised if Porsche do Le Mans with a single car. Am expecting them to have 2 or 3, surely? So that would make 6 or 9 drivers. Plenty of space for Mark there.

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#120 handel

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 11:53

Depends where his other opportunities are next year doesn't it? Sod the results its delivered - the lineup of Vettel & Webber at RBR is stale and it's not great to watch anymore on a pure racing level. Seb is a better driver than Mark with the current cars and it's getting mighty boring watching that play out week after week.

Webber might stay on I guess hoping that he can find an affinity with next years cars. I mean they'll require a slightly different skill to master and there is therefore a chance that it will help close the gap between him & his teammate. If he doesn't think this will happen then I hope he'll jump ship so we can have some new combinations at work and maybe pit two other champions together.

Edited by handel, 25 June 2013 - 11:55.


#121 JHSingo

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:00

I'd say that if those days weren't already gone, the chances of that happening are virtually non-existent.

Given what happened to Kubica, F1 teams these days are reluctant to let drivers do anything beyond eating, sleeping and breathing...

#122 Oho

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:37

I'd say that if those days weren't already gone, the chances of that happening are virtually non-existent.

Given what happened to Kubica, F1 teams these days are reluctant to let drivers do anything beyond eating, sleeping and breathing...


Well you don't have to look at Kubica with much more recent tragedy. That said I doubt RBR considers Webber irreplaceable enough to even entertain the idea of letting him divide his attention between two almost equally demanding disciplines.


#123 Alfisti

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 14:48

If i were a team based in the UK i'd be looking at Mark as a potential guy to run my Junior drivers. As in mentor them, teach them the ropes, test with them etc. He can still do leMans.

#124 lbennie

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:42

If i were a team based in the UK i'd be looking at Mark as a potential guy to run my Junior drivers. As in mentor them, teach them the ropes, test with them etc. He can still do leMans.


The new helmut marko perhaps?

oh the irony :p



Apparently Didi has told the german media that he is very keen for mark to drive for them next year and that an offer is on the table for him....

Edited by lbennie, 26 June 2013 - 02:05.


#125 Brother Fox

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:07

Theres worse moves to make than getting in good with a bazillionaire F1 team owner huh?

#126 Ian G

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:37

Apparently Didi has told the german media that he is very keen for mark to drive for them next year and that an offer is on the table for him....


As i have posted many times,and i'm getting this info. well down the Food Chain,Mark has several options for next season,i'm sure that one of them is Lotus but it may be a smokescreen for something else.In the Oz. radio interview Mark hinted he had been in contact with DM so there may be a verbal in place similar to the last couple of years,if he stays in F-1 it will be with RB.

#127 klyster

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 06:30

I wish Mark the best of luck in whatever he decides to do.

I hope he writes a book down the line, and I hope there is no NDO from his time at Red Bull, I'm sure he'd had some candid things to say...


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 06:37

I think Red Bull would rather keep him until he retires, because if he went to a rival team, he'd carry with him a lot of the secrets of Red Bull's success in the past 3-4 seasons. I know he's not Adrian Newey, but surely, as a driver, he knows something about how that car is so quick in qualifying, and at the beginning of a race.

I don't want Mark to stay at RB, because I think it'd be better for him to be at Ferrari, but if I was Red Bull, I'd want to keep Mark. They keep winning the WCC, and Mark is very much the outdoorsy type that fits the brand of RB.

#129 Sakae

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:08

New deal?

#130 DILLIGAF

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:15

I wish Mark the best of luck in whatever he decides to do.

I hope he writes a book down the line, and I hope there is no NDO from his time at Red Bull, I'm sure he'd had some candid things to say...


+1

There will definitely be a book published when he leaves F1. From memory Ann Neal has said that she has been documenting his career. I'm sure it will be a no holds barred cracker of a read.

#131 DILLIGAF

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:24

New deal?


Yup. Mark has dealt directly with DM since mid 2010. It's clear that Mark & DM have a very good relationship. Straight forward & honest with each other & obviously a mutual respect. Safe to say Horner or Marko are irrelevant when it comes to Webbo's contracts at RBR.

Edited by DILLIGAF, 26 June 2013 - 10:25.


#132 Sakae

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:14

Yup. Mark has dealt directly with DM since mid 2010. It's clear that Mark & DM have a very good relationship. Straight forward & honest with each other & obviously a mutual respect. Safe to say Horner or Marko are irrelevant when it comes to Webbo's contracts at RBR.

Should I understand then it's not Marko, but the owner who puts Webber into P2 contractual position? That's P2-mantra sung year long by his fans, right?

Edited by Sakae, 26 June 2013 - 11:15.


#133 JHSingo

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:56

New deal?


:down:

How many more times does he need to be screwed over by Red Bull to smell the coffee and move out of there?!

He isn't going to win a title with Red Bull as long as Vettel is there, that much has been blatantly clear in the last few years.

#134 mnmracer

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 13:30

How many more times does he need to be screwed over by Red Bull to smell the coffee and move out of there?!

The real question is, how many more times is a certain group of people on internet forums going to stop assuming Mark Webber is an idiot, and maybe consider he's given a fair chance and is genuinely slower than his team-mate.

#135 goingthedistance

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 13:43

The real question is, how many more times is a certain group of people on internet forums going to stop assuming Mark Webber is an idiot, and maybe consider he's given a fair chance and is genuinely slower than his team-mate.


Would you turn down 10 million euros and the chance to drive the fastest car on earth just because your team-mate received preferential treatment? Not many would.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 13:43

:down:

How many more times does he need to be screwed over by Red Bull to smell the coffee and move out of there?!

He isn't going to win a title with Red Bull as long as Vettel is there, that much has been blatantly clear in the last few years.

When DM declared last year that in his team there is no No. 1 (or 2), then was he not telling the truth, or people like Horner simply decided to disobey their master and the guy who keeps cash flowing into their bank accounts, and have mind on their own who receives a preferential treatment, and who is not? I think that mnmracer might be onto something here.

Edited by Sakae, 26 June 2013 - 13:44.


#137 joshb

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 13:53

I wonder if Webber will give it 1 more year with the big rule changes to see how it goes there, see if that can give him a chance to win.

RB will want him to stay because a) It'll be the best driver pairing in the field b) It's the most successful driver pairing since Schumi/Barrichello and c) They need Webber and Vettel's baselines to provide feedback for next year's car, which will change a lot.



#138 wattoroos

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 13:54

The real question is, how many more times is a certain group of people on internet forums going to stop assuming Mark Webber is an idiot, and maybe consider he's given a fair chance and is genuinely slower than his team-mate.

I, like many Webber 'fans' believe that Vettel is faster, but then again, I am one of those unique few who actually quite like Vettel, I just think Webber is better than people give him credit for and people are just naive at how talented Vettel really is

#139 joshb

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 14:21

I, like many Webber 'fans' believe that Vettel is faster, but then again, I am one of those unique few who actually quite like Vettel, I just think Webber is better than people give him credit for and people are just naive at how talented Vettel really is


Pre 2009- a lot of people were expecting Webber to give Vettel a good hiding or certainly he would have the edge- that's how highly he was rated
Now, Webber has very quickly been made out to be useless to diminish Vettel's achievements

The opposite of Hamilton teaming up with Rosberg- finding it a hard match- and now everyone is saying Rosberg is the 2nd coming.

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#140 mnmracer

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 14:25

Pre 2009- a lot of people were expecting Webber to give Vettel a good hiding or certainly he would have the edge- that's how highly he was rated
Now, Webber has very quickly been made out to be useless to diminish Vettel's achievements

The opposite of Hamilton teaming up with Rosberg- finding it a hard match- and now everyone is saying Rosberg is the 2nd coming.

...yet forgetting how Webbo fared against Rosberg, or make excuses for a rookie year (which of course never comes into play in the HAM/ALO lovefest).
Sometimes I don't know whether to :lol: or :rolleyes: at these kind of things.

Webber really doesn't deserve half the flack his talents get.

#141 wattoroos

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 15:09

...yet forgetting how Webbo fared against Rosberg, or make excuses for a rookie year (which of course never comes into play in the HAM/ALO lovefest).
Sometimes I don't know whether to :lol: or :rolleyes: at these kind of things.

Webber really doesn't deserve half the flack his talents get.

I agree, but I think Webber is put down by some as to some how diminish Vettel's achievements, scary that Vettel is only 25, Webber wasn't even in f1 at that stage. In my opinion 2012 was a more impressive title than 2010/2011 combined as he had to fight hard, but back on topic, Webber has to believe he can beat Vettel, he has to, in f1 you need to be able to believe that, but maybe he wants a fresh challenge and after 7 years, I completely understand. Lotus if an option would be nice, in that situation, I guess RBR would choose KIMI or possibly JEV or DR, but as a DR supporter, I dont want him near anyone that good just yet. And for the people saying, "why does he want to go through all that evil that is RB once again", maybe it's not that bad, Mark seems to get along well with key management figures and only he and others close to him would know the situation. Sometimes he says some odd things, but stick a microphone in front a driver who feels annoyed after a race, and you are likely to get that

#142 JHSingo

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 20:32

Would you turn down 10 million euros and the chance to drive the fastest car on earth just because your team-mate received preferential treatment? Not many would.


When the other option is a similar/identical sum of money and a better chance at becoming an FIA World Champion, as well as a chance of winning the greatest race in the world, yes, I would.

Better option over being Red Bull's whipping boy/Vettel's bitch for ANOTHER year...

No brainer for me. Much prefer to see him in Porsche.



#143 Ian G

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 22:43

I wish Mark the best of luck in whatever he decides to do.

I hope he writes a book down the line, and I hope there is no NDO from his time at Red Bull, I'm sure he'd had some candid things to say...


Yeah,same here,his memoirs will be a great read,his time at Williams and the relationship with Sir Frank will be an interesting chapter.The Publishers Lawyers will be on overtime as they try to keep Mark's intent clear whilst not spending years in in court being sued by Pirelli.

#144 mattferg

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 22:49

:down:

How many more times does he need to be screwed over by Red Bull to smell the coffee and move out of there?!

He isn't going to win a title with Red Bull as long as Vettel is there, that much has been blatantly clear in the last few years.


And where else will he go to win a title? Lotus isn't capable, Mercedes is full and we all know Mark will be in the same position if he goes to Ferrari for sure.

#145 Brother Fox

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 23:12

Exactly.

The two best teams have perhaps the 2 best drivers (imo) and although Merc, Lotus or McLaren are great drives, they're not if youre coming from Red Bull.


Also, sportscar drivers seem to be able to go much longer, into their 40's, so thats by no means passing him by if he waits a year or 2.

#146 DILLIGAF

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 02:06

When DM declared last year that in his team there is no No. 1 (or 2), then was he not telling the truth, or people like Horner simply decided to disobey their master and the guy who keeps cash flowing into their bank accounts, and have mind on their own who receives a preferential treatment, and who is not? I think that mnmracer might be onto something here.


I see it somewhat differently Sakae. I have a sense that DM does believe in both drivers being treated equally & that Mark deals directly with him because of that assurance from DM. Mark trusts DM's integrity. It's clear that Webber is being well beaten by Vettel on merit, not because there is a clear #1 & #2 philosophy at RBR. You will always have the few rabid Webber fans who will always believe he's being treated as a #2, and maybe if Marko called the shots that would be the case. But I think he's just being beaten by a better driver. The Malaysia incident may have got some up arms about Webber's treatment again but going by DM's reaction & his laying down the law, that was more of an aberration than the norm. And with DM laying down the law to Horner & Co (even threatening to pull out of F1) I don't think we'll see anything like that again.

Personally I hope Webber moves on in 2014 to another team or to Porsche but he may see the change in regulations as his final chance to match it & possibly beat Seb. He's said recently that he won't continue racing if he doesn't think he can win. As long as he's got the belief in himself then why not I guess.

#147 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:50

Dimi PAPADOPOULOS @f1enigma
We could have a development on Webbers future this weekend. http://www.carsales....o-porsche-37355 (thanks to @antsyd76 for the tip)
Also there was too much movement on who could replace Webber with overnight stories at Independent, Guardian, Telegraph
Porsche confirmed to @MST_ChristianN that they have a driver announcement in the pipeline for the weekend, not naming the driver

#148 goingthedistance

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:52

Rumour has it Mark's Porsche deal will be announced this weekend.

@MST_ChristianN: #porsche #LM24 driver announcement imminent. means that sebastian #vettel will get a new team-mate in #F1 2014.

http://www.motoring....o-porsche-37355

#149 wattoroos

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:11

WOW, What do we reckon Raikkonen>RB, (Hulk or Paul)???>Lotus

#150 Junky

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:11

So apparently we have Kimi, Ricciardo, Vergne and António Félix da Costa for Webber's seat.

Hulk also on the verge?

Edited by Junky, 27 June 2013 - 08:11.