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[RA Historian]

What happen in the Historic F1 Race?

F-1 cars ran with the F-5000 cars. Split start, with F-1 cars half a lap behind. They almost caught up, with the leading F-1 cars finishing third and fourth overall. First F-1 was James King in a March 761 with Duncan Dayton right behind him in a Lotus 79.

[David M. Kane]

F-1 cars ran with the F-5000 cars. Split start, with F-1 cars half a lap behind. They almost caught up, with the leading F-1 cars finishing third and fourth overall. First F-1 was James King in a March 761 with Duncan Dayton right behind him in a Lotus 79.

Thanks RA Historian, sounds like they had fun. James and Duncan are great friends so I'm sure they had a cold one along with Howard Cherry. He usually has a cooler filled with Heinekins.

[smbrm]

A great event and weekend. Met and talked to lots of interesting owners, drivers, mechanics, helpers, spectators and of course TNF'ers! A very friendly atmosphere. Saw awesomely restored cars too!

[Duc-Man]

BTW: where does the name 'The Hawk' come from? That sounds about as silly as the name of that other event 'The Mitty'.

[David M. Kane]

BTW: where does the name 'The Hawk' come from? That sounds about as silly as the name of that other event 'The Mitty'.

The race is now sponsored by Hawk, they make brake pads, etc. They simply replaced Kohler, the local company who was the longtime sponsor.

It's a branding move I suspect.

[Jerry Entin]

Jerry Entin at Elkhart Lake in the Bob and Paula Hardison owned McLaren Mk 2

We arrived on Wednesday and Ike Smith was speaking at a CanAm Forum held at the Victorian Village for the Elkhart Lake Historical society. I had a great time driving my old McLaren which is owned by Bob and Paula Hardison of the Phoenix area.

Edited by Jerry Entin, 25 July 2013 - 13:15.

[Jerry Entin]

CanAm cars lined up for the Friday night Welcome Party
This effort was put together by Pam Shatraw of Victory Lane Magazine.

Edie Arrowsmith's Mk 1 McLaren and more of the CanAm cars
The Road America track had a great Party on Friday night for all the workers and crew and drivers. Lots of great food and you got to meet everyone. A great start to the weekend.

Edited by Jerry Entin, 28 July 2013 - 01:17.

[Gokart Mozart]

We had a wonderful weekend and were visited by more TNF members than you could shake a stick at! It was wonderful to meet so many of you.

Steve Welk drove UMW's 1968 LeGrand Mk7 in the Friday night parade downtown; I know we scared up some onlookers upon leaving when the engine came to life and nobody was paying attention. It was rather humorous to us...

This was the car's first outing in Peter Botsford's BRE racing team colors since September of 1968, and it was very much a great time capsule piece through-and-through. Welk suffered oil pressure issues in the heat race warmup lap and immediately shut the motor off, coasting down the escape road in T5, and the car was on display for the rest of the weekend. Furthermore, we got to do a photo shoot with John Boxhorn's newly-restored '68 Mk7A, which was parked next to us for the weekend with the rest of his beautiful cars. Those photos can be found below. The LeGrand was overall well-received and the hard work was well worth it. The car placed third in the Hagerty Youth Judging, so that was very much icing on the cake. More news on its next outing coming soon!

As for my journey in AAR Eagle #7225, our mechanic/driver Paul Jay drove the car in the Friday night parade downtown, and the pace of it all got the engine a bit warm. For the rest of the weekend, we had some issues keeping the motor happy, to the point were I couldn't keep it running past the Sargento bridge. More fine-tuning is in order, but reaching 6000 rpm with an Offy is something I'll never forget. Its as if someone stuck a shotgun to your back and blew you into the next room. It all comes on in one big hit. Regardless, my first time driving #7225 is something I'll never forget. From the little time I had behind the wheel, I can see why it was so successful; very easy to steer and navigate the cockpit; though seeing through the small windows under the rear wing require a bit of getting used to.

Everyone said the hardest part is actually getting an Offy out of the pits without stalling, but I found it to be somewhat second-nature. The hard part was finding third gear, which is right next to the cowl and requires the driver to turn his/her hand 180 degrees counter-clockwise to get the car in gear. I give those who went 10/10ths in the day a lot of credit, there is a lot going on between just driving the car, let alone minding the gauges, dealing with the vibration and double-vision caused by the lower RPMs of an Offy and those other pesky cars around you!

The biggest surprise of the weekend to us was the attention that our 1976 Eagle 'Deluxe Square Back' BMX bike received. Many people did not know Dan Gurney lent his name and some of AAR's knowledge base to the small All-American BMX company in Gardena, California, and thus it was great to bring out the smallest Eagle at the track and showcase something that is a bit off the radar.

My photos from the weekend can be found here: http://www.flickr.co...57634785677472/

Respectfully Yours,

Jacques N. Dresang
UMW
www.uemsimotorwerks.com
UMW on Facebook: https://www.facebook...154498101234356

Edited by Gokart Mozart, 25 July 2013 - 14:33.

[Duc-Man]

The race is now sponsored by Hawk, they make brake pads, etc. They simply replaced Kohler, the local company who was the longtime sponsor.

It's a branding move I suspect.

I didn't think about the main sponsor. Now it makes sense.

[sblick]

Had a great time as always. Thursday and Friday were oppressive weather wise but the weekend was perfect. Like to thank "Victory Lane" for their great hospitality this weekend also. Thanking Hawk for underwriting this event is also in order. If you were lucky enough Hawk gave away 100 sets of pads to the racing community.
Our cars didn't run perfect this weekend but we had a good time. Our Lola Can Am broke a piece on the A arm that supported the shock and missed two sessions until a new one could be flown out. New A arm and 4 seconds a lap faster The McKee Can Am suffered from brake induced steering shimmy all weekend and in the final session dropped a cylinder. One spark plug forgot the spark part. Our Lotus 19 Monte Carlo ran pretty flawless though.

[Jerry Entin]

Some of the Great food at the Welcome Party

Food table before the covers came off, or as they say The quite before the Storm

Edited by Jerry Entin, 26 July 2013 - 05:39.

[Jerry Entin]

There were cold cuts and hot dishes and a Free Bar with soft drinks and beer and wine. Mixed drinks were not free.
There also was an ice cream station where you could make your own sundaes. All very nice.

Edited by Jerry Entin, 26 July 2013 - 05:40.

[Jerry Entin]

Brian Redman talking to F-5000 driver Barry Blackmore
This was at the Friday Welcome Party

[David M. Kane]

Some of the Great food at the Welcome Party

Food table before thew covers came off, or as they say The quite before the Storm

They don't mess around in Wisconsin...maybe next year.

[Jerry Entin]

Jerry Entin and Jim Gustafson and Mark Salyer
I was delighted to have Jim Gustafson and his sisters and brother in law as our pit neighbors. Mark Salyer came by to visit and to see his dad Ralph Salyer's McLaren Mk 1, which was in out pits. Chris Hines of Arrowlane Restorations brought the Edie Arrowsmith owned McLaren Mk 1 Cro Sal Special to the event. Edie was unable to attend due to health issues with her mother.


photo: Tom Schultz

[racinggeek]

First, thanks to RA Historian for graciously allowing me to share a shady spot at the St. John's concession stand during lunch Friday, and for an interesting conversation with him, fellow poster smbrm and another photographer gentleman. The shade was needed Friday, too -- 95 degrees F, I believe, and I generally walk to all my photo spots, meaning I cover anywhere from four to six miles up and down the hills and dales of Road America. In the afternoon, I think my sunscreen was turning into little balls of vulcanized rubber on my arms

Hope it's OK to put in a link to my racing blog, but I haven't gone to a photo-sharing site yet, and this post does have photos of Jerry Entin/Bob Hardison and a '54 Corvette that smbrm indicated a healthy interest in at lunch: Road America vintage racing photos.

[racinggeek]

Perhaps two- I'm not planning on doing anything too adventurous with a car set up to turn left full-time.

racinggeek- track me down, I'll be in the 'Can-Am' just before the climb up the steep hill to the upper-upper paddock.

Cheers,

Jacques

Sorry I missed you -- wandered by your rig Saturday but neglected to stop and say hi. My bad. Will catch up next time for sure, if that works for you.

[Jerry Entin]

Jerry Entin in Group 3
I was allowed to run in Group 3 as the McLaren had narrow treaded tires as did the other cars in the class.


photo: Bob Pengraph

[Jerry Entin]

Ike Smith crew chief and Jerry Entin
Ike is the man who restored the McLaren Mk 2 with help from many of his friends.

Bob and Paula Hardison pitching in
Ike Smith and Doug MacCorkindale working on car.

photos: Gus Meyjes

Edited by Jerry Entin, 28 July 2013 - 06:15.

[Jerry Entin]

Bob and Becky Pengraph and Rick and Cydette Knoop
This is from the Friday night street concours. Rick and Cydette drove the McLaren 8 F into town from the race track for the event.

[David M. Kane]

Bob and Becky Pengraph and Rick and Cydette Knoop
This is from the Friday night street concours. Rick and Cydette drove the McLaren 8 F into town from the race track for the event.

Rick Knoop is the man! I'mreally sorry I missed the Hawk.

[Jerry Entin]

Siebkens bar having a brew with a few of my buddies
James Redman and Toni Cumbess and Jerry Entin and Chris Hines and Brian Redman in the back are Tony Adamowicz and Wes Niemcek and Dick Stahler and Ike Smith and Brad Niemcek and Doug MacCorkingdale


photo: Thomas Stahler

Edited by Jerry Entin, 28 July 2013 - 17:47.

[Jerry Entin]

Arrowlane Restoration pits
Chris Hines of Arrowlane Restorations brought the McLaren Mk 1 Cro Sal Special of Edie Arrowsmith and the McLaren Mk 2 of Bob Hardison and the McLaren Mk8 F of Craig Pence to this event. Criag's car was driven by Rick Knoop.


photo: Jim Gustafson collection

[E1pix]

Jerry, very glad for you that you got to stretch your legs again!

What a long wait, Wow!

[RonPohl]

The Eagle is still in Milwaukee; we had some last-minute refinements we had to make today, so we are making two trips. The #83 LeGrand Mk7 Formula A car, freshly restored to its one-and-only racing season of 1968 is also under our tent and was sent up earlier this afternoon. It has been a delight to work on and we are very proud of the way it has turned out.


Cheers,

Jacques

It is good to see a nicely restored LeGrand. Who raced it in 1968? Regards.

[Jerry Entin]

McLaren Mk 2 at street concours in Elkhart Lake
Bob Hardison and Doug MacCorkingdale and Ike Smith and Jerry Entin


photo: Bob Pengraph

[NigelSmuckatelli1945]

There are three cars present which all claim to be the former Cuddy Racing McLaren M8FP. Plus I understand that there is a fourth out there somewhere. So, I have an idea. Let's have all four of these get together and have a race. Winner gets the identity!

Tom

I understand the sister (Jennifer) of the late Peter Revson had a set-to with someone who claimed that the McLaren M8F Can-Am racer he was exhibiting at vintage events was the championship car that Peter drove. She protested to the officials at the Amelia Concours in 2010 that it was not "the" car but was ignored. It took her a couple of years of hard work but she got the fellow to drop his claim.

[NigelSmuckatelli1945]

They don't mess around in Wisconsin...maybe next year.

What a spread. No doubt you hung around to grab some left-overs and filled your cooler.

[Jerry Entin]

Brian Garcia and Jerry Entin and Mark Salyer
Brian Garcia was driving the Ron and Jennette Keck owned continuation Cro Sal Cheetah at Elkhart Lake and doing a fine job of it. I brought Mark Salyer to their pits to see the CroSal Cheetah and meet the team.


Cro Sal Cheetah and the Cheetah Coupe of Robert Boyce

photos: Ron Keck collection

Edited by Jerry Entin, 31 July 2013 - 02:55.

[RA Historian]

I understand the sister (Jennifer) of the late Peter Revson had a set-to with someone who claimed that the McLaren M8F Can-Am racer he was exhibiting at vintage events was the championship car that Peter drove. She protested to the officials at the Amelia Concours in 2010 that it was not "the" car but was ignored. It took her a couple of years of hard work but she got the fellow to drop his claim.

Much more than that. I exposed the chicanery here on TNF. See http://forums.autosp...w...t=0&start=0 starting with post #20. Bob Lee and Don Devine proved conclusively that the Hughes car was not the '71 Revson car, but rather was a car built in 1973 by Commander Motor Homes Team. With us all the way, urging us on, and forcefully advancing the truth was Jennifer Revson. Scott Hughes, owner of the car in question, spent almost two years arguing that all the experts were wrong, but eventually he had to grudgingly concede to the truth. He then put the car up for sale and it has recently been sold. The new owner is putting the car back into its original Commander livery.
Tom

[Gokart Mozart]

It is good to see a nicely restored LeGrand. Who raced it in 1968? Regards.

Ron,

Thank you for your kind words. In our research, we found that the chassis was the car purchased at the '68 NY Auto Show by Peter Botsford and raced throughout the 1968 season by his BRE outfit. It could have also been the car that Bruce Eglinton won the Stardust GP with in Feb 1968, but without proper proof, I'm inclined to say that it may be a long time before we can confirm/deny that claim. What I can confirm is that the car was raced by Botsford's team: most famously by Sam Posey, who sat on the pole at Mosport but parked it after one lap due to ill handling and also a cracked rotor that they could not find a replacement for after qualifying. He started the race because the small team needed the starting money.

Lothar Motschenbacher, Bob Betts, Peter Revson and Barry Blackmore also drove the car, but it really only ran a handful of laps. Lothar did two laps of practice at Road America for the Badger 200 and found the engine wouldn't rev over 5000 rpm; Betts parked it after 18 laps at Thompson, CT; Revson broke a CV joint in practice at Lime Rock after two laps and simply walked away; and Blackmore had the brakes fail going into the Corkscrew at Laguna, which sent him on a wild ride and ended the car's racing career. It was already second-rate by the end of the '68 season against the Mk5 Eagles and the Lola T140s.

After Blackmore's shunt, the car was stripped down in Salinas, California and the chassis was returned to LeGrand while Botsford ordered a McLaren M10A (s/n 11) for 1969.

It could have been fixed by LeGrand and run again at some point in the 1970s, but its hard to say. From there, the history of the car goes dark until it was sold to Chunk Haines in the early 1980s and was then purchased in the mid 1980s by a gent in New York, it still had the light blue-grey paint on the chassis, and per the initial Mk7 design, the front calipers were still in the 12 o'clock position.

Cheers,

Jacques

(Also, E1Pix- I received your voicemail. I've had some interesting developments in the last 72 hours and will give you a call when time permits this afternoon.)

[RonPohl]

Ron,

Thank you for your kind words. In our research, we found that the chassis was the car purchased at the '68 NY Auto Show by Peter Botsford and raced throughout the 1968 season by his BRE outfit. It could have also been the car that Bruce Eglinton won the Stardust GP with in Feb 1968, but without proper proof, I'm inclined to say that it may be a long time before we can confirm/deny that claim. What I can confirm is that the car was raced by Botsford's team: most famously by Sam Posey, who sat on the pole at Mosport but parked it after one lap due to ill handling and also a cracked rotor that they could not find a replacement for after qualifying. He started the race because the small team needed the starting money.

Lothar Motschenbacher, Bob Betts, Peter Revson and Barry Blackmore also drove the car, but it really only ran a handful of laps. Lothar did two laps of practice at Road America for the Badger 200 and found the engine wouldn't rev over 5000 rpm; Betts parked it after 18 laps at Thompson, CT; Revson broke a CV joint in practice at Lime Rock after two laps and simply walked away; and Blackmore had the brakes fail going into the Corkscrew at Laguna, which sent him on a wild ride and ended the car's racing career. It was already second-rate by the end of the '68 season against the Mk5 Eagles and the Lola T140s.

After Blackmore's shunt, the car was stripped down in Salinas, California and the chassis was returned to LeGrand while Botsford ordered a McLaren M10A (s/n 11) for 1969.

It could have been fixed by LeGrand and run again at some point in the 1970s, but its hard to say. From there, the history of the car goes dark until it was sold to Chunk Haines in the early 1980s and was then purchased in the mid 1980s by a gent in New York, it still had the light blue-grey paint on the chassis, and per the initial Mk7 design, the front calipers were still in the 12 o'clock position.

Cheers,

Jacques

(Also, E1Pix- I received your voicemail. I've had some interesting developments in the last 72 hours and will give you a call when time permits this afternoon.)

In 1970, I went through SCCA driving school at Riverside with a young guy (well, we were all young guys than) named Chuck Elliott who was driving a FA LeGrand. We ran some SCCA races together... I have a result sheet from sept 26, 1970 at Phoenix showing him as winning the FA class. Perhaps that was your car.
Thanks for you informative response....Very interesting.