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2013 24 Hours of Le Mans - Race Week


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#51 dau

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 17:08

Yea, looks like we'll get onboards for the race from some of the teams. Guess we'll have to find those ourselves.

Audi: http://www.audi-liveracing.com/
Corvette: http://stream.speedtv.com/corvette
NISMO: http://www.youtube.com/NISMOTV


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#52 Victor_RO

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 17:14

Yea, looks like we'll get onboards for the race from some of the teams. Guess we'll have to find those ourselves.

Audi: http://www.audi-liveracing.com/
Corvette: http://stream.speedtv.com/corvette
NISMO: http://www.youtube.com/NISMOTV


Last year the ACO website had free onboard streaming of the following cars IIRC: #1 Audi, #2 Audi, #4 Audi, #7 Toyota, #8 Toyota, Deltawing, #35 OAK Morgan, one of the two Corvettes, #42 Greaves Zytek and a couple of other GT cars.

#53 D A

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 17:23

Big one for the #57 Ferrari, real nasty imapct. Driver is out of the car and okay.

#54 D A

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 17:27

Probably going to take a while to repair the barrier. The session may be over already.

#55 TomNokoe

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 18:09

I noticed there are 3 qualifying sessions, can anyone explain to me how that works?

#56 Victor_RO

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 18:20

I noticed there are 3 qualifying sessions, can anyone explain to me how that works?


Simple, 2 hours of running in each session, all three drivers need to set times, fastest overall time for the car is taken for grid position. Also drivers need to do 3 laps each (or 5, I think they changed the rules recently and it's 5 laps now) in the dark (sessions 1 and 3 are at night, 22:00 to 00:00 today and tomorrow), otherwise they aren't allowed to race. Besides this, all drivers need to be within 120% of an average of the overall fastest cars, and 115% of the top car in the class, otherwise drivers who do not qualify under those rules may get thrown out for being too slow.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 18:20

I noticed there are 3 qualifying sessions, can anyone explain to me how that works?


Fastest time gets pole. :smoking:

No seriously, they all count for qualifying. They are also used for practice and testing, but when you do a fast run it counts for the grid. Since all 3 of them are 2 hours long there is time enough for everybody to do a proper attempt.

#58 TomNokoe

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 18:37

Besides this, all drivers need to be within 120% of an average of the overall fastest cars, and 115% of the top car in the class, otherwise drivers who do not qualify under those rules may get thrown out for being too slow.

I'm confused! Say the Audi's do a 3:25 for pole. 120% of that is 4:06 so does that all 56 cars need to be within a 4:06? In practice the fastest 458's did 4:07 so would that mean they wouldn't be allowed in if this was quali? Seems like a harsh rule for the slower cars, but I'm sure I've misunderstood it. :lol: Does "average of the fastest cars" mean the average of all the LMP1s, which would be around a 3:29ish for the "average" benchmark, not the pole time? And what is the point of the 115% rule because surely if you're that much slower relative to your class then you're going to be over 120% anyway?

Edited by TomNokoe, 19 June 2013 - 18:39.


#59 Raziel

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 18:51

Can some1 tell me why McLaren are not in this year's Le Mans? :confused:

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#60 Victor_RO

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 18:57

I'm confused! Say the Audi's do a 3:25 for pole. 120% of that is 4:06 so does that all 56 cars need to be within a 4:06? In practice the fastest 458's did 4:07 so would that mean they wouldn't be allowed in if this was quali? Seems like a harsh rule for the slower cars, but I'm sure I've misunderstood it. :lol: Does "average of the fastest cars" mean the average of all the LMP1s, which would be around a 3:29ish for the "average" benchmark, not the pole time? And what is the point of the 115% rule because surely if you're that much slower relative to your class then you're going to be over 120% anyway?


Not sure if it's 120% or 125% of the fastest overall cars, and the benchmark lap for the computation is taken as an average of the qualifying time of the fastest 4 or 5 cars.

Can some1 tell me why McLaren are not in this year's Le Mans? :confused:


There is no McLaren race car which fits LMP or GTE regulations. The 12C GT3 is a GT3 car, GT3 cars and GTE cars are quite different.

#61 Markn93

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 18:59

Can some1 tell me why McLaren are not in this year's Le Mans? :confused:

Was wondering this as well. Was looking forward to watching and consequently supporting them, now just enjoying it for the spectacle, rather than for a team :(

Hope to see a P1 there in the future, should be something special :up: (If not then a Mclaren LMP1 team :clap: )

#62 Raziel

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 19:06

There is no McLaren race car which fits LMP or GTE regulations. The 12C GT3 is a GT3 car, GT3 cars and GTE cars are quite different.


Thanks for clarifying this :)

#63 olliek88

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 20:15

Not exactly news but dayum that Audi is fast!

#64 DanardiF1

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 20:24

What is Duval doing in that no. 2 Audi!?! Whatever it is he is insanely quick!

#65 chrisblades85

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 20:24

Not exactly news but dayum that Audi is fast!


I enjoyed the bit where they cut to an interview.

#66 Markn93

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 20:36

My first time watching properly (watched intermittently last year) and LMP1 cars are awesome . They look so incredibly fast and aggressive, very impressed. Quickly becoming a big fan of this :up:

#67 olliek88

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 20:52

Martin Haven is really starting to grind my gears.

#68 Peat

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 21:01

Martin Haven is really starting to grind my gears.


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#69 Peat

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 21:01

Quickly becoming a big fan of this :up:


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#70 olliek88

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 21:12

I tweeted Martin to let someone else get a word in edgeways...... he just mentioned it!

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#71 dau

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 21:50

TS030 4s slower than the R18s. Could be that Toyota is only working on race setups, but this looks to be Audi's race to lose.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 21:51

That was the most absurd red flag I have ever seen.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 22:16

Looking forward to the race, Go Jota!

#74 DanardiF1

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 22:28

I suspect we've seen overall pole position set tonight. Duval and the no.2 Audi went for it from the word go, and they clearly have a setup they're happy with to go for qualifying times immediately.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 23:16

TS030 4s slower than the R18s. Could be that Toyota is only working on race setups, but this looks to be Audi's race to lose.


Worth noting a couple of things. First, the Toyota seems to go longer on fuel (by 1, possibly 2 laps) which could help them, plus with the forecast, you could get lucky, could get unlucky, could make an inspired choice or mess up. As long as we don't end up behind the SC for hours on end due to rain in the middle of the night though (had some pretty heavy rain this week plus thunder over there) I don't mind, but I would obviously love a repeat of......what was it, 2011 I think where they ditched the 'on the final lap go slow, wave and then turn round at the end of the pitlane' rule and allowed them to race to the end and then do a full post race lap waving etc because the 2 leaders were only around 10 seconds apart (which let's face it, after 24 hours of racing is extraordinary).

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 23:39

Audi will turn down the wick in race trim, so don't expect them to run away at over 2s a lap. But then again they don't need to.

If the Toyota can go 11 laps to the Audi's 10 - Audi would have to make up a pit stop once every 11 stints (110 laps) through pace advantage - so a second a lap would suffice (1 second per lap x 10 laps x 11 stints = 110 seconds to make 1 stop).

If the Toyota can go 12 laps to Audi's 10 it gets closer - They would have to make up 2 pit stops every 12 stints (120 laps) - 1 second per lap x 10 laps x 12 stints = 120 seconds for 2 stops, 60 seconds for 1 stop.

#77 dau

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 23:50

Jarvis said that if the Toyotas can go one lap longer, the Audis would have to be six tenths quicker to make up for that. So unless the TS030 is much closer to the R18s in the race, they won't be threatening the lead on pace. And the quattro will likely have the upper hand in the wet as well, so Toyota can't even hope for rain.

Well, it's still a long race of course. Not giving up hope yet. Just a bit disappointed.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 02:39

Not exactly news but dayum that Audi is fast!

:lol:

#79 mouserat159

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:05

For Austrilan people we could apperentally wach this year' race though the channel 10 website http://tensport.com....e-streaming.htm

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:19



Does anyone have a list of all F1 drivers in Le Mans?

#81 ThomFi

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:45

Jarvis said that if the Toyotas can go one lap longer, the Audis would have to be six tenths quicker to make up for that. So unless the TS030 is much closer to the R18s in the race, they won't be threatening the lead on pace. And the quattro will likely have the upper hand in the wet as well, so Toyota can't even hope for rain.

Well, it's still a long race of course. Not giving up hope yet. Just a bit disappointed.


After Spa, Toyota got permission by ACO and FIA to increase the size of their fuel tank to 76 litre (+ 3 litre). Sport Auto magazine speculates, that Toyota might be even able to stay out two laps longer.

Toyota gegen Audi - Reichweite gegen Speed ?

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 12:58

I know, but two laps would then be worth about 1.2s. That's still not enough.

Anyway, what's the weather looking like? Will we get some more qualifying runs this evening?

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 15:08

Does anyone have a list of all F1 drivers in Le Mans?


LMP1
#2 Audi: Allan McNish
#3 Audi: Marc Gene, Lucas di Grassi
#7 Toyota: Alex Wurz, Kazuki Nakajima
#8 Toyota: Anthony Davidson, Sebastien Buemi, Stephane Sarrazin
#12 Rebellion-Lola: Nick Heidfeld
LMP2
#25 Delta-Oreca: Shinji Nakano
#41 Greaves-Zytek: Alexander Rossi
#48 Murphy-Oreca: Karun Chandhok
GTE Pro&Am
#51 AF Corse-Ferrari: Gianmaria Bruni, Giancarlo Fisichella
#71 AF Corse-Ferrari: Olivier Beretta, Kamui Kobayashi
#73 Corvette: Jan Magnussen
#99 Aston Martin: Bruno Senna

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 15:14

LMP1
#2 Audi: Allan McNish
#3 Audi: Marc Gene, Lucas di Grassi
#7 Toyota: Alex Wurz, Kazuki Nakajima
#8 Toyota: Anthony Davidson, Sebastien Buemi, Stephane Sarrazin
#12 Rebellion-Lola: Nick Heidfeld
LMP2
#25 Delta-Oreca: Shinji Nakano
#41 Greaves-Zytek: Alexander Rossi
#48 Murphy-Oreca: Karun Chandhok
GTE Pro&Am
#51 AF Corse-Ferrari: Gianmaria Bruni, Giancarlo Fisichella
#71 AF Corse-Ferrari: Olivier Beretta, Kamui Kobayashi
#73 Corvette: Jan Magnussen
#99 Aston Martin: Bruno Senna


#98 Aston Martin Racing: Pedro Lamy

and Rossi is quite debatable.

Edited by JRodrigues, 20 June 2013 - 15:17.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 15:49

LMP1
#2 Audi: Allan McNish
#3 Audi: Marc Gene, Lucas di Grassi
#7 Toyota: Alex Wurz, Kazuki Nakajima
#8 Toyota: Anthony Davidson, Sebastien Buemi, Stephane Sarrazin
#12 Rebellion-Lola: Nick Heidfeld
LMP2
#25 Delta-Oreca: Shinji Nakano
#41 Greaves-Zytek: Alexander Rossi
#48 Murphy-Oreca: Karun Chandhok
GTE Pro&Am
#51 AF Corse-Ferrari: Gianmaria Bruni, Giancarlo Fisichella
#71 AF Corse-Ferrari: Olivier Beretta, Kamui Kobayashi
#73 Corvette: Jan Magnussen
#99 Aston Martin: Bruno Senna



#98 Aston Martin Racing: Pedro Lamy

and Rossi is quite debatable.


To add test drivers - or people that have tested an F1 car.
LMP 1:Tom Kristensen, Neel Jani, Nicolas Prost
LMP 2: Mike Conway, James Rossiter, Jan Charouz, Bertrand Baguette, Ryan Briscoe, Brendon Hartley, Ho-Pin Tung
GT AM: Emanuel Collard

I don't think I've forgotten anyone now

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 16:11

According to today's Autosport, Eurosports tv coverage of the race ends at 2:15 on race day, is that just a misprint.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 17:02

I wonder if Toyota are continuing to sandbag (or just run with race fuel etc.) knowing that as long as they sew up 4th and 5th in qualifying (and considering the gap to Rebellion is safe enough to do so) they can then unleash some pace in the race and take Audi by surprise?

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 17:14

I wonder if Toyota are continuing to sandbag (or just run with race fuel etc.) knowing that as long as they sew up 4th and 5th in qualifying (and considering the gap to Rebellion is safe enough to do so) they can then unleash some pace in the race and take Audi by surprise?


Its possible, i find it curious how much slower they are over one lap compared with Audi last year. Maybe they have put all their efforts into race day purely for Le Mans, i hope so anyway, so long as its a good race and that Audi don't walk a 1-2-3 come Sunday.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 17:15

Why even try for pole? I mean, they obviously have, like you say, the spots behind the Audi's in terms of qualifying. They might know they do not have the pace for pole (because we don't even know if the Audi is turned up all the way in qualifying), so spending those extra laps to allow more fine tuning of to race setup and more info on fuel consumption would be beneficial.

But saying that, I think these teams know what their car can do and had a great base setup going into the week that they could probably run the race on a handful of laps just to break in the motor and parts.

I think when the green falls, they battle will be good. The diesel still has the hybrid beat in terms of mileage, and the Audi is a bit quicker in practice, but I've always felt Audi does stretch themselves a bit thin running 3+ cars. That is always a risk for any team in any race, and for arguably the biggest of the biggest, will this strategy finally backfire and cost them?

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 17:16

Its possible, i find it curious how much slower they are over one lap compared with Audi last year. Maybe they have put all their efforts into race day purely for Le Mans, i hope so anyway, so long as its a good race and that Audi don't walk a 1-2-3 come Sunday.


I know Audi have improved the car, but I didn't think it was by this much (and as it stands it would seem that Toyota have even fallen back from last year's hastily prepared car!?!)... So I'm banking on some clever race prep by the Toyota boys.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 17:19

does anyone have an other live timing than the official one? ( http://www.24h-lemans.com/live/en/ )
it's really annoying that you have to scroll to either see LMP1 or GTE

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 17:25

does anyone have an other live timing than the official one? ( http://www.24h-lemans.com/live/en/ )
it's really annoying that you have to scroll to either see LMP1 or GTE


And you can't use the arrow keys to scroll without having to pull up one of the info tags about the particular car you have to click on to allow the arrow keys to work. Which just sticks that tag on the screen and cannot be taken down without starting the process over again.

Wouldn't mind them allowing for options to break grid down based on class. I just want to see the GTE race or P2 or P1.

#93 Wingcommander

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 18:19

Try this live timing.

#94 tyrrellp346wheels

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 18:42

Well according to the British Eurosport's website they will not be broadcasting any of the race after 2:30 Sunday. I hope they change their mind or its a mistake.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 18:44

Doesn't the race finish at 2 on Sunday?

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 18:46

Well according to the British Eurosport's website they will not be broadcasting any of the race after 2:30 Sunday. I hope they change their mind or its a mistake.

It must be a time zone thing. France are 1 hour ahead so 2:30 here is 3:30 in France. The race will be more than complete.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 18:47


it would be no surprise if Toyota isnt putting much effort in developing current car. They may be shifting resources to new car and focusing on reliability with current car. I hope Toyota finish the race without major trouble.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 18:53

You are correct, was under the impression that Le Mans started at 4pm French time but its 3pm this year.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 20:54

What engine does the Toyota use?

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#100 olliek88

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 21:01

What engine does the Toyota use?


Toyota 3.4 L 90-degree V8 Normally aspirated mid, longitudinally mounted.

Apparently.