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#1 Mercedestorque1

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 14:29

I really think Alice Powell and Vicky Piria have potential. looking at thier performances so far im starting to look forward to what they can do in a higher category like Gp2 :) wether or not they get in to F1 someday who knows,but im watching them closely.

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#2 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 14:44

Clearly not watching closely enough.

#3 Sakae

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 14:50

I really think Alice Powell and Vicky Piria have potential. looking at thier performances so far im starting to look forward to what they can do in a higher category like Gp2 :) wether or not they get in to F1 someday who knows,but im watching them closely.

Why I am not surprised, but for once leave hormones at home and watch a race or two. :D

#4 Wander

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 14:55

Vicky lies 10th in points in a series of no-hopers. Powell leads a series of total no-hopers.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 14:58

Why I am not surprised, but for once leave hormones at home and watch a race or two. :D

i dont think they are as bad some we've seen eg did susie wolff do better in those categories?


#6 Mercedestorque1

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 15:02

Vicky lies 10th in points in a series of no-hopers. Powell leads a series of total no-hopers.

i wouldnt call them "no hopers" they are bound to get spotted soon by sponsors especially Powell :)


#7 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 15:06

Why Powell especially?

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 15:08

Given that Alice Powell only scored one point in GP3 last year and Piria didn't score at all, I don't think either will be knocking on the door of F1 anytime soon. The F3 Open isn't exactly the most competitive series and a driver with serious F1 ambitions would only drive in the F3 Cup if they had really struggled for sponsorship.

#9 Deluxx

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 15:16

Danica Patrick has a real future in F1 if she can win the Indy 500

#10 Rob29

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 15:28

Why start a new thread on this subject? There are several on the same subject with the same tired arguments :eek: Currently I think Simona deSilvresto is the most promising?

#11 Sakae

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 15:47

Danica Patrick has a real future in F1 if she can win the Indy 500

Based on what?

#12 fastwriter

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 16:11

The only Girl with F1 potential at the moment is Beitske Visser

#13 Lucass

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 16:32

The only Girl with F1 potential at the moment is Beitske Visser

I second that. She was with the Red Bull team at the YDT today

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 16:51

I second that. She was with the Red Bull team at the YDT today


that's her right? Picture from AMS today

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#15 Lucass

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 16:53

Yes it's her and a pic from her twitter is in the Beitske Visser thread

#16 KateLM

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 17:15

Powell's bound to get spotted by sponsors soon? I actually can't think of anything more she could do to get spotted, considering the coverage she gets. Put it this way, you don't get F1 TV reporters tweeting positive things about male drivers with results of her ilk.

i wouldnt call them "no hopers" they are bound to get spotted soon by sponsors especially Powell :)

He didn't say Powell was a total no hoper, he said her competition were. F3 Cup is for managing directors on a weekend racing jolly. Nothing wrong with that, unless we're pretending that beating them is in any way relevant.

I've got nothing against Powell and Piria trying to get on in their racing careers and attempting to prove the likes of me wrong. But I don't see how overvaluing their results because of their gender helps anyone, it's more patronizing than anything else.

#17 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 17:21

I give Powell a lot of credit for doing F3 Cup or whatever it's called. Keeps her in a car and shows she's not snobby about it.

#18 Red17

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 17:44

Based on what?

It was a joke, Danica already said this year she is not doing the 500 anytime soon.

Anyway, tomorrow Mrs. Wolff goes to the track, let's see how she does.

Edited by Red17, 18 July 2013 - 17:53.


#19 AustinF1

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 17:45

Danica Patrick has a real future in F1 if she can win the Indy 500

Maybe if F1 starts racing on ovals.

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#20 jonpollak

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 17:51

Bia's better.
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#21 johnmhinds

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 17:54

Danica Patrick has a real future in F1 if she can win the Indy 500


She has the best chance of any female driver at the moment, if only for her marketability in the US.

But doesn't she still only have 1 race win in her whole career?

Edited by johnmhinds, 18 July 2013 - 17:57.


#22 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 17:55

Bia needs to start showing it.

Edited by Ross Stonefeld, 18 July 2013 - 17:55.


#23 Red17

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 17:56

Bia needs to start showing it.

And settle her name.

#24 AustinF1

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 18:09

She has the best chance of any female driver at the moment, if only for her marketability in the US.

But doesn't she still only have 1 race win in her whole career?

Yep...fuel mileage win in Japan. & she was a mid-pack IndCar driver on road/street courses.

#25 charly0418

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 19:02

I've had this conversation with friends and girls tell me I'm sexist because I keep saying no F1 woman will be in F1 soon.

But honestly, there's just no talent on the feeder series. Just look at Carmen Jorda :well: she's always like 2 seconds off the pace.

#26 ezequiel

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 19:44

Powell was ok last year in GP3, nothing great but she was competitive, which is something important considering how out of the pace other female single seater drivers have been (Pippa Mann was hopeless in FR 3.5, Milka Duno in IndyCar, Carmen Jordá right now in GP3). It would have been of interest to see how much improvement she could have showed this year.

What is needed to see more and more competitive female drivers in single seaters is actually more female drivers in single seaters. With such a poor amount of them is harder for a top talented one to appear. If someone like Danica Patrick emerged, who, despite all the bashing she gets, managed to finish in the Top 10 of the IndyCar championship 6 out of 7 times, it's because IndyCar activelly worked to promote female drivers.

#27 AustinF1

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 20:04

Powell was ok last year in GP3, nothing great but she was competitive, which is something important considering how out of the pace other female single seater drivers have been (Pippa Mann was hopeless in FR 3.5, Milka Duno in IndyCar, Carmen Jordá right now in GP3). It would have been of interest to see how much improvement she could have showed this year.

What is needed to see more and more competitive female drivers in single seaters is actually more female drivers in single seaters. With such a poor amount of them is harder for a top talented one to appear. If someone like Danica Patrick emerged, who, despite all the bashing she gets, managed to finish in the Top 10 of the IndyCar championship 6 out of 7 times, it's because IndyCar activelly worked to promote female drivers.

I'm just curious...is the following "bashing"?

Yep...fuel mileage win in Japan. & she was a mid-pack IndCar driver on road/street courses.


You don't hear many people saying outright that Danica can't drive. It's just that when you start talking about putting her into F1 based on a very lukewarm history in IndyCar, especially on road circuits, it begs some justification. Why, other than the fact that she's a mildly successful female driver in a lower series (probably 2nd or 3rd-best on her team), should Patrick be considered for an F1 seat (nevermind that she doesn't really seem to fancy one)? I think most people would agree that a man with her resume would hardly have gotten a 2nd glance in IndyCar and would not ever be mentioned as an F1 candidate.

Edited by AustinF1, 18 July 2013 - 20:09.


#28 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 20:10

Because when it comes to drivers from a certain demographic (female, or American, or whatever country is currently 'in') they tend to go for them if they've passed the bare minimum of requirements rather than being outstanding.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 20:21

Because when it comes to drivers from a certain demographic (female, or American, or whatever country is currently 'in') they tend to go for them if they've passed the bare minimum of requirements rather than being outstanding.


Should the same 'qualifiers' not be used for the new Russian wonderboy?

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#30 gm914

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 21:18

The only Girl with F1 potential at the moment is Beitske Visser

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 21:23

And settle her name.


She's like the Brazilian woman version of Teo/Corrado Fabi

#32 AustinF1

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 21:24

Brendon Hartley is a girl?


#33 gm914

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 21:30

Brendon Hartley is a girl?

It's certainly a weird name for a girl.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 21:43

You don't hear many people saying outright that Danica can't drive. It's just that when you start talking about putting her into F1 based on a very lukewarm history in IndyCar, especially on road circuits, it begs some justification. Why, other than the fact that she's a mildly successful female driver in a lower series (probably 2nd or 3rd-best on her team), should Patrick be considered for an F1 seat (nevermind that she doesn't really seem to fancy one)? I think most people would agree that a man with her resume would hardly have gotten a 2nd glance in IndyCar and would not ever be mentioned as an F1 candidate.


Andrew Ranger didn't do much of anything (he actually finished behind Danica in Atlantics) until stock cars, where he won in lower tiers (ARCA, Canadian Tire Series) and is a Nationwide road course ringer. Patrick should have stuck to being a Nationwide ringer in the short term and spent more time developing in ARCA etc like Ranger did. Even so, mixing it up with the likes of Ron Fellows at Road America and Montreal gave her some garage cred despite her disappointing 2012 overall.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 22:00

Katherine Legge.

#36 gm914

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 22:00

In Danica's case she was clearly going where her sponsors wanted her to go.
Cup.
ASAFP.

GoDaddy would'nt sell domains or buy Superbowl airtime if she was plodding along learning her craft in ARCA meets around the country.
Hell they even got impatient in her 1 year of Nationwide.

There are signs that she is still trying to come to grips with learning the craft of stock-car racing, and sadly for her she's at the wrong level to be learning that stuff.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 22:05

NASCAR have proven hard for many more fancied drivers than Danica Patrick, she is not a future WDC driver but she is no hack either. She is clearly the best female racer the past years in track racing. I do not expect that she will ever contend for the NASCAR championship, but I do not think it impossible that she can win one of the oval races in a season or two.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 22:10

In Danica's case she was clearly going where her sponsors wanted her to go.
Cup.
ASAFP.

GoDaddy wouldn't sell domains or buy Superbowl airtime if she was plodding along learning her craft in ARCA meets around the country.
Hell they even got impatient in her 1 year of Nationwide.


Pastrana's bombing pretty badly in Nationwide right now, but his sponsors are still sticking around and there aren't hundreds of scathing comments about his crashes. Or articles questioning his place in stock car racing.

There are signs that she is still trying to come to grips with learning the craft of stock-car racing, and sadly for her she's at the wrong level to be learning that stuff.


Yup, flashes of speed with some mediocrity. Still, it's a very deep field in Sprint Cup. Stenhouse averages 20th place and he's a two-time Nationwide champ.

Montoya is *23rd* in the points. Allmendinger has only just won after years of mostly crap performances. Hornish is average in Cup and strong in Nationwide after a similar number of seasons.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 22:16

Doesn't mean I'm wrong.

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#40 Prost1997T

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 22:26

Doesn't mean I'm wrong.


I agree with your general point, just putting things in context. I'm aware Patrick's skill level is below that of the racers I mentioned in Cup. If Nascar's field composition was entirely based on skill, Paul Menard would not be at RCR and Junior would have been kicked out of Hendrick years ago. Townley definitely would not have been allowed a Cup entry. Ross Kenseth would be in a KBM Truck if life was fair. Sadly it isn't.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:55

Katherine Legge.

She put in some blinding laps at Indy this year not to mention the great race at Fontana last year.
Go Haslemere...
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Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:06

Is anywhere here knowledgeable about competitive junior karting (like under 16 stuff)? Have you seen an increase in female participants these past few years? :S

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:11

Is anywhere here knowledgeable about competitive junior karting (like under 16 stuff)? Have you seen an increase in female participants these past few years? :S


Not a massive rise at all. Now Visser and Gatting don't race karts any more, at the highest levels female participation is very few and very far between. Karting is very very expensive as is all motorsport. Hard to find a dad who will spend upwards of 200k a year on his daughter to go racing, let alone sons etc... I can't think of any girls competing for wins now. There was a few about a couple years ago. Lassu, Stephenson etc... but now nothing.

Edited by rhukkas, 19 July 2013 - 08:13.


#44 William Hunt

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 21:17

Simona de Silvestro is by far the best female driver imho. Danica is talented too but she only seems to do well on ovals. Visser has dissapointed me this year in F. Adac, her Red Bull teammate O'Keefe too.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 22:08

She put in some blinding laps at Indy this year not to mention the great race at Fontana last year.
Go Haslemere...
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Starting from the back row she had passed about half the field after 20 or so laps; pity she tagged the wall.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 11:37

Simona de Silvestro is by far the best female driver imho.


I checked her stats for this year. :well: Then again, she is the *only* female currently driving an Indycar...

Danica is talented too but she only seems to do well on ovals.


Seems to be the opposite in Nascar, or at least it looked that way last year.

Visser has dissapointed me this year in F. Adac, her Red Bull teammate O'Keefe too.


Perhaps it's a team thing? I wouldn't know as I haven't seen any of those races.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 16:05

I checked her stats for this year. :well: Then again, she is the *only* female currently driving an Indycar...

Only female currently with a regular drive above F3 level anyway.Curious that the Swiss have produced more female drivers in recent times despite that country having no circuits-goverment having banned them in 1956.Have an interview with Simona in which she explains that her dad had to haul her kart to ajoining countries Germany /France/Italy to race.

#48 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 16:29

I imagine the relative wealth of Switzerland offsets any lack of tracks...

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 06:47

Seems to be the opposite in Nascar, or at least it looked that way last year.


Not really. Unless I'm reading you wrong.

2011:
Montreal: grid: 25, finish: 24

2012:
Road America: grid: 10, finish: 12
The Glen: grid: 23, finish: 43
Montreal: grid: 4, finish: 27

2013:
Sonoma: grid: 31, finish: 29

Avg on NASCAR road courses: grid: ~19, finish: 27

Not much different in IndyCar.

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#50 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:13

That doesn't take into account some really strong runs she had on Nationwide road courses, where she got wrecked at the end or had other problems(including a shoe being thrown on track).