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#101 Der Pate

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 16:57

I live in Vienna, and I cannot recall a summer like this, with these temperatures. Normally it heats up over some days, followed by a thunderstorm, which brings lower temperatures. This summer there was no rain for 3 weeks now. And normally Hungary is even hotter. As I have tickets for the GP I expect very high temperatures of about 40 degrees, with track-temps up to 60. Will be very interesting, how the cars, the tyres and the drivers react to such temperatures.

I have tickets for the grandstand in turn 1, where I expect most of the overtaking...

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#102 Juggles

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 17:15

The second DRS zone is probably the right call for this track but they've really been overdoing it in other places. I'd rather there was one DRS zone at all tracks than the default two at all tracks. It would be even better if the FIA could apply some common sense.

Still, a Mercedes car has been on pole in every rain-unaffected qualifying this season so there's a fair chance we'll at least be able to dream on Saturday night. Anyway, losing places in the race doesn't bother me too much; I'd much prefer Hamilton finishing 5th in the race from pole to 5th in the race from 5th on the grid.

#103 Skinnyguy

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 18:18

it is almost impossible to overtake there anyway
though DRS zone just after turn 3 could improve it


It´s not impossible. A driver having covered the inside into T1 will have a hard time keeping the place into T2. If in the main straight you couldn´t pass but you did enough to force the other guy defensive, you´ll have another chance.

After T3 the zone would be longer, no doubt, but to be fair T4 (and the annoying right kink just before) gives the driver ahead the chance to cover an attempt much much easier.

#104 Sir Frank

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:38

I live in Slovakia (cca 250 km from Hungaro) and there was predicted one of the coldest summer ever...LOL...these days it´s quite normal summer (around 30 degrees) but extreme temperatures predicted for weekend...


Gonna be death valley this weekend. Latest forecast by met office is 36-38C for Sunday, which as Szolloe says is a conservative estimate. One thing that makes this heat unbearable here is that unlike in deserts it doesnt really cool down during night time. Expect about 30C at midnight in BP city centre and a minimum temp of 27C during the night. No sleep w/o AC. Around the Hungaroring it should be fresh during the night (20ish).

Everybody run to the lake!




#105 robefc

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:42

The second DRS zone is probably the right call for this track but they've really been overdoing it in other places. I'd rather there was one DRS zone at all tracks than the default two at all tracks. It would be even better if the FIA could apply some common sense.

Still, a Mercedes car has been on pole in every rain-unaffected qualifying this season so there's a fair chance we'll at least be able to dream on Saturday night. Anyway, losing places in the race doesn't bother me too much; I'd much prefer Hamilton finishing 5th in the race from pole to 5th in the race from 5th on the grid.


But 5th from last on the grid would make for much more exciting Sundays!

#106 Borko

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:18

I live in Slovakia (cca 250 km from Hungaro) and there was predicted one of the coldest summer ever...LOL...these days it´s quite normal summer (around 30 degrees) but extreme temperatures predicted for weekend...

Yes, I am from Belgrade, Serbia, something like 350 km from Budapest, and on Sunday it's going to be 37 degrees here, so it will probably be extremely hot in Hungary as well.

#107 Kelateboy

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:31

as if it wasnt bad enough for Mercedes...

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Not necessarily. The first DRS zone is the longer one and where most overtaking would take place. The second zone is too short for any overtaking and could only be used to extend the lead.

It would have been a nightmare if the first zone is shorter and the subsequent zone is longer. In that instance, the 1st zone will be used by the pursuer to get as close as possible to the car in front, with the overtaking to be done in the longer DRS zone.

#108 EvanRainer

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:41

Ugh, what the hell is it with this whole "can't overtake in Hungary" stuff.

I don't know if you've been paying attention but with the tires of the last few years that fall off, overtaking in this track is very much possible. It is nothing like Monaco.

#109 Kristian

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:45

Ugh, what the hell is it with this whole "can't overtake in Hungary" stuff.

I don't know if you've been paying attention but with the tires of the last few years that fall off, overtaking in this track is very much possible. It is nothing like Monaco.


Indeed. I raise you Ralf Schumacher in 2003.

#110 Goron3

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:52

You can overtake at Hungary but you generally have to be several seconds a lap faster, due to the nature of the last corner and the one before it. The straight is also very small and the rest of the track is tight and twisty. We have seen some decent overtakes there though, but I don't see Merc falling back as easily as they did at tracks like Bahrain and Spain.

#111 EvanRainer

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:06

You can overtake at Hungary but you generally have to be several seconds a lap faster, due to the nature of the last corner and the one before it. The straight is also very small and the rest of the track is tight and twisty. We have seen some decent overtakes there though, but I don't see Merc falling back as easily as they did at tracks like Bahrain and Spain.


yes, maybe not as easy as some other tracks but people were comparing it with Monaco...it's nothing like Monaco, period. Not with the CURRENT cars and rules.

I've been watching F1 for quite a while, I very much remember when you wouldn't see a single overtake in Hungaroring.

Also, I don't know what it is about this track but it more often than not it seems to produce interesting races even though it feels it shouldn't.

#112 EvanRainer

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:06

I find Barcelona 100 times more boring than Hungary.

#113 Fangiola

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:19

Ugh, what the hell is it with this whole "can't overtake in Hungary" stuff.

I don't know if you've been paying attention but with the tires of the last few years that fall off, overtaking in this track is very much possible. It is nothing like Monaco.


To be honest the track is not that far off Monaco in terms of overtaking (Even with the tyres)

2012 Hungaroring - 16 Overtakes
2012 Monaco - 12 overtakes
2012 Singapore - 69 overtakes (Just for perspective as this is also considered a hard track to overtake)

#114 abundance

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 10:07

Ugh, what the hell is it with this whole "can't overtake in Hungary" stuff.

I don't know if you've been paying attention but with the tires of the last few years that fall off, overtaking in this track is very much possible. It is nothing like Monaco.


There was only 1 overtake last year (Alonso on Perez). That was it. Even with the Pirelli tyres, and a mix if different strategies from the front runners.

#115 Fangiola

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 10:16

it might be worthwhile for some of those who qualify in Q3 not to do a run and go for pole. With the heat and thermal degredation the front runners should come in earlier which will give those on the harder compound a chance to lead the race and try a shorter strategy.

of course if there's a safety car then everything is up for grabs :)

#116 Coops3

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:43

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Must fire in an early forecast ping re: #F1 Hungaroring next weekend. Dry, extreme temps expected - Friday 33c, Saturday 37c, Sunday 38-39c.


Wow, that is hot.

#117 wj_gibson

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:48

I quite like the Hungaroring. It is an absolute relic of a circuit that should have no right to host F1 races when such venues as Imola and Paul Ricard are off the table and yet it usually turns up something interesting.

#118 weltmeister1995

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:49

I will say just oh my god,max temperatures on sunday.If tyres hold out,I will be really suprised...
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Did you find the Budapest?

Edited by weltmeister1995, 24 July 2013 - 11:49.


#119 BillBald

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:53

Not necessarily. The first DRS zone is the longer one and where most overtaking would take place. The second zone is too short for any overtaking and could only be used to extend the lead.

It would have been a nightmare if the first zone is shorter and the subsequent zone is longer. In that instance, the 1st zone will be used by the pursuer to get as close as possible to the car in front, with the overtaking to be done in the longer DRS zone.


If the car in front has to use up all his KERS defending in first zone, he will be vulnerable in second zone, if the car behind has KERS + DRS.

Of course, that will only happen if the car behind is a lot faster/has fresher tyres etc.




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#120 Babak

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 13:55

Just thought of a frightful thought!
Who is best placed to outqualify Mercedes in Hungary because of a Mercedes YDT ban? Ofcourse Vettel/Redbull. Now do you see anyone else having the same chance? So no Mercedes there to hold Vettel back; by the time any Lotus/Ferrari can clear Mercedes, Seb will have built a hard-to-overcome gap.
Then again, there's another thought: what if Lotus can pull everything together and using the unprecedented-for-this-year temperature, get a pole position?! I hope it'll be with Kimi...!

Aaaaa! What am I talking about, these raceless weeks do get to me. Bring on the action!!!
:D :drunk:

Edited by Babak, 24 July 2013 - 14:01.


#121 goingthedistance

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:43

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Sebastian Vettel arrives in the Budapest paddock in a mini Hummer. As you do. #skyf1

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:48

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Sebastian Vettel arrives in the Budapest paddock in a mini Hummer. As you do. #skyf1

:lol:

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it seems he liked the soapbox race. :p

#123 V3TT3L

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 14:30

Alonso is cellebrating 10 years of his first victory, Hungary 2003.

#124 SR388

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 14:42

Why is it that only NASCAR thread starters come up with funny awesome thread titles? Surely we can do better than *Name of Race* Build Up? Let's give it a go ! :up:

Meanwhile, this race will mark the first race with the 12 spec tweaked tyres, no? Should be interesting.


We don't take ourselves as seriously as the F1 posters.


I hope Merc goes well this weekend. Gonna be tough.

#125 wj_gibson

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 15:21

Alonso is cellebrating 10 years of his first victory, Hungary 2003.


That doesn't seem too long ago...especially when you consider that 10 years prior to that Senna was still racing.

#126 Massa_f1

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 15:46

That doesn't seem too long ago...especially when you consider that 10 years prior to that Senna was still racing.



it is a wired example of how time seems to have sped up since 2000 era

#127 MikeV1987

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 21:00

If feels like I've waited forever for this weekend to come, but after this we have another month off! Totally lame.

#128 George Costanza

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 21:02

Alonso is cellebrating 10 years of his first victory, Hungary 2003.



And he lapped Michael Schumacher in that race... A beautiful drive.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 23:03

I will say just oh my god,max temperatures on sunday.If tyres hold out,I will be really suprised...
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Did you find the Budapest?

wow what the hell is this :drunk: :D

i knew the heat wave in Europe summer now and then but didnt know it's this hot. If not humid it's still bearable I guess.


#130 Babak

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 06:59

This grid penalty for loose tyres isn't a very good way of dealing with the problem. I don't know what better options there are, but this will hurt whomever hit with it badly. Say for example, Fernando is competing for WDC and a loose wheel will mean a very serious blow to his campaign, cause first he'll lose a lot of points in the race because he'll have lost a wheel and most probably a DNF. Then a 10 place grid penalty?! I don't like the sound of it.

#131 quidam

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:17

This grid penalty for loose tyres isn't a very good way of dealing with the problem. I don't know what better options there are, but this will hurt whomever hit with it badly. Say for example, Fernando is competing for WDC and a loose wheel will mean a very serious blow to his campaign, cause first he'll lose a lot of points in the race because he'll have lost a wheel and most probably a DNF. Then a 10 place grid penalty?! I don't like the sound of it.


Team has the choice between 1 or 2 seconds lost or 10 places grid penalty :wave:

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 07:19

Team has the choice between 1 or 2 seconds lost or 10 places grid penalty :wave:

1 or 2 seconds lost or 10 places grid penatly in next race AND DNF in the current (or max 7-10 places)

Edited by Shiroo, 26 July 2013 - 07:20.


#133 bonjon1979a

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:08

Vettel needs to get past Hamilton on the first lap or he is going to struggle to do so at all. He was 292 in the speed trap while Hamilton was 299. If Lewis can get to corner 1 in front then he may be able to dictate pace, cars behind will hurt their tyres in the dirty air too so merc may have a chance of clinging on to a podium. Watch out for Alonso coming up on vettel too, he has a top speed of 297 so if Hamilton backs the pack into him he'll have a chance to overtake. The undercut will be a dangerous gamble. It'll be some time before their is enough field spread to make this work and drivers starting in the medium might put a spanner in the works.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:35

^ Vettel should be more wary of the two Lotuses than Hamilton. Mercedes is likely to melt under this heat.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 08:01

^ Vettel should be more wary of the two Lotuses than Hamilton. Mercedes is likely to melt under this heat.

I agree completely. My point about Hamilton is that he's going to back vettel into the likes of grosjean and Alonso. However, grosjean doesn't really have the straightline speed to overtake that Alonso has.

#136 SpaMaster

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 08:08

^ But there are two pit-stops. Those should be enough chances for any faster car to overtake a slower car.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 08:16

^ But there are two pit-stops. Those should be enough chances for any faster car to overtake a slower car.

Yep, but I think that vettel may find himself behind Alonso by the time of the first stop as he'll be stuck in drs territory behind Hamilton train.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 14:07

I'm hoping for a Merc 1-2 with Kimi in the mix.... :love:



Mercedes 1-2 with the track temperature possibly going into 50C? You need to be doing a lot of praying... :D



No need to pray.... Shame about Rosberg. Lewis is a beast at Hungary.