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2013 24 Hours of Le Mans - Race Week


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#1001 Anja

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 22:23

Awesome show.
Le Mans brings back almost everything I missed in formula 1

Yeah. I'm not complaning too much over modern F1 but in terms of true racing passion, spirit, atmosphere etc it just lacks so much in comparison to Le Mans.

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#1002 DanardiF1

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 22:29

I agree that Toyota was just not fast enough. But it doesn't mean that their effort or the result were bad - on the contrary.


I don't think that was anything to do with the driving talent though. They certainly got the most out of the car but the #2 Audi was easily the fastest car in the field and once they had that lap in hand could just manage the gap.

#1003 pingu666

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 22:51

the 1 car was mega fast alot of the time too

#1004 OvDrone

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 22:54

That seals it. I'm going to Le Mans one of these years.

#1005 TomNokoe

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 00:27

That seals it. I'm going to Le Mans one of these years.

Eurosport commentator mentioned that its €34 for general admission access to every session (over 30 hours of action)! So much more accessible prices for racing fans compared to F1.

Edit: I looked myself and I have no idea where he pulled that price from, maybe I misheard in the early hours of the morning. Prices still excellent nonetheless

Edited by TomNokoe, 24 June 2013 - 04:24.


#1006 willini

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 03:07

Yes I agree. It's on my bucket list!! I'm thinking I'd like to do the centenary anniversary but thats too long. Maybe 2 visits :p (It's a long way from Australia... )

#1007 Bob Riebe

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 05:14

That comment is just so dumb...

No this comment is dumb-- " I cannot believe how the Aston guys are holding together, not making mistakes, and managing to race after this. Even though Simonsens family specifically asked them to keep on. It must be on their minds. Really amazed by their composure so far."

You boys probably should spend some time in U.S. inner cities where a mega buck racing death would still be a rich mans good fortune.

#1008 Peat

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 05:37

^ You're a cool dude. Aren't you?

#1009 olliek88

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:22

Same should be said for Neel Jani... what a time in the Rebellion car!


Looks like Porsche thought the same thing! Thoroughly deserved factory ride for Neel.

#1010 rjsports

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:35

Interesting I thought he would move to Toyota. But this is great for him, will be very interesting next year but Porsche did a great job for getting him.

#1011 pingu666

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:53

grandstands where open on practise day for all whel I went too
34euro would get you into a wec event tho

#1012 kraduk

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:20

grandstands where open on practise day for all whel I went too
34euro would get you into a wec event tho


I got into Silverstone WEC for free last year with my 5 year old son. Good job to as it turned out he was only interested in the fair ground, which was also free :rotfl:

#1013 Massa

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:53

OF COURSE NOT !!!
Who said EVERY SINGLE F1 driver is an excellent driver overall ?

I would never hire Perez, Maldonado, Grosjean for a 24hr race.



Grosjean was excellent in 2010 at Le Mans.

#1014 Massa

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:00

:up:

Awesome indeed. Its my favourite race of the year, every year, no question. No!thing to do with it being what F1 isn't for me. Nothing to do with it. I just love the immense mental, physical & engineering challenge. And the "gentlemen" mixing it with the big boys!



Awesome show.
Le Mans brings back almost everything I missed in formula 1




Fully agree with you. Le mans is IMHO 1000x better than F1.

#1015 V3TT3L

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:14

Grosjean was excellent in 2010 at Le Mans.

:wave: Yes, I just saying I wouldn't choose him and not that he is useless.


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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:23

:wave: Yes, I just saying I wouldn't choose him and not that he is useless.


I think after your last few contributions it's fair to say nobody really gives your views any credibility.

Edited by Elissa, 24 June 2013 - 11:24.


#1017 JHSingo

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:20

I agree with everyone above - this is my favourite race of the year too. F1 doesn't even come close for the effort all the teams go through just to get to the finish, or the emotion at the end of the race.

More British people attend Le Mans than attend the British Grand Prix. No surprise is it? Better race, better value for money, better event.

#1018 Rinehart

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 17:57

More British people attend Le Mans than attend the British Grand Prix. No surprise is it? Better race, better value for money, better event.


That says it all.

#1019 DanardiF1

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 18:03

Looks like Porsche thought the same thing! Thoroughly deserved factory ride for Neel.


Very much deserved. A potential lineup of Jani, Dumas and Bernhard in one car is one to be afraid of!

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 18:09

I'll be surprised if they don't go for Heidfeld if they are planning on running more than one car, which you'd think they are, plus there's the whole Webber thing that came out a few months back, wonder who else they might want?

#1021 ApexMouse

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 18:15

Surely they would at least test their GT factory drivers.

#1022 Risil

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 18:25

Surely they would at least test their GT factory drivers.


Dumas and Bernhard raced the 991 at Le Mans this year. The others don't have much in the way of prototype or single-seater experience, most is Richard Lietz's two years in F3 about a decade ago.

I think you need someone who's impressed in powerful single-seaters, F1 or not. Hence the importance of DTM and Formula Nippon to the sports car scene. There's a couple of Indycar drivers having disappointing seasons I wouldn't mind seeing in a sports prototype, come to think of it.

Edited by Risil, 24 June 2013 - 18:26.


#1023 Victor_RO

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 18:25

plus there's the whole Webber thing that came out a few months back, wonder who else they might want?


Some unconfirmed reports (again via Radio Le Mans) were mentioning a "current F1 driver" having a seat fitting for the Porsche LMP1 quite recently.


Dumas and Bernhard raced the 991 at Le Mans this year. The others don't have much in the way of prototype or single-seater experience, most is Richard Lietz's two years in F3 about a decade ago.


I can see Marc Lieb being involved with the LMP1, but not on the driving side, more on the engineering side.

#1024 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 20:50

My general admin ticket definitely says €62 on it, however it is still marvelous value, third year in a row going this year, will be back in June next year. It's a week long festival that the race is just a part of.

However, Allan's death has cast a huge shadow over the whole event, so very sad trackside. RIP Allan.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 23:02

No this comment is dumb-- " I cannot believe how the Aston guys are holding together, not making mistakes, and managing to race after this. Even though Simonsens family specifically asked them to keep on. It must be on their minds. Really amazed by their composure so far."

You boys probably should spend some time in U.S. inner cities where a mega buck racing death would still be a rich mans good fortune.


Ah, my comment :) Well, sorry that I am a man of emotions, that I did indeed cry a number of times during the Le Mans. Like they did on Radio Le Mans, like it sounded like Martin Haven did at Eurosport. As Fisichella struggled to not do during his interview during the race.
I guess I should've known that emotions have no place in motorsport :)

#1026 Watkins74

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 03:21

I guess if you like watching people weld guardrails and about 6 hours of running behind a Safety Car it was a great race.

Normally enjoy Le Mans but this year...not so much.

Edited by Watkins74, 25 June 2013 - 03:21.


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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:23

Added this topic about "Le Mans 2014 fuel allocation system" on technical forum. Hope to see you there if you have any information on how fuel allocation rules will be applied.
http://forums.autosp...howtopic=187480

#1028 wewantourdarbyback

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 07:44

I guess if you like watching people weld guardrails and about 6 hours of running behind a Safety Car it was a great race.

Normally enjoy Le Mans but this year...not so much.


Fortunately there were 19 other hours to enjoy as well as the safety car periods.

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 08:35

Dumas and Bernhard raced the 991 at Le Mans this year. The others don't have much in the way of prototype or single-seater experience, most is Richard Lietz's two years in F3 about a decade ago.

I think you need someone who's impressed in powerful single-seaters, F1 or not. Hence the importance of DTM and Formula Nippon to the sports car scene. There's a couple of Indycar drivers having disappointing seasons I wouldn't mind seeing in a sports prototype, come to think of it.


A shout out for Nick Tandy? Been quick in everything he's ever sat in.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:45

ADR-Delta/G-Drive Oreca-Nissan excluded from 3rd place in LMP2 due to an oversized fuel tank (75.4 liters upon measurement, maximum is 75). This promotes the #42 Greaves Zytek (Michael Krumm/Lucas Ordonez/Jann Mardenborough) to the podium.

And in other news, in order to get the scheduling done nice and early, and with the express intention of avoiding a clash with any F1 GP (and the Nurburgring 24h, which is on the June 21-22 weekend next year), the WMSC has decided that the 2014 24 Hours of Le Mans will take place on June 14-15 next year.

I'll be there once again.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 14:59

With the amounts spend on building the cars, I am always amazed when a team / manufacturer manage to place themselves in a situation like this one by ADR-Delta LMP2. Rule is 75 liters, how the heck can you end being in a position after completing the full race of being disqualified through having a 75.5 liter tank?

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:08

With the amounts spend on building the cars, I am always amazed when a team / manufacturer manage to place themselves in a situation like this one by ADR-Delta LMP2. Rule is 75 liters, how the heck can you end being in a position after completing the full race of being disqualified through having a 75.5 liter tank?

:cool:


Not sure, word is that the team had to replace the fuel cell before the race due to some kind of leak/rupture in the original one (which was scrutineered at the start of the week and found legal), and if the new fuel cell was slightly out of spec... Team has appealed the decision, maybe they're going to put forward all their pit reports and say that they never refuelled with more than 75 liters?

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:41

Not sure, word is that the team had to replace the fuel cell before the race due to some kind of leak/rupture in the original one (which was scrutineered at the start of the week and found legal), and if the new fuel cell was slightly out of spec... Team has appealed the decision, maybe they're going to put forward all their pit reports and say that they never refuelled with more than 75 liters?


Is an explanation, but really not a good one. The size of the fuel tank is set in stone, filling more or less than 75 liters will not enter the equation fact is that they allowed themselves to race with an illegal fuel tank, and there really is no excuse for placing yourself in that situation.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 22:37

Can't quite figure out how #7 is still running. LaPierre definitely got out and climbed over the tyre wall. Definitely.


I expected more comments about this. I guess you get away with stuff in the Dakar race, you try it here too.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 22:46

I expected more comments about this. I guess you get away with stuff in the Dakar race, you try it here too.


To be honest judging from eurosport commentary it seemed like no one really knows le mans rules after all?! They were for ages arguing about what the 3 safety car rule is and how it works, then they couldn't agree on what is that rule which specifies how many meters a driver has to be from a crashed a car before you get a dnf...I watched a good 10 hours of the whole coverage, the commentators still failed to educate me on the points above...

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 04:18

To be honest judging from eurosport commentary it seemed like no one really knows le mans rules after all?! They were for ages arguing about what the 3 safety car rule is and how it works, then they couldn't agree on what is that rule which specifies how many meters a driver has to be from a crashed a car before you get a dnf...I watched a good 10 hours of the whole coverage, the commentators still failed to educate me on the points above...


In this situation Lapierre was instructed by the marshals to move away from the car, he aquaplaned off at that point so who's to say that nobody else will? So if the marshals instruct you to move away from the car (to a place of safety) and then the car is towed away from the crash scene to where you are, I suspect the rule is waived.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:48

In this situation Lapierre was instructed by the marshals to move away from the car, he aquaplaned off at that point so who's to say that nobody else will? So if the marshals instruct you to move away from the car (to a place of safety) and then the car is towed away from the crash scene to where you are, I suspect the rule is waived.

Also the ACO rules may depend on where the driver hails from.....

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:55

Also the ACO rules may depend on where the driver hails from.....


:lol: Fair enough, there is that element too. :stoned:

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 19:19

I expected more comments about this. I guess you get away with stuff in the Dakar race, you try it here too.



It's not F1 so the usual forum experts don't pop up to dissect every detail in minutia. There was really only one of those around here last weekend. I liked it that way!