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#101 micktosin

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 21:28

Can anyone be kind enough to pm me a live link :kiss:

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#102 olliek88

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 21:41

Can anyone be kind enough to pm me a live link :kiss:


Tried this?

http://www.24h-lemans.com/live/en/

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#103 micktosin

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 21:48

Tried this?

http://www.24h-lemans.com/live/en/

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#104 superdelphinus

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 21:55

Surely time for another red flag...

#105 olliek88

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 22:08

Audi are saying they've only been focusing on the race....... gulp.

Great job from Aston, pole in GTE and GT-AM. Someone needs to stick Makowiecki in a LMP factory car, frankly.

#106 DanardiF1

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 22:09

Same should be said for Neel Jani... what a time in the Rebellion car!

#107 olliek88

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 22:11

Here here!

#108 DanardiF1

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 22:35

So now that Toyota showed a little bit more raw pace, the intrigue is really going to be about relative pace to strategy on fuel. This may mean that if it is indeed a close run thing, we might not really know who is leading the race until quite late on...

I suspect Audi have got it sewn up, but I hope Toyota can do something about it.

#109 mongo580

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 23:10

Just a heads up for viewers in Australia. For the first time we get the whole 24 hours. Added bonus it is also in HD. Speed Channel on Fox. Also coverage on Eurosports.
http://www.foxsports...au/motor-sports


#110 BigCHrome

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 23:31

Toyota is 2 seconds slower than last year...

They are proving to be no where near as good as Peugeot.

#111 JRodrigues

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 00:14

And Audi has the advantage of running 3 cars with different race strategies.

#112 pingu666

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:46

any ideas why toyota are slow?

#113 DanardiF1

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:23

No idea. I'm still pondering whether they've got something lined up for race day that'll bring it to Audi. I got the feeling that in qualifying and practice both outfits were basically just toeing the water, seeing if they could lure out the other one. It's the only reason I can think of as to why Loic Duval was so much quicker than his stablemates, that he was the only one to really go for it out of any of the factory cars, nevermind just within Audi.

Or, it could be that Toyota like they did so often in F1 when presented with great opportunities, have out-thought themselves (cast your mind back to Bahrain 2009... a front row lockout and easily capable of challenging for a win with both Trulli AND Glock, and they throw it all away being too conservative, thinking of too many things the other teams could do, whilst continually playing down what they could do.) and are not realising their full potential. Toyota has demonstrated a lot of defeatist attitude over the years.

I'd like to think given their successes last year with a program so early in it's development, that they have something special for race day. I really do.

Edited by DanardiF1, 21 June 2013 - 03:26.


#114 pingu666

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 06:41

I hope they do to. Wonder if audi put most of last into this year too.
but at sebring tthe new n old car had same pace pretty much

#115 Andy35

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 07:08

Baguette/Gonzalez/Plowman OAK Racing Morgan-Nissan


Plowman and Baguette ? Shirley the other driver should have been called Cheddar or PickledOnion ?


:lol:

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#116 GSiebert

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:15

They are proving to be no where near as good as Peugeot.

Peugeot was in the same category than Audi, the diesel category, Toyota isn't.

LMP1 racing and rules are total bullsh*t these days. You just can not put in the same category cars with different engine technologies.
Toyota is a lot slower than Audi this year, what does that mean ? That Audi did a great job ? That Toyota did a bad job ? That the new rules favor diesel engines ? We don't know and never will.
I can't see Toyota staying for long in endurance, they have nothing to gain from it.

#117 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 08:43

New car for the 2014 edition.........

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#118 EightGear

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:05

Toyota isn't as far off as you would think by looking at the quali times. Sarrazin was very fast in the dark yesterday but he was catching traffic every lap. He would have beaten at least 1 Audi otherwise.

#119 dau

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:33

any ideas why toyota are slow?

They are down on power by about 50bhp or something like that. Could also be that they haven't really bothered with fast laps and concentrated on tyre deg and overall race pace.

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#120 muramasa

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:50


Audi has years and years of development in their car and team whereas TS030 is only in its 2nd year. Also it's apparent that Toyota is doing it quite economically. Plus they're still plagued with minor issues, so they might be targeting completing the race rather than absolute position. If they can finish the race without issues, they have good chance to get inside top3, as one of Audis might encounter problem, who knows.

I think LMP suits Toyota and they should remain in the series for long time, by doing it frugal rather than spending spree like their F1 years.


#121 LuckyStrike1

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:53

I must admit I'm a little bit surprised by how Audi and Toyota currently compare for this race. I expected Toyota to look stronger but can't shake the feeling that they still might have something up their sleeve. The drivers seemed quite relaxed and confident in yesterdays session despite being behind Audi.

#122 Peat

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:02

Hour 5 is when we'll know if Toyota has anything or not.

I think they knew they would never get pole, but they had a bit of a gap back to the rebellions etc so they new they could mess around with race practice and still start 'up there'. I hope that Saturday evening arrives and we have a race on our hands.

#123 JHSingo

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:17

I'm still quietly confident we'll see a race of it.

I think Toyota will be more competitive in the race than they have been in qualifying, like they were last year. Plus Anthony Davidson told RLM on Wednesday that they weren't chasing times - they knew they couldn't match Audi for pole, so were choosing instead to concentrate on getting the cars right for the race.

Toyota seemed to be closer to Audi's pace yesterday than they were on Wednesday, so let's see.

The weather could mix things up nicely too. Whilst the odds are stacked against Toyota, nothing is impossible at Le Mans.

#124 froggy22

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:48

watching qualy last night, I'd say Toyota are in a much better position than people seem to be giving them credit for on here. One of the Toyota's was on a lap that was matching the Audi's but came across traffic towards the end of the lap and aborted. But at the end of the day, the race is a different story anyway. The Rebellion cars were better than i thought they would be but i doubt the can challenge

#125 OSX

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 13:06

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 13:56

John Litjens from Toyota was at Eurosport Germany yesterday for the last ~40 minutes of the final qualifying session, he said he would expect them to lose ~2.5 seconds a lap in the race and 12 lap stints would propably not be possible under dry conditions.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 14:09

One thing I noticed looking at the LMP2 field is how many of the cars there could claim some at least very-tenuous Courage ancestry. The ORECAs obviously (since they bought the company), the Morgans seem to be rebadged Pescarolos which were developed as a replacement for their modified Courage C60 (and seem to share at least some visual cues), then the HPD that was an Acura, probably a clean sheet of paper design but probably has some input from the lessons learned when Acura ran an LC75 at the start of that program.

#128 GX390

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 16:34

It would be nice if the Rebellions and the Strakka could challenge, I can't see it happening though.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 17:56

Are the Rebellions running the same motor as the Toyotas? (well sans-hybrid and a few development steps behind I guess), or a totally different config?

Shame the Peugeot motor didn't find its way into any customer LMP1s after the factory team withdrew, weren't ORECA meant to be building a Pug-engined LMP1 (running that customer 908 as a precursor) or did I imagine that? Although I guess that would be out the window now they are now involved in the factory Toyotas anyway.

#130 OvDrone

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 18:18

I'm so hyped for this race. Can't wait for tomorrow.

#131 onewingedangel

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 18:36

Are the Rebellions running the same motor as the Toyotas? (well sans-hybrid and a few development steps behind I guess), or a totally different config?


The Rebellions are running an engine based on the SuperGT.

The Works engine is more optimised for installation in an LMP1 car.

#132 pingu666

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 21:51

50hp is alot to be down, doesnt surprise me tho

#133 DanardiF1

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 23:51

Strakka will be starting 36th now, as their time wasn't within 110% of pole in their class and they got a grid penalty as a result. They say it was mainly down to the electrical issues they were having meaning they couldn't run at full pace.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:28

Any way they'd get rid of the chicanes in future editions of the race?

If they want to promote efficiency there is nothing better than the challenge of the low drag cars racing down 3.7mi of straight road.

#135 GSiebert

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:48

They had to add the chicanes to keep the FIA homologation, no way they'll remove them now.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:49

Any way they'd get rid of the chicanes in future editions of the race?

If they want to promote efficiency there is nothing better than the challenge of the low drag cars racing down 3.7mi of straight road.



Not really, it's much safer.

Since 1990 there have been nearly no fatalities (apart from Enjolras in 1997 in Porsche esses) or really serious incidents.

If you look to the 80's and incidents there.

http://www.86400.fr/historique/64

#137 Lights

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:03

I'm still quietly confident we'll see a race of it.

I think Toyota will be more competitive in the race than they have been in qualifying, like they were last year. Plus Anthony Davidson told RLM on Wednesday that they weren't chasing times - they knew they couldn't match Audi for pole, so were choosing instead to concentrate on getting the cars right for the race.

Toyota seemed to be closer to Audi's pace yesterday than they were on Wednesday, so let's see.

The weather could mix things up nicely too. Whilst the odds are stacked against Toyota, nothing is impossible at Le Mans.

Don't see a reason for anyone to concentrate on qualifying instead of getting their cars right for the race.

#138 Andy35

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:03

The Legends race was good fun, very tricky conditions. Looks like rain for the start so should be interesting and show off the better drivers. Owning a Yaris I will be rooting for Toyota rather than Audi who,s drivers clog up the outside lane of the motorway and who are useless on corners :p


#139 jrg19

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:46

There may be trouble ahead.

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#140 OvDrone

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:50

I'm hoping for a Scottish Terrier win. So effin excited

#141 Youichi

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:55

The race hasn't even started and the Nissan advert on eurosport is annoying me :(

"Nismo - redefining preformance at LeMans" Yeah right, they've redefined it as trying to do one lap ! Muppets.

#142 D A

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 12:56

Nice to see Henri Pescarolo driving the SC

#143 krapmeister

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:02

Toyota looking quick so far :p

#144 GX390

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:02

Toyota looking quick so far :p


Yeah looking good in the wet conditions.

#145 pingu666

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:03

lapiere :D


#146 GX390

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:04

lapiere :D


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#147 krapmeister

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:04

God I love this race!

#148 F.M.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:04

Go Toyota! :D

#149 krapmeister

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:06

Yeah looking good in the wet conditions.


Rebellion looking ok too - kinda keeping up with the following Audis/Toyota

Edited by krapmeister, 22 June 2013 - 13:07.


#150 olliek88

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 13:07

Great start to the race, Toyota are bringing the fight.