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[FastnLoud]

http://www.sportingl...e/669/8800754/-

Not sure how this is going to work to be honest - only certain teams or can everyone be present at the tests

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

http://www.sportingl...e/669/8800754/-

Not sure how this is going to work to be honest - only certain teams or can everyone be present at the tests

Has to be everyone surely, especially as last weekend it we saw 4 teams suffer left rear blowouts (1 of which also had another which was about to go before a pitstop), another team with a left front gone, and at least 1 other team that sounded like it was on the edge of going had they gone another lap or 2 perhaps

[Slackbladder]

Has to be everyone surely, especially as last weekend it we saw 4 teams suffer left rear blowouts (1 of which also had another which was about to go before a pitstop), another team with a left front gone, and at least 1 other team that sounded like it was on the edge of going had they gone another lap or 2 perhaps

Pirelli better start making those tyres quickly then...gonna need a lot of them

[ExFlagMan]

http://www.sportingl...e/669/8800754/-

Not sure how this is going to work to be honest - only certain teams or can everyone be present at the tests

Let the arguments begin - any bets on the number pages this will run to.

My 2d worth - For this years tyres it has to be a team and driver that has suffered the delamination/destruction problems, so that rules out RB.
Really only leaves McLaren/Perez. Mercedes/Hamilton, Ferrari/Massa of the teams that could afford to pay for it

[Vesuvius]

Hopefully everyone except mercedes.

[ivand911]

Hopefully everyone except mercedes.

I doubt that ,this is not YDT.

[Slackbladder]

Hopefully everyone except mercedes.

Why? Merc already have their punishment on the YDT...

[seahawk]

It would make to let Merc do the tests again. They have the most tire data from this car. But then the other teams would surely complain, not without a reason.

Edited by seahawk, 01 July 2013 - 13:09.

[One]

Pirelli was told by FIA already before the Mercedes testing that such test of using 2013 for their testing, all teams must be invited to do so. Just that it fail out of my memory if the testing has to take place at the same time and the same event at the same venue, or it could be spread through out the season.

Practically Pirelli do not have test team big enough to conduct tire testing using all teams, so most certainly it will be one by one.

As Ferrari have not tested the tire with their 2013 car, Ferrari is most likely being offered one more occasion where Pirelli conduct tire testing by Ferrari's 2013 car.

me think...

[Vesuvius]

Mercedes already did their three day test with 2013 car and most of all 2013 race drivers...letting others do young drivers test with no chance to test anything really because drivers are not ready, is not the same thing at all.

[Lennat]

It would make to let Merc do the tests again. They have the most tire data from this car. But then the other teams would surely complain, not without a reason.

They should not be rewarded for breaking the rules. Let's just have a proper test were everyone is invited, INCLUDING Mercedes. If some teams feel it ain't worth the money they can just skip it.

[pUs]

It would make to let Merc do the tests again. They have the most tire data from this car. But then the other teams would surely complain, not without a reason.

Yes, great idea. Infact all tyre testing should be done by just Mercedes alone. Very sensible and sporting solution

[Gene and Tonic]

Can they not attempt to buy the Hispania chassis from last year? Or were they already purchased by someone else?

[handel]

Can they not attempt to buy the Hispania chassis from last year? Or were they already purchased by someone else?

I think they said it was crap/not representative.

[Gene and Tonic]

Haha, fair point I suppose!

[Szoelloe]

Mercedes already did their three day test with 2013 car and most of all 2013 race drivers...letting others do young drivers test with no chance to test anything really because drivers are not ready, is not the same thing at all.

That's easy no problem at all. If it's 2013 tyres, Mercedes will indeed be there, no matter the moaning.

Yes, great idea. Infact all tyre testing should be done by just Mercedes alone. Very sensible and sporting solution

I agree. A wonderful idea.

[Lamag]

Byron Young @byronf1
Senior FIA sources tell me it is being considered (July 17-19 test turned to a full-blooded F1 test - without Mercedes of course) #f1

[ZooL]

Byron Young @byronf1
Senior FIA sources tell me it is being considered (July 17-19 test turned to a full-blooded F1 test - without Mercedes of course) #f1

Seems unfair on Merc because they didn't get to know the tyres they were testing or change the setup between runs etc.

The IT also made it clear that Whiting's word, FIA lawyer, or even Todt/Ecclestone cannot mandate this test without it going through the WMSC.

[Lelouch]

It seems that the stars have aligned pretty well for Mercedes this year.

[skid solo]

Yes, great idea. Infact all tyre testing should be done by just Mercedes alone. Very sensible and sporting solution

It's funny that Newey is blaming lotus Ferrari and force India for being short sighted when it was Reb bull that protested Mercedes for testing the Pirellis. They came up with a solution for Canada testing with the team most affected which wasn't adopted and ended up in court and now they all want to test. What a friggin merry go round.

[Gilles4Ever]

They will have a hard time excluding Merc

"Mercedes suspended from participating in the forthcoming 'three day young driver training test'"

[F1Newbie]

Basically, They punished Mercedes for something a week later they find necessary to do?

Edited by F1Newbie, 01 July 2013 - 15:25.

[Szoelloe]

Byron Young @byronf1
Senior FIA sources tell me it is being considered (July 17-19 test turned to a full-blooded F1 test - without Mercedes of course) #f1

Alan Baldwin ‏@alanbaldwinf1 2h
@byronf1 Why of course? The tribunal banned Merc from a young driver test, not a general one.

Byron Young ‏@byronf1 1h
@alanbaldwinf1 You've not done many races so probably forgotten Mercedes have already done a full three-day test. We'll see #f1


Alan Baldwin
‏@alanbaldwinf1
@byronf1 Actually, it was a 1,000km test. The number of days is not really relevant. Only went to three because of bad weather.

Matt Somerfield ‏@SomersF1 1h
@alanbaldwinf1 @byronf1 I was having this discussion last night.. Should be banned from 1st 2 days as 1000km at Silvo is roughly 167 laps..

[Lamag]

That's the key point, the sentence from the International Tribunal says Banned from three day young driver training test.

There is no mention about any other test that be put in place by Pirelli, so the sentence do not apply to any other test.

[bonjon1979a]

That's the key point, the sentence from the International Tribunal says Banned from three day young driver training test.

There is no mention about any other test that be put in place by Pirelli, so the sentence do not apply to any other test.

Yeah, I don't think that they can change the punishment after the event. However, for PR purposes I'm not sure Merc will create much of a fuss. Depends what happens in the next few races I would suspect.

[SophieB]

Alan Baldwin ‏@alanbaldwinf1 2h
@byronf1 Why of course? The tribunal banned Merc from a young driver test, not a general one.

Byron Young ‏@byronf1 1h
@alanbaldwinf1 You've not done many races so probably forgotten Mercedes have already done a full three-day test. We'll see #f1


Alan Baldwin
‏@alanbaldwinf1
@byronf1 Actually, it was a 1,000km test. The number of days is not really relevant. Only went to three because of bad weather.

Matt Somerfield ‏@SomersF1 1h
@alanbaldwinf1 @byronf1 I was having this discussion last night.. Should be banned from 1st 2 days as 1000km at Silvo is roughly 167 laps..

"You've not done many races so have probably forgotten..." Wow, Byron Young being his usual charming self. He knows the bloke he's trying to royally patronise is the F1 correspondent for Reuters, right?

I think it will also be hard to exclude Merc if it turns out the rationale given for carrying out the new tests is safety-related. There's both ethical and practical issues with excluding a team who could give relevant data to fix safety problems.

[Lamag]

Never mind, Mercedes will take part of both Pirelli test. They are no idiot to not do it, no matter how much buzz the rivals and the media create around it.

[Atreiu]

Byron Young @byronf1
Senior FIA sources tell me it is being considered (July 17-19 test turned to a full-blooded F1 test - without Mercedes of course) #f1

That would make sense.

Or only letting Mercedes test on the last day so to eliminate safety issue of them racing on unknown tyres.

[Myrvold]

I'm surprised by myself now... I actually find myself kinda fed up, when thinking that Mercedes might get this test after all now. So they basically have had 1k km more running than everyone else, in a testing situation... Not good. Not good at all.

[TIFOlonSO]

Mercedes will not be there or protest. Forget not that Merc and Pirelli insists there was no advantage at all for team involved in these tests ;)

[Zava]

Matt Somerfield ‏@SomersF1 1h
@alanbaldwinf1 @byronf1 I was having this discussion last night.. Should be banned from 1st 2 days as 1000km at Silvo is roughly 167 laps..

that is nonsense, the punishment is supposed to be more severe than the crime, isn't it?

[trogggy]

Mercedes will not be there or protest. Forget not that Merc and Pirelli insists there was no advantage at all for team involved in these tests ;)

1. They didn't.
2. Different test altogether. You knew that of course.

[trogggy]

Matt Somerfield ‏@SomersF1 1h
@alanbaldwinf1 @byronf1 I was having this discussion last night.. Should be banned from 1st 2 days as 1000km at Silvo is roughly 167 laps..

that is nonsense, the punishment is supposed to be more severe than the crime, isn't it?

No.
Read the judgement.

[dans79]

If it's changed from a youg driver test, to a OMG we have a safety problem and we need to fix it now test, No way Merc isn't there. Excluding a team from a test that's all about safety would be a pr nightmare if something happened to a driver that was on an excluded team.

[OO7]

Basically, They punished Mercedes for something a week later they find necessary to do?

Reminds me of a scene from Flight of the Intruder.

[seltaeb]

F1 should line up one 2013 car from each team and let Rubens Barrichello drive them all. He'd get a kick out of it, and he's in Silverstone anyway as a commentator. Why not?

[tomboyracer]

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1 1m
Race drivers given all clear to run at Young Driver Test. Mercedes accepts not to take part. Full story soon

[Timstr11]

So what's going to be done for the Nurburgring?
Revert to the Canada spec tyres?
They should at least start testing the kevlar belted tyres at the Nurburgring.

[Rybo]

If it's changed from a youg driver test, to a OMG we have a safety problem and we need to fix it now test, No way Merc isn't there. Excluding a team from a test that's all about safety would be a pr nightmare if something happened to a driver that was on an excluded team.

This test is all about safety, not about performance. While teams will be able to extract more performance from their car the point is to make sure that tire carcasses aren't flying into drivers, and drivers losing control and risking injury.

[superdelphinus]

Seems unfair on Merc because they didn't get to know the tyres they were testing or change the setup between runs etc.

The IT also made it clear that Whiting's word, FIA lawyer, or even Todt/Ecclestone cannot mandate this test without it going through the WMSC.

Yeah merc's lawyers will be all over that - they are banned quite specifically from the young driver's test, not any other sort of test

[Cyanide]

So Mercedes not taking part in the test. Sounds reasonable, as the penalty they received was nowhere enough, YDT here or there.

[jrg19]

Mercedes will be at the new tests, they are not banned from them.

[SophieB]

Yeah merc's lawyers will be all over that - they are banned quite specifically from the young driver's test, not any other sort of test

Apparently not.
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/108493

Although the Silverstone test is now no longer the official young driver test, Mercedes has agreed not to run there as part of its punishment for running a 2013 car at Barcelona earlier this year when it tried to help Pirelli with its delamination issues.

[Ricardo F1]

And I'm sure they probably wouldn't object to others staying on to test 2014 tyres.

[Kvothe]

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1 1m
Race drivers given all clear to run at Young Driver Test. Mercedes accepts not to take part. Full story soon

Disappointed Mercedes can't run (although I understand why) but hopefully it'll stop the ignorant shouting about illegal tyre test whenever Mercedes so much as beats the other teams in to getting to the race venue.

[superdelphinus]

I find that very surprising to be honest, sounds more like brand protection than anything else

[dans79]

Disappointed Mercedes can't run (although I understand why) but hopefully it'll stop the ignorant shouting about illegal tyre test whenever Mercedes so much as beats the other teams in to getting to the race venue.

You're kidding right, this forum is cram packed with to many teenage fan boys from other teams for that to happen.

[SR388]

Disappointed Mercedes can't run (although I understand why) but hopefully it'll stop the ignorant shouting about illegal tyre test whenever Mercedes so much as beats the other teams in to getting to the race venue.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I wish they could run.

[Massa_f1]

Yeah, I feel the same way. I wish they could run.

They already have. Other teams are just catching up.

[Cyanide]

Disappointed Mercedes can't run (although I understand why) but hopefully it'll stop the ignorant shouting about illegal tyre test whenever Mercedes so much as beats the other teams in to getting to the race venue.

Please. Just because you're blinded by Merc's PR and Ross Brawn's words claiming they haven't learnt anything from the test, doesn't mean everybody else is too.

It's a sensible decision, at least others will catch up.