John Snow - Oz - Alfa Romeo 8C-35 just pre-war...
Posted 27 June 2013 - 22:03
Needless to confess - I have never again found that print amongst the stacks of tantalising old motor racing umbala that jam-packs home sweet home.
Posted 27 June 2013 - 23:47
Doug, I recall that on TNF you said that you (or you and DSJ) had viewed "Jock" Finlayson's albums, including the photograph to which you referred, which purportedly showed the 8C-35 in an Australian setting. I checked this as far as I could, but found no other mention of the 8C-35 in Australia. I certainly found nor heard again of any such photograph. Some of this puzzle is summarised in "John Snow Classic Motor Racer" Pp 95--97.
Perhaps Simon Moore knows more?
At least you might know where to start seeking-- in the albums of JD Finlayson. Do you still have these?
Another enigma: a recently-sighted photo of this same car driving through the Brooklands paddock, the puzzle here being the identity of the driver -- Snow, Featherstonhaugh, Ruesch...? Help needed ( I ,like Doug ,couldnt find the pic when I needed it)!
Posted 28 June 2013 - 01:51
listing "interested" drivers,and referring to ...an Alfa-Romeo capable of 130mph. A lead ?
Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:05
Here's the relevant thread, but as usual all the photos have turned into red crosses:
Doug, I recall that on TNF you said that you (or you and DSJ) had viewed "Jock" Finlayson's albums, including the photograph to which you referred ...
Alfa Romeo at Crystal Palace and Donington 1938
Posted 28 June 2013 - 05:48
The Alfa referred to would surely have been the P3 imported by Snow and raced by Jack Saywell
Posted 28 June 2013 - 06:01
Would the red Alfa seen at Phillip Island in recent years with 31 on the grille and a yellow prancing horse on the bonnet be a P3 ?
Posted 28 June 2013 - 06:35
Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:07
AUSTRALIAN RACING DRIVER ABROAD.
Mr. John F. Snow returned to Sydney by the Monterey yesterday after having had much experience of car racing abroad. He brought home with him three racing cars an Alfa Romeo, a Bugatti and a Delahaye.
Mr Snow is a well-known member of the Royal Automobile Club of Australia in England he raced In Lagonda, Bugatti, Alfa Romeo, and Delahaye cars. The fastest of these was a 3.9 litre Alfa Romeo which belonged to the crack Swiss driver, Hans Reusch, and which was hired by Mr Snow in partnership with the well-known English driver Featherstonehaugh. The partners had entered the car for the British Empire Trophy Race (al Donington Park), but in practice Featherstonehaugh crashed at 100 miles an hour. He escaped uninjured but the car was smashed. Previously Mr Snow had done 165 m p h on the straight at Donington. The car weighed only about 16cwt but it developed 300 h p
In company with Lord Waleran (who competed in the Adelaide Centenery race last year, Mr Snow took part in the famous Monte Carlo Rally. They used a Lancia and won one of the major prizes
Mr Snow's best achievement abroad was when he came fourth in the Antwerp Grand Prix (400 miles) He drove a 3-litre un- supercharged Delahaye which runs on 'straight" petrol and which has a top speed of 125 miles an hour. Averaging 78 miles an hour, Mr Snow was only three minutes behind the winner.
SMH - 6th September 1938
64 ENTRIES FOR LOBETHAL ROAD RACES
Superior Quality Of Cars PRACTICE DAYS ANNOUNCED
The Sporting Car Club announced yesterday that 64 entries had been received for the Australian Grand Prix meeting at Lobethal on January 2. As some or the cars have entered for more than one event the entries exceed the number of cars. Nevertheless, it is certain that at least 59 cars will be engaged during the meeting. The entry exceeds by far the numbers received previously either in this or any other State. For the State Centenary Grand Prix a total of 44 entries was received, and for the S.A. Grand Prix last January 35 were received. On that occasion four were refused.
The type of entry is also far superior to any received for any previous road race. An indication of how much this is true is the fact that Colin Dunne, who achieved the fastest lap last January, will receive at least 12 minutes start on the scratch car in this season's event.
A late entry has been received from Mr. John P. Crouch, who will drive a 2.3 litre Alpha Romeo, which was brought back from England recently by Mr. J. F. Snow. This car will not be as fast as Mr. Alf. Barrett's 2.3 Alfa Romeo, but should be almost on a par with Snow's Delahaye, Jack Saywell's 25 Alfa Romeo will, of course, be the scratch car.
The entry is:— Australian Grand Prix.—L. J. Saywell, Alfa Romeo (2.9), N.S.W.; A. Barrett, Alfa Romeo (2.3), Vic.; J. F. Crouch, Alfa Romeo (2.3), N.S.W.; J. F. Snow, Delahaye (3.5), N.S.W.; H. Mclntyre (Frank Kleinig), special (4.5), N.S.W.; Jack Day (R. Nutt), special (3.7), Vic.; C. A. Duune, K3 Magnette, Vic.; L. J. Jackson, K3 Magnette, Vic.; C. M. Joshua (Col. Anderson), Frazer Nash, Vic.; G. Bonser, Hudson special, N.S.W.; L. Burrows, Hudson special, N.S.W.; R. A. Lea Wright, Terraplane special, Vic.; H. J. Berth, Terraplane special, N.S.W.; J. O. Sherwood, Magnette (Ulster), N.S.W.; R. F. Curlewis, M.G. special, N.S.W.; J. H. Summers, M.G. special, Vic.; A. G. Tomlinson, M.G. special, W.A.; J. K. Phillips, Ford V8 special, Vic.; J. Gullan, Ballot 8, Vic.; C. R. E. Downing, Riley special, S.A.; J. S. Boughton, Morgan special, Vic.; A. R. Lehman, Alfa Romeo, S.A.
The Advertiser (Adelaide) - 25th Oct 1938.
Edited by Wirra, 28 June 2013 - 09:47.
Posted 28 June 2013 - 13:56
I think it might be in the AGP book. That car is a touring car.
Edited by Ray Bell, 28 June 2013 - 15:23.
Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:12
Posted 28 June 2013 - 15:22
This would not be hard to understand given the gathering war clouds in Europe...
Posted 28 June 2013 - 17:11
Posted 28 June 2013 - 17:55
I absolutely accept all that, and the probability that the car never left the UK at all, despite the 'Speed' magazine report. However, since that report mentions the Donington incident, and cites the repair as having been completed in Milan, the possibility that Snow's alleged purchase foundered due to the Donington damage becomes unlikely. And I am haunted by the memory of that darned photo...real, misinterpreted, or imagined though it might have been.
Are you thinking of image #7 here
( though not a 8C-35 )