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#1 Viryfan

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:32

PARIS AIR SHOW AT LE BOURGET: RENAULT PRESENTS ITS INNOVATIVE NEW POWER UNIT DESIGNED TO THE NEW TECHNICAL REGULATIONS TO BE USED IN THE FIA FORMULA ONE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP FROM 2014 ONWARDS.
THE NEW GENERATION POWER UNIT IS OFFICIALLY NAMED RENAULT ENERGY F1 REFLECTING SYNERGIES WITH THE PIONEERING FUEL EFFICIENT ENERGY ENGINE RANGE USED IN RENAULT ROAD CARS.
THE RACE-INTENT POWER UNIT REVEALED FOR THE FIRST TIME DEMONSTRATES A RADICAL LEAP IN FORMULA ONE POWERTRAIN TECHNOLOGY, ACHIEVING GROUNDBREAKING FUEL EFFICIENCY FROM ITS DIRECT INJECTION TURBOCHARGED ENGINE ALLIED TO CUTTING EDGE ENERGY RECOVERY SYSTEMS AND ELECTRIFICATION.
In 2014 Formula 1 will enter a new era. After three years of planning and development, the most significant technical change to hit the sport in more than two decades is introduced. Engine regulations form the major part of the coming revolution, with the introduction of a new generation of Power Units that combine a 1.6 litre V6 turbocharged engine with energy recovery systems that will dramatically increase efficiency by harvesting energy dissipated as heat in the exhaust or brakes.
The maximum power of the new Power Unit will exceed the output of current V8 F1 engines however fuel efficiency will be radically improved. With only 100kg permitted for the race, the new units will use 35% less fuel than their predecessors.
“From 2014 we will bring engines to the fore and redress the balance in F1. An engine is the heart of a car, from next year it returns to the heart of our sport.”
Alain Prost, Renault ambassador and four-times Formula 1 World Champion
For several years, Renault has used its racing know-how to develop fuel efficient engines for road cars, notably its Energy range. The objectives are clear: maintain or improve driving pleasure, vitality and acceleration with downsized engines to achieve lower fuel consumption and CO2 emissions.
Renault has employed these principles in developing the F1 Power Unit, creating a complete, and genuine, circular development process between road and track.
For these reasons, Renault has named the F1 Power Unit series ‘Energy F1’; clearly illustrating that the F1 Power Unit shares the same DNA as its road-going cousins.
“From next year, one of greatest challenges in F1 will be to maximize energy efficiency and fuel economy while maintaining the power output and performance expected of F1 cars. Renault has pioneered this technology in its road car engine range with the Energy series. Naming the Power Unit Energy F1 creates an unbroken range, from the Clio through to our competition department.”
Jean-Michel Jalinier, President of Renault Sport F1


the sound
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Edited by Viryfan, 21 June 2013 - 11:33.


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#2 weltmeister1995

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:34

Oh nice,I see now why its so expensive...

#3 rhukkas

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:35

Meh



#4 sheepgobba

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:38

OMG SO COOL not....

They sound like GP2 cars.

Edited by sheepgobba, 21 June 2013 - 11:41.


#5 Francesc

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:39

It sounds like a video-game. :down:

#6 Boing Ball

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:51

Well, let us say that it does not quite sound the same as Berger's 1989 Ferrari at Estoril 1989, that I just listened to in Youtube. (Full race available from Berger's in-car camera.) Other than that, it's probably what we expected?

#7 FastnLoud

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:53

Meh



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#8 ivand911

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:54

My vacuum cleaner is louder!

#9 Anja

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:58

Damn, that sound is disappointing.

#10 PaulTodd

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:58

10 seconds of audio and everyone is moaning. The recording sucked but it will sound better out in the open

#11 Cyanide

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:58

That. was. bad.

Sounds very weak to me.

#12 schumimercamg

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:59

I'm sorry to swear mods but that sounds fuc#ing awful

#13 katmen

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:01

maybe I am strange, but i love that sound, very powerful and rich from bottom band

its like sound from future - warp speed engine :up:

#14 schumimercamg

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:03

maybe I am strange, but i love that sound, very powerful and rich from bottom band

its like sound from future - warp speed engine :up:


You're right you can hear the torque but I like to hear them scream.

#15 Shiroo

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:06

You need to consider that it might sounds slightly different when you will mount it up in the car, that has bodywork around it and exhaust is way longer than here probably.


#16 katmen

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:08

You need to consider that it might sounds slightly different when you will mount it up in the car, that has bodywork around it and exhaust is way longer than here probably.

This

#17 Jon83

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:09

I have low expectations anyway. Hopefully it will sound a lot better than that but don't hold out too much hope.

#18 rasul

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:13

I expected it to sound worse, to be honest.

#19 Jamiednm

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:14

It wont sound anything like that!
A 1.2 litre Vauxhall Corsa with a carbon air filter sounds more aggressive than this recording. As has already been mentioned, once these are mounted in to place and are fitted with F1 exhausts, they'll sound fine. In fact, the turbo whistle will add some sexiness.

Edited by Jamiednm, 21 June 2013 - 12:17.


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#20 Topsu

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:15

Link is not working....

#21 Topsu

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:17

Wait, these are actually more powerful than the current engines? Wowzers, I like that!

#22 Jovanotti

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:19

What did the turbos in the 80's, the most powerful F1 engines ever notabene, sound like then?

Stupid people, always complaining :down:

#23 Fastcake

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:35

Wait until you hear them bolted in a car and running before making a judgement.

#24 schumimercamg

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:35

What did the turbos in the 80's, the most powerful F1 engines ever notabene, sound like then?

Stupid people, always complaining :down:


The turbos in the 80's were running circa 1200bhp.

These are half that.

This come across in the sound.

Edited by schumimercamg, 21 June 2013 - 12:35.


#25 Kristian

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:37

F1 cars sound bad on TV, and this is only a poxy internet upload.

I will reserve judgement until they are fired up in the flesh.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:42

I can't load the website. Anyone got an alternate link?

Also a few points looking at the image:

1) Very large turbine housing, the turbo must be designed to extract maximum thermal efficiency
2) Carbon-covered headers? If these are design-intent and not just to hide stuff then that's new...perhaps for ERS?

I want to listen to it!

#27 Scotracer

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:42

You need to consider that it might sounds slightly different when you will mount it up in the car, that has bodywork around it and exhaust is way longer than here probably.


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#28 goingthedistance

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:43

Really hope that sound is not truly representative. Very flat and low.

#29 Wuzak

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:45

I can't load the website. Anyone got an alternate link?

Also a few points looking at the image:

1) Very large turbine housing, the turbo must be designed to extract maximum thermal efficiency
2) Carbon-covered headers? If these are design-intent and not just to hide stuff then that's new...perhaps for ERS?

I want to listen to it!




#30 Scotracer

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:46


Pitch is much lower than expected. I knew with fewer revs (~12,000rpm working limit) and the fewer cylinders you'd get lower pitch but I expected the single exhaust exit to counteract most of it.

Pity.



#31 bonjon1979a

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:47

Like a bee in a lift.

#32 Kelateboy

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:49

Has it been confirmed that engine homologation will only take place in 2018, and that for next year, it's unlimited upgrades for everybody?

#33 Wuzak

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:50

I can't load the website. Anyone got an alternate link?

Also a few points looking at the image:

1) Very large turbine housing, the turbo must be designed to extract maximum thermal efficiency
2) Carbon-covered headers? If these are design-intent and not just to hide stuff then that's new...perhaps for ERS?

I want to listen to it!


The MGU-H is mounted ahead of the compresssor, in the vee of the engine, unlike the unit on the Mercedes-Benz engine shown earlier in the year, which had the MGU-H between turbine and compressor.

I woudl think that there is some heavy duty lagging under those cf shrouds - to maximise the heat being delivered to the turbine. No need to waste heat in the engine bay.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:53

Beautiful.

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#35 bonjon1979a

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:59

Looks bizarrely wide because of the exhausts. wonder if this is to fit the aerodynamic shape that red bull have decided to go with.

#36 PaulTodd

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:59

For anyone who can not get the sound link up It's up on youtube

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#37 Scotracer

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 13:01

The MGU-H is mounted ahead of the compresssor, in the vee of the engine, unlike the unit on the Mercedes-Benz engine shown earlier in the year, which had the MGU-H between turbine and compressor.

I woudl think that there is some heavy duty lagging under those cf shrouds - to maximise the heat being delivered to the turbine. No need to waste heat in the engine bay.


Thanks. Do we know the concept for the MGU-H yet? Is it thermoelectric effect that drives its function?

I haven't been keeping up with it all...

#38 jstrains

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 13:23

Is there going to be just one exhaust outlet or what is the pipe pointing backwards?

#39 Wuzak

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 13:24

Thanks. Do we know the concept for the MGU-H yet? Is it thermoelectric effect that drives its function?

I haven't been keeping up with it all...


MGU-H is a motor generator unit, which is connected to the turbo and can be used to generate electricity when the turbine power is more than that required to drive the compressor. It is shaft driven, can have reduction gear and a clutch (to disconnect it when it isn't required). The MGU-H can also spool the turbo.

That is why the turbine seems large compared to the compressor - they're not matched in the normal way. There aren't any blow-off valves or wastegates either - the turbo speed is controlled by the MGU-H.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 13:25

Is there going to be just one exhaust outlet or what is the pipe pointing backwards?


Yes, only one exhaust outlet, per the regulations.

I suppose if it wasn't in the regulations the exhaust could be split from the single turbo - but I don't see the advantage in that.

Edited by Wuzak, 21 June 2013 - 13:26.


#41 EthanM

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 13:39

alternative source for the 2014 engine sound



#42 Scotracer

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 13:51

MGU-H is a motor generator unit, which is connected to the turbo and can be used to generate electricity when the turbine power is more than that required to drive the compressor. It is shaft driven, can have reduction gear and a clutch (to disconnect it when it isn't required). The MGU-H can also spool the turbo.

That is why the turbine seems large compared to the compressor - they're not matched in the normal way. There aren't any blow-off valves or wastegates either - the turbo speed is controlled by the MGU-H.


Interesting. That (the spooling opportunity) will help cancel out the lag brought by the larger turbine housing. An electric anti-lag!



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 14:30

I reckon that it will sound pretty cool once out in the open air - and in the back of a car. Even the best high rev, mid to high capacity engines sound rather shite when hooked up to a dyno...... in a dyno chamber.

It certainly doesn't sound lethargic and flat like the current Indy V6 turbos.......

Edited by maverick69, 21 June 2013 - 14:41.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 14:43

Yes, only one exhaust outlet, per the regulations.

I suppose if it wasn't in the regulations the exhaust could be split from the single turbo - but I don't see the advantage in that.


The advantage would come from blowing the diffuser.

#45 ATM_Andy

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 14:54

I can't load the website. Anyone got an alternate link?

Also a few points looking at the image:

1) Very large turbine housing, the turbo must be designed to extract maximum thermal efficiency
2) Carbon-covered headers? If these are design-intent and not just to hide stuff then that's new...perhaps for ERS?

I want to listen to it!


It's fine with Zircotec coating.

The ofset turbo inlets will be common.

#46 ATM_Andy

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 14:56

Is there going to be just one exhaust outlet or what is the pipe pointing backwards?


Yup

#47 senna da silva

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 14:59

Andy, is the heat energy recovery going to be significant?

#48 ATM_Andy

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 15:01

Andy, is the heat energy recovery going to be significant?


Yes very... Put it this way, it's a must have, if it fails you'll be out the race.

#49 senna da silva

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 15:04

Yes very... Put it this way, it's a must have, if it fails you'll be out the race.


Thanks, will the power units be employing some new technologies to harness that energy?

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 15:08

Wow! That intercooler is enormous. Will the left sidepod intake be bigger than the right one as the result?