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[bourbon]

That's what I thought about when it happened today!

Guys think about it, he's leading the race 10 laps before end while also leading the championship and all of a sudden his car starts malfunctioning - imagine how much he hopes it will fix itself somehow, he was clicking buttons on the steering wheel probably trying to reset stuff. I don't think anyone in his position would think where to park it in order to avoid safety car instead of trying to bring it back to life as long as there is even the tiniest hope.

It was sickening in the race thread - party time because of his mischief while also calling him an idiot for not searching for a safe place to park it... so much hate just because of his hard earned success

I don't think it is sickening - it is awesome. You know you are the greatest on the grid if fans of the competition are booing your success and cheering your failure (and finding things to complain about even when you are out of the race, lol). Take it on the chin - it is the price of genius.

Meanwhile, like all have said - he was merely trying to restart. When it was clear it was over, he pulled to the side.

[Realyn]

No he wasn't, he had just pitted for new tyres, if the SC hadn't come out he wouldn't have finished 3rd, so Vettel actually helped him to finish higher up.

Yaps, wanted to post the same but thought **** it people don't care anyway.

Before the Vettel crash Alonso was 3 second ahead of Sutil
Then Alonso pitted and was roughly ~14 behind Sutil
SC came out and Alonso restarted in 7th position(fresh tyres) and Sutil on 3th(12 laps old tyres)

[Sakae]

That's what I thought about when it happened today!

Guys think about it, he's leading the race 10 laps before end while also leading the championship and all of a sudden his car starts malfunctioning - imagine how much he hopes it will fix itself somehow, he was clicking buttons on the steering wheel probably trying to reset stuff. I don't think anyone in his position would think where to park it in order to avoid safety car instead of trying to bring it back to life as long as there is even the tiniest hope.

It was sickening in the race thread - party time because of his mischief while also calling him an idiot for not searching for a safe place to park it... so much hate just because of his hard earned success

Same here; track-side reaction today was not much different from incident between Schumacher and Montoya in Monaco several years ago, media reacting similarly.

[BlackGold]

Of course YES

He wanted to help Webber get in front of Alonso to limit his point loss to him.

Webber was at this point in front of Alonso. So no need for this.

Vettel had the transmission problems in the last chicane and stopped the car some 100m later. So, whats the problem? He tried to fixed the gears, like everyone else would do.

Typical Vettel bashing thread...

[Lelouch]

The trolls never fail to impress me.

[Fastcake]

I don't think it is sickening - it is awesome. You know you are the greatest on the grid if fans of the competition are booing your success and cheering your failure (and finding things to complain about even when you are out of the race, lol). Take it on the chin - it is the price of genius.

Off-topic a bit, but no it's not. You can be both popular and successful.

[Skinnyguy]

I think the SC deployment was wrong in the first place. Car wasn´t in such a bad place, I still remember Montoya beached on the curb in Barcelona T3 and guys clearing under double yellows cm. away from the racing line. Not that it was OK, but today was over-reaction. A yellow covering from Club to T1 would have made it.

[Realyn]

Also, pit straights usually have little doors to quickly move cars away in case they stall on the grid.

[FrankB]

I might be missing something that is blindingly obvious... he came to a standstill near the right hand side of one of the widest tracks in the Grand Prix calendar, at a point where the racing line is well to the left hand side of the track.

Was that really a dangerous place to stop? Was a Safety Car really needed? Could the car have been left there for the rest of the race (possibly after being moved closer to the pit wall under yellows)? Or was this just an opportunity to bunch up the field for a more (artificially) exciting finish?

[apoka]

Oh for heaven's sake.

He came down to a the corner prior to the straight. As he came down, he realised he had a box full of neutrals. He was clearly trying to reset the system and jump-start his gearbox again. But for that he needed the momentum from his car. He maybe could have pulled over earlier, but he was fighting to save the gearbox. He could have parked a bit closer to the wall, but I think it would have been SC anyway.

If karne defends Vettel, then you know that the thread is quite hopeless.

[Bleu]

He tried to reset the gearbox.

Question is why didn't we have a SC for Perez' failure since earlier in the race we had one for a identical situation.

Point is they are playing it loose with the safety.

As previous SC had just gone in, there was big gap between last and first car in the queue. When Vergne had his puncture, the cars were much more spread up and there was no real gap where to remove the pieces.

[scheivlak]

If karne defends Vettel, then you know that the thread is quite hopeless.

[karne]

I might be missing something that is blindingly obvious... he came to a standstill near the right hand side of one of the widest tracks in the Grand Prix calendar, at a point where the racing line is well to the left hand side of the track.

Was that really a dangerous place to stop? Was a Safety Car really needed? Could the car have been left there for the rest of the race (possibly after being moved closer to the pit wall under yellows)? Or was this just an opportunity to bunch up the field for a more (artificially) exciting finish?

With the way the tyres were delaminating so explosively, who could tell when the next accident would be? What if someone delaminated and speared across?

[LoudHoward]

The only bad thing about the SC from anyone was that it was out one lap too long; give Webber another lap at Nico and it would've been on like donkey kong!

[repete]

people complain because lap traffic is in the way during SC restarts, now they complain SC periods are too long due to lap traffic unlapping themselves.

[karne]

people complain because lap traffic is in the way during SC restarts, now they complain SC periods are too long due to lap traffic unlapping themselves.

Maybe the solution there is to IMMEDIATELY allow the lapped traffic to unlap, rather than waiting til whatever caused the SC is sorted and THEN sorting out the lapped cars.

Or better, just tell the lapped cars to pull out of line and rejoin at the back, and press a button on the computer to give the lap back.

[repete]

Or just leave them where they are, the leader passed them on track, so the others can too

[DILLIGAF]

The only bad thing about the SC from anyone was that it was out one lap too long; give Webber another lap at Nico and it would've been on like donkey kong!

Yep! I was yelling at the TV for the SC to come in earlier. Would have been a monster win for Webber. Not too disappointed though, happy for Rosberg that he held on for a well deserved win.

[black magic]

well I too thought it was pretty weak attempt at safe stop given it was hardly against the pitwall. despite trying to re set he had plenty of time to park better to the right before pit wall.

given that it wasnt on the racing line however was the safety car actually required.

reprimand/ warn re obligations and move on

[sergeym]

well I too thought it was pretty weak attempt at safe stop given it was hardly against the pitwall. despite trying to re set he had plenty of time to park better to the right before pit wall.

given that it wasnt on the racing line however was the safety car actually required.

reprimand/ warn re obligations and move on

Parking more to the right would not have changed anything. You still need SC to remove car from this part of track. And its not worth even talking about, much less reprimand.