Massaging the figures
#1
Posted 15 June 2013 - 14:07
I guess it's an American site because, surprise, surprise, the U.S. has had more Grand Prix drivers than any other country.
Yeah, right, of course the have. There were all those guys who raced in the American Grand Prix from 1950 to 1959. What's that you say? There wasn't an American Grand Prix until 1959. That's what I thought but apparently we're wrong.
Including all the Indy drivers as Grand Prix drivers is just wrong. Were they included in the World Championship? Yes. Were they GRAND PRIX drivers? I think not.
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#2
Posted 15 June 2013 - 14:14
Playing devil's advocate, many of the competing entries at Indy in 1950-53 were F1 legal I suppose, the odd Novi or 6.6 litre turbocharged diesel excepted.
#3
Posted 15 June 2013 - 14:46
I guess it's an American site because, surprise, surprise, the U.S. has had more Grand Prix drivers than any other country.
...most of whom had also become famous for capturing an Enigma machine.
#4
Posted 15 June 2013 - 14:53
#5
Posted 15 June 2013 - 15:19
#6
Posted 15 June 2013 - 15:22
...most of whom had also become famous for capturing an Enigma machine.
Actually, Robert Kubica stole the Enigma.
#7
Posted 15 June 2013 - 15:28
Actually, Robert Kubica stole the Enigma.
No more incorrect than saying Patrese came close to winning the championship.
#8
Posted 15 June 2013 - 16:17
Actually, Robert Kubica stole the Enigma.
But the British didn't trust him and the other Poles and insisted on cracking Enigma for themselves. The other question is: did they give the results to the US or did they sell them?
#9
Posted 15 June 2013 - 17:10
Yet, nobody complains when Jimmy Clark is listed with 25 Grand Prix wins, or Stirling Moss with 16...
If we're counting Indianapolis 65, make that 26.
#10
Posted 15 June 2013 - 17:48
The person who wrote the article is Romanian, not American. So you probably shouldn't automatically point your finger westward whenever something stupid like this article comes up.Someone on Facebook has drawn attention to the following website: Countries with the most Grand Prix drivers.
I guess it's an American site because, surprise, surprise, the U.S. has had more Grand Prix drivers than any other country.
Yeah, right, of course the have. There were all those guys who raced in the American Grand Prix from 1950 to 1959. What's that you say? There wasn't an American Grand Prix until 1959. That's what I thought but apparently we're wrong.
Including all the Indy drivers as Grand Prix drivers is just wrong. Were they included in the World Championship? Yes. Were they GRAND PRIX drivers? I think not.
#11
Posted 15 June 2013 - 17:50
#12
Posted 15 June 2013 - 18:03
Originally posted by kayemod
If we're counting Indianapolis 65, make that 26.
But surely it's only drivers from when the Indy 500 was a World Championship race?
Which ended, if I recall correctly, in 1960...
#13
Posted 15 June 2013 - 18:18
Well, if it's posted on a British website, I'm disgusted that they just blindly put this info out there.
This is always the best approach to correcting errors. Vilification. Particularly if you can do it on national lines.
Which I've found the Brits are very good at.
#14
Posted 15 June 2013 - 18:22
So they list Brazil as having had 31 F1/GP/Whatever drivers. Among those 31 is Luis Razia who took part in two Friday practice sessions during the era when 'third drivers' were permitted.
#15
Posted 15 June 2013 - 18:26
Formula 1 began in 1951
In 1952 and 1953 Formula 2 became 'honorary' Formula 1
From 1951 to 1960 the Indianapolis International Sweepstakes was an 'honorary' Formula 1 race
World Championship qualifying race = Formula 1 race = Grand Prix = Grande Epreuve
Any race for cars complying with the current Formula 1 but not qualifying for the World Championship was an 'unofficial' Formula 1 race
The term "Formula 1" has always been trade marked
etc
#16
Posted 15 June 2013 - 18:34
#17
Posted 15 June 2013 - 18:39
But then, in 50 years time who will care anyway?
#18
Posted 15 June 2013 - 18:50
My grandchildren I hope BarryTrue, Bloggs, but you know how these things on the internet tend to become accepted as accurate eventually - and that does upset me.
But then, in 50 years time who will care anyway?
#19
Posted 15 June 2013 - 18:58
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#20
Posted 15 June 2013 - 19:06
But the British didn't trust him and the other Poles and insisted on cracking Enigma for themselves. The other question is: did they give the results to the US or did they sell them?
They trusted him enough to make him C.O. of 303 Squadron.
#21
Posted 15 June 2013 - 19:26
#22
Posted 15 June 2013 - 19:28
But surely it's only drivers from when the Indy 500 was a World Championship race?
Which ended, if I recall correctly, in 1960...
That's true of course, but given the original post, this isn't a thread about factual accuracy.
#23
Posted 15 June 2013 - 20:53
Their accuracy in maths can be exemplified by this delightful sentence: "The best Swiss driver in history is Clay Regazzoni, who won three races between 1970 and 1979, four of which for Ferrari"That's true of course, but given the original post, this isn't a thread about factual accuracy.
#24
Posted 15 June 2013 - 21:02
Their accuracy in maths can be exemplified by this delightful sentence: "The best Swiss driver in history is Clay Regazzoni...
Hmm - in a convoluted kind of manner, Rudi Caracciola suddenly springs to mind...
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#25
Posted 15 June 2013 - 21:03
#26
Posted 16 June 2013 - 01:14