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[Dunc]

There are a lot of F1 records out there held by drivers from every generation. Which do you think will pass to the hands of the current crop of drivers?

I think the following three will go:

Longest gap between WDCs: Currently seven years (1977 & 1984) by Lauda but I reckon Alonso will break this, unless Ferrari make some serious progress this season.

Longest gap between wins: Also seven years (1983 and 1990) by Riccardo Patrese. My bet is that Massa will, eventually, have this honour. Maybe Maldonado as well.

Most seasons in F1: Currently 18 (1993-2011) by Woobens but I can see Button taking this.

Any other thoughts?

[Collombin]

Longevity ones, no doubt. And all points ones will of course be shattered under the latest system.

I think the % records are probably on much safer ground though.

[sennafan]

Vettel winning 6 wdc in a row.

[George Costanza]

I don't think anyone is touching Michael Schumacher's win total or fastest laps...

I agree about the WDC, Fernando stands the best shot for the longest drought to end it, but we shall see.

Edited by George Costanza, 04 July 2013 - 16:00.

[Vesuvius]

Schumachers pole record could get broken by Vettel or Hamilton but it's not easy to do as they would have the equipment good enough for that for many years.

Edited by Vesuvius, 04 July 2013 - 16:10.

[joshb]

Most poles will go, probably Vettel or Hamilton (both to beat it, machinery dictates who is higher)
Most Starts- Button, Vettel, Hamilton possibly
Longest gap between titles- as mentioned, Alonso is close, Hamilton could get close- maybe Vettel will have a big drought and win another
Most points (due to the modern system- Vettel has the best chance to go outright top)

Hopefully most wins, fastest laps, most consecutive titles and most titles will go to Vettel too!

[Zoetrope]

Lewis Hamilton advancing to Q3 in Qualifying 63 times consecutively. Well, Q3 is relatively new invention, so it's only natural that young generation claimed this record

[Jackmancer]

All the 'youngest' will be broken, except maybe 'youngest triple WDC', cause what Vettel did is pretty remarkable. Youngest test driver, youngest GP starter, youngest race winner.

[garoidb]

There are a lot of F1 records out there held by drivers from every generation. Which do you think will pass to the hands of the current crop of drivers?

I think the following three will go:

Longest gap between WDCs: Currently seven years (1977 & 1984) by Lauda but I reckon Alonso will break this, unless Ferrari make some serious progress this season.

Even if he wins this year, he will have equalled it. The only way to avoid it is to never win the WDC again. What is the record for years in F1 (possibly including break years) after winning the title without winning another? Jacques Villeneuve would have seven full seasons plus some partial seasons (2004, 2006) IIRC. Emerson would have had six, Graham Hill around seven. Schumacher had five actual seasons, but was in F1 eight years after his last WDC win. John Surtees had his last F1 race around eight years after his WDC win. Have I missed any others?

Edit: Has Nigel Mansell actually retired?

Edited by garoidb, 04 July 2013 - 18:00.

[Collombin]

Denny Hulme stuck around quite a while.

[Rob G]

Lewis Hamilton advancing to Q3 in Qualifying 63 times consecutively. Well, Q3 is relatively new invention, so it's only natural that young generation claimed this record

That could be expanded to most consecutive top-ten qualifying positions. By my count Senna ended his career with 147 in a row, but I don't know if anyone had more.

[Zoetrope]

http://statsf1.com/e...ues/pilote.aspx

Some records I come up with:
Vettel 18 wins at different Grand Prix (Schumacher 22) - Vettel still to win Germany, USA, Hungary and one more (either new circuit like New Jersey or return of a classic track)
Raikkonen 27 x 3rd on the podium, Alonso 26 x 3rd (Barrichello 28)
Hamilton 3 time winner in Hungary (Schumacher 4)
Button 3 time winner in Melbourne (Schumacher 4)
Vettel and Alonso already matching Kuala Lumpur record (Schumacher 3)
Hamilton and Vettel 53 times on the front row (Schumacher 116)
Alonso 2 time Vice-champion (Prost, Moss 4)
Button 174 race finishes, Alonso 170 (Schumacher 237) - If they can go for 4,5 years more, depending on their luck to have proper car, it's up for grabs. If Alonso drives for 4 more seasons, he will also equal record of the most consecutive seasons (Schumacher 15 years)

One record that will never be broken is 22 consecutive retirements from the race by De Cesaris (Australia 1986 - Canada 1988). I checked his scores, and this is either mistake in the database, or I don't understand something here. But well, at least 14 consecutive retirements from Ivan Cappeli seems right and also unimaginable to beat it with todays reliability.

[Beamer]

http://statsf1.com/e...ues/pilote.aspx

Some records I come up with:
Vettel 18 wins at different Grand Prix (Schumacher 22) - Vettel still to win Germany, USA, Hungary and one more (either new circuit like New Jersey or return of a classic track)
Raikkonen 27 x 3rd on the podium, Alonso 26 x 3rd (Barrichello 28)
Hamilton 3 time winner in Hungary (Schumacher 4)
Button 3 time winner in Melbourne (Schumacher 4)
Vettel and Alonso already matching Kuala Lumpur record (Schumacher 3)
Hamilton and Vettel 53 times on the front row (Schumacher 116)
Alonso 2 time Vice-champion (Prost, Moss 4)
Button 174 race finishes, Alonso 170 (Schumacher 237) - If they can go for 4,5 years more, depending on their luck to have proper car, it's up for grabs. If Alonso drives for 4 more seasons, he will also equal record of the most consecutive seasons (Schumacher 15 years)

One record that will never be broken is 22 consecutive retirements from the race by De Cesaris (Australia 1986 - Canada 1988). I checked his scores, and this is either mistake in the database, or I don't understand something here. But well, at least 14 consecutive retirements from Ivan Cappeli seems right and also unimaginable to beat it with todays reliability.

Checked forix and that de cesaris record seems to be right!

Edited by Beamer, 04 July 2013 - 19:11.

[Collombin]

Most consecutive top 3 finishes in WDC - Vettel 4 (surely 5 this year) (Moss, Schumacher 7)

[Lemans]

Dumbest tattoos.

[garoidb]

Denny Hulme stuck around quite a while.

Yes, well spotted. It was also about seven years if I am not mistaken.

[Kyo]

Sutil is already the 3rd driver with most gps without a podium (98). 20 more and he will be equal to Pierluigi Martini (118).

[George Costanza]

Schumachers pole record could get broken by Vettel or Hamilton but it's not easy to do as they would have the equipment good enough for that for many years.

Of course, Schu would have never been the pole holder if Senna hadn't died...

I can reasonably conclude, given the 1994-1995-1996 Williams were far quicker than any other car, he would have gotten 90-100 poles.

Senna in the 1995 Williams would have been something, given DC and Damon got most of the poles that season, (Schu only had 4 poles that year).

Edited by George Costanza, 04 July 2013 - 20:13.

[George Costanza]

http://statsf1.com/e...ues/pilote.aspx

Some records I come up with:
Vettel 18 wins at different Grand Prix (Schumacher 22) - Vettel still to win Germany, USA, Hungary and one more (either new circuit like New Jersey or return of a classic track)
Raikkonen 27 x 3rd on the podium, Alonso 26 x 3rd (Barrichello 28)
Hamilton 3 time winner in Hungary (Schumacher 4)
Button 3 time winner in Melbourne (Schumacher 4)
Vettel and Alonso already matching Kuala Lumpur record (Schumacher 3)
Hamilton and Vettel 53 times on the front row (Schumacher 116)
Alonso 2 time Vice-champion (Prost, Moss 4)
Button 174 race finishes, Alonso 170 (Schumacher 237) - If they can go for 4,5 years more, depending on their luck to have proper car, it's up for grabs. If Alonso drives for 4 more seasons, he will also equal record of the most consecutive seasons (Schumacher 15 years)

One record that will never be broken is 22 consecutive retirements from the race by De Cesaris (Australia 1986 - Canada 1988). I checked his scores, and this is either mistake in the database, or I don't understand something here. But well, at least 14 consecutive retirements from Ivan Cappeli seems right and also unimaginable to beat it with todays reliability.

That's an incredible stat.

[spacekid]

Most consecutive top 3 finishes in WDC - Vettel 4 (surely 5 this year) (Moss, Schumacher 7)

If Schumi hadn't had his crash in 1999 he would be at 9, and without his DQ from Jerez 13. Thats a long way ahead of anyone else. He was also 3rd in his first full season in 1992.

I know that if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass when it hops, but thats still a mighty long time at the top.

This generations drivers get millions of points each race, so any record involving points I would expect to go. It also really wouldn't surprise me if Seb broke Michaels WDC record. If Red Bull can design a winning car for 2014 I also think the record of 5 in a row could be at risk.

Fortunately I've decided that the most important stat of all is race wins, and I think thats safe.

[Collombin]

If Schumi hadn't had his crash in 1999 he would be at 9

To which my predictable response is "if Moss hadn't had his crash in 1962....."

I prefer the % strike rate stats rather than aggregate totals anyway, although both have a spectacular propensity to mislead when comparing drivers and eras.

[joshb]

Lewis Hamilton advancing to Q3 in Qualifying 63 times consecutively. Well, Q3 is relatively new invention, so it's only natural that young generation claimed this record

is that what it currently stands at? I'm guessing the last one was Malaysia 2010?

[Andrew Hope]

"If Schumi hadn't had his crash". If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle. Speculating is fine but ultimately meaningless unless a current driver is on pace to match old records. How about Heidfeld's record for starts without a win? Who do we have today that could stick around for 10 seasons but might not ever win a GP? di Resta?

Edited by Andrew Hope, 04 July 2013 - 21:26.

[joshb]

Most consecutive top 3 finishes in WDC - Vettel 4 (surely 5 this year) (Moss, Schumacher 7)

Most consecutive top 2 finishes in WDC- Schumi was 3rd in 05 I think so his run ends at 5- Seb is on 4 now

[spacekid]

"If Schumi hadn't had his crash". If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle. Speculating is fine but ultimately meaningless unless a current driver is on pace to match old records. How about Heidfeld's record for starts without a win? Who do we have today that could stick around for 10 seasons but might not ever win a GP? di Resta?

Good grief. I also said;

I know that if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass when it hops, but thats still a mighty long time at the top.

Its not that serious

Edited by spacekid, 04 July 2013 - 21:32.

[joshb]

That's an incredible stat.

Yeah and of them 53 It's been HAM/VET or VET/HAM probably 30+ times surely

[joshb]

One record which will take some beating-

Shortest time elapsed before getting a penalty!
If Maldonado/Grosjean couldn't do it....

[scheivlak]

Checked forix and that de cesaris record seems to be right!

And before that, Andrea had 12-race string of retirements in 1982 and a 18-race string of retirements from France 1985 to Portugal 1986!

He retired 148 Grand Prix out of 208 starts, which must be some record itself.

[mattferg]

Most WDCs: Wouldn't be suprised if Vettel can just clinch 8 by the time he's Webber's age

As for the WDC gap, I don't see Alonso winning another one tbh, Ferrari seems to have continuous struggles and I don't see him going anywhere after 2016. My bet is Mercedes and Red Bull to dominate 2014, then mix it with McLaren for the next two seasons thereafter.

[garoidb]

Most WDCs: Wouldn't be suprised if Vettel can just clinch 8 by the time he's Webber's age

As for the WDC gap, I don't see Alonso winning another one tbh, Ferrari seems to have continuous struggles and I don't see him going anywhere after 2016. My bet is Mercedes and Red Bull to dominate 2014, then mix it with McLaren for the next two seasons thereafter.

Could happen. Fortunately, he has two already. I just wonder whether the Alonso/Ferrari partnership will continue until 2016 if titles are not in prospect.

[chr1s]

Denny Hulme stuck around quite a while.

Hulme was champion in 1967 and retired seven seasons later at the end of 1974.

[Clatter]

Don't see anyone beating Jim Clarks record for Grand Chelems.

[JeePee]

One record which will take some beating-

Shortest time elapsed before getting a penalty!
If Maldonado/Grosjean couldn't do it....

Didn't Vettel get a penalty for speeding in the pitlane the first moment he ever got out of a pitbox during a GP weekend? Fastest penalty a driver ever got if I remember correctly.

[mattferg]

Could happen. Fortunately, he has two already. I just wonder whether the Alonso/Ferrari partnership will continue until 2016 if titles are not in prospect.

I'm not sure where else competitive he could go. Mercedes is the only place I see, and he won't want to be paired with Hamilton again. Vettel will have Red Bull (who probably wouldn't take him or he wouldn't want to go) McLaren's a definite no-go and unless Lotus get the sort of money they had in the Renault days it'd just be a downgrade.

[Deluxx]

Tires popped in one season

[Meanbeakin]

One record that will never be broken is 22 consecutive retirements from the race by De Cesaris (Australia 1986 - Canada 1988). I checked his scores, and this is either mistake in the database, or I don't understand something here. But well, at least 14 consecutive retirements from Ivan Cappeli seems right and also unimaginable to beat it with todays reliability.

Guys he was called "DeCrasheris" for a reason

[holiday]

There are a lot of F1 records out there held by drivers from every generation. Which do you think will pass to the hands of the current crop of drivers?

Definitely,

- tweeting the most irrelevant BS.

- being most shallow and irrelevant in interviews.

- being the most boring in lifestyle.

Once drivers were SOBs, rough characters, today they are all warped into the ideal son-in-law figures.

But I don't blame them. The scrutiny of the mass media and the hysteria of political correctness make outspokenness today a PR suicide. So better shut up than have constantly bigot pundits on your heels.

[Zippel]

If Schumi hadn't had his crash in 1999 he would be at 9, and without his DQ from Jerez 13. Thats a long way ahead of anyone else. He was also 3rd in his first full season in 1992.

And if Senna hadn't crashed...

[Collombin]

I think Senna was only 4th in 1992 though, so his streak would only just have got started.

[Nobody]

Is there a record for whining?

[garoidb]

I'm not sure where else competitive he could go. Mercedes is the only place I see, and he won't want to be paired with Hamilton again. Vettel will have Red Bull (who probably wouldn't take him or he wouldn't want to go) McLaren's a definite no-go and unless Lotus get the sort of money they had in the Renault days it'd just be a downgrade.

I would imagine that Ferrari would swoop for Vettel, leading to a merry-go-round. I wouldn't bet against his being back at McLaren some day either. They really need someone like him at the moment.

[V3TT3L]

http://statsf1.com/e...ues/pilote.aspx

Some records I come up with:
If Alonso drives for 4 more seasons, he will also equal record of the most consecutive seasons (Schumacher 15 years)

Barrichello has 19 consecutive seasons [1993-2011]
Maybe your stat is WDC driver with most...

Other stats are [because they are still stretching it]:

> Most consecutive GP points scorer: Kimi [again, this stat is biased towards the top P10 point soring system, instead of the top P6]
> Most consecutive GPs without a DNF by accident: Vettel. [59 GPs, since Turkey 2010].

Edited by V3TT3L, 05 July 2013 - 07:47.

[sopa]

Who do we have today that could stick around for 10 seasons but might not ever win a GP? di Resta?

First lets see, what Sutil can do. As someone wrote above, he already has almost 100 starts. And Sutil is in such state in his career that top teams don't quite want him any more, so it is the matter of for how long can he hang around in midfield teams. And whether he can still find money (like Medion was) to stay there for years to come.

[Zoetrope]

Barrichello has 19 consecutive seasons [1993-2011]
Maybe your stat is WDC driver with most...

Sorry, my bad. Wanted to write "consecutive seasons with a podium scored"

[V3TT3L]

Sorry, my bad. Wanted to write "consecutive seasons with a podium scored"

No prob.

Please don't take away the only F1 Stat left for Rubens

[SenorSjon]

Most seasons in F1: Currently 18 (1993-2011) by Woobens but I can see Button taking this.

Any other thoughts?

Schumachter was 1991-2006 (16) and 2010-2012 (3) = 19 seasons? Or is it full seasons where Schumacher started late '91 and was injured part of '99?

Of course, Schu would have never been the pole holder if Senna hadn't died...

I can reasonably conclude, given the 1994-1995-1996 Williams were far quicker than any other car, he would have gotten 90-100 poles.

Senna in the 1995 Williams would have been something, given DC and Damon got most of the poles that season, (Schu only had 4 poles that year).

Schumacher would have had more poles if they weren't screwing around with the qualy system from 2002(?) onwards.


Any point streaks are irrelevant for me now. The longest point run from Kimi is also achieved with the top10-gets-points system in an age where reliability is key.

[7MGTEsup]

That's an incredible stat.

If you think thats impressive, Fangio started 92% of his races from the front row.

[HistoryFan]

Interesting thread

[HistoryFan]

wins for different teams:
Räikkönen (3 now, perhaps 4 in future if he moves to Red Bull), I think that's record???

[PorcupineTroy]

wins for different teams:
Räikkönen (3 now, perhaps 4 in future if he moves to Red Bull), I think that's record???

Prost has four, and Fangio has five I believe.