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[Jejking]

http://www.motorspor...t-with-pirelli/

As read here, Bernie 'has a contract' with Pirelli for 2014. Bernie = Formula One Management. FIA = Todt. They do the tyre contracts and still no contract there, Bernie also said that with emphasis. What could this possibly be?

Edited by Jejking, 21 June 2013 - 07:43.

[Cool Beans]

Could it be Bernie has a contract with Pirelli for 2014?

[ardbeg]

Pirellis has discovered how difficult and expensive it is to naviaget insode and around F1 and I would be surprised if the signed up for it again in the near future. I assume they check the numbers with the marketing people very carefully. Considering that Bridgestone left although they had a pretty smooth sail without controversies and they won the tire war, I assume the road tires do not get much of a sales boost from F1 presence.

[ardbeg]

Could it be Bernie has a contract with Pirelli for 2014?

For advertising then. Would not be popular with any other supplier
Or maybe they supply tires for Bernies limo.

[ExFlagMan]

As posted in reply to the OP's other thread on the subject, and to back up what last post suggested.

Bernies Pirelli contract is probably the one for $squillions for trackside advertising, though it might be quite funny if another (mythical) tyre supplier came in only to have Pirelli adverts everywhere.

Edited by ExFlagMan, 21 June 2013 - 09:44.

[Cool Beans]

Bernies Pirelli contract is probably the one for $squillions for trackside advertising, though it might be quite funny if another (mythical) tyre supplier came in only to have Pirelli adverts everywhere.

Does this seriously even need to be discussed? If only there was some way to insert clauses into contracts!
Surely Bernie with all his lawyers is capable of putting in a line such as 'contract only valid if you're the FIA chosen supplier of shitty tyres'.

[ardbeg]

Does this seriously even need to be discussed? If only there was some way to insert clauses into contracts!
Surely Bernie with all his lawyers is capable of putting in a line such as 'contract only valid if you're the FIA chosen supplier of shitty tyres'.

I am sure there is clauses in both directions, Bernie chooses which one to highlight at various moments. Maybe he uses the current tribunal hearing to test Pirellis lawyers

[FPV GTHO]

I think it's just said to put pressure on the FIA. Bernir also says he has commercial agreements with the teams despite a lack of Concorde, which is also getting held up with the FIA last I heard.

[lustigson]

This isn't news. When Pirelli became F1's tyre supplier, they subsequently did a deal with Bernie for trackside advertising that outlasted their FIA contract. I'm pretty sure that it included 2014, but I seem to remember that it was even a longer-term deal.

Would be fun to see F1 race on Michelin and all the tracks filled with Pirelli ads. Interestingly, on Dutch TV there's Dunlop ads during F1 broadcasts, too.

[scheivlak]

Does this seriously even need to be discussed? If only there was some way to insert clauses into contracts!
Surely Bernie with all his lawyers is capable of putting in a line such as 'contract only valid if you're the FIA chosen supplier of shitty tyres'.

Why shouldn't this be the task of Pirelli's lawyers? Bernie could get money from both Pirelli and the new supplier this way

[Dunder]

This isn't news. When Pirelli became F1's tyre supplier, they subsequently did a deal with Bernie for trackside advertising that outlasted their FIA contract. I'm pretty sure that it included 2014, but I seem to remember that it was even a longer-term deal.

Would be fun to see F1 race on Michelin and all the tracks filled with Pirelli ads. Interestingly, on Dutch TV there's Dunlop ads during F1 broadcasts, too.

^^^

[surbjits]

For advertising then. Would not be popular with any other supplier
Or maybe they supply tires for Bernies limo.

Hahah very good

[Sakae]

I think Pirelli and Ecclestone-side do differ on how they are fundamentally interpreting existing tire contract and its extension for 2014. (I haven't seen it, but could be some mundane clause which was misinterpreted; for example, you have to give notice to the contractual party that you wish to withdraw your services by certain date, and Pirelli might have failed that, thus they are "stuck", or something similar). There were some interviews published a few months back which sounded to me as being centered on differences and over how the existing contract is being interpreted.

Edited by Sakae, 21 June 2013 - 14:46.

[GSiebert]

Considering that Bridgestone left although they had a pretty smooth sail without controversies and they won the tire war

Bridgestone certainly didn't win the tire war They were miserable in '05 and in '06 Alonso won despite the FIA helping Bridge ...

[ardbeg]

Bridgestone certainly didn't win the tire war They were miserable in '05 and in '06 Alonso won despite the FIA helping Bridge ...

Michelin pushed out with their tail between their legs certainly looked like a win for most. I did not say Bridgestone made a better tire.

[GSiebert]

Michelin pushed out with their tail between their legs certainly looked like a win for most. I did not say Bridgestone made a better tire.

Michelin left because they were not interested in being the sole tire supplier.

Anyway, sorry for the off topic.

Edited by GSiebert, 21 June 2013 - 13:49.

[maverick69]

I was told that they were looking at Michelin WSR tyres for next year if it all went wrong over testgate. The Todt connection and all that.

Then again - a bloke in a pub told me that....... And I cannot rember what pub it was as I was pisshed.

[FerrariV12]

Pirellis has discovered how difficult and expensive it is to naviaget insode and around F1 and I would be surprised if the signed up for it again in the near future. I assume they check the numbers with the marketing people very carefully. Considering that Bridgestone left although they had a pretty smooth sail without controversies and they won the tire war, I assume the road tires do not get much of a sales boost from F1 presence.

They didn't (in the end).

http://www.formula1....ults/team/2005/
http://www.formula1....ults/team/2006/

From 2007 no tyre manufacturer has won anything. Thanks Max/Bernie.

Edited by FerrariV12, 22 June 2013 - 01:09.

[ardbeg]

They didn't (in the end).

http://www.formula1....ults/team/2005/
http://www.formula1....ults/team/2006/

From 2007 no tyre manufacturer has won anything. Thanks Max/Bernie.

The war was not on the track.

[BigCHrome]

I would be surprised if any other well known tire company decides to join the circus known as F1. Their only bet is if some hungry Asian company wants to improve their brand awareness in the western hemisphere.

[HoldenRT]

Michelin flogged Bridgestone in 2005. Michelin and Bridgestone were pretty even in 2006. Some days each tyre was better. Alonso won the championship with Michelin but I can remember more days where Bridgestone were dominant especially in terms of durability but overall it was close.

As said above.. they didn't leave with tail between their legs. They left because they wanted to compete. They didn't want to be in the same position as Bridgestone were or Pirelli are now. They wanted to race.. just like the teams do. Cost cutting (or whatever else) meant that there had to be a sole supplier. Making it an easy choice for them to leave.

And then Bridgestone leaving soon after because it didn't gain much by staying either. They had great tyres but they had sort of accomplished their goal and weren't gaining anything by staying.

Combined with not wanting to sacrifice their brand.. by dumbing down their tyres in order to make the 'show' better. <-- this is the major factor.

Enter Pirelli. And for the first few years, you could commend Pirelli for being willing to do with Bridgestone wouldn't. For making tyres that help F1 was a whole, instead of making tyres to the best of their ability. Even if it makes them look bad in the process.

And then.. in the last 12 months or so.. they've taken it too far. They are too much in control of the show.. the story is ALL about the tyres. And now everyone probably wishes Bridgestone were back again. But the Bridgestones weren't ideal either. Too much in the opposite extreme. Too durable.. too boring.

Everyone always has their own interests.. and sometimes it's hard to make them work together.

I enjoyed the tyre war best.. where they pushed the limit of both grip and durability but unfortunately that's not really compatible with the current economic climate.

[ardbeg]

As said above.. they didn't leave with tail between their legs. They left because they wanted to compete.

I think you forgot the "tyregate", the Indy crisis. Max did not want Michelin in F1 and they had not much choice but to get out as gracefully as possible. Note, it was not the problems at Indy that turned Max against them, it just gave Mr Mosley a good reason give them some public spanking.