77 replies to this topic

[MikeV1987]

http://jalopnik.com/...mosco-858199331

Poor guy

[Anderis]

If it was Maldonado, then it would have been by now plenty of replies here, that he is a moron or something.

[SpartanChas]

Was a rubbish car anyway.

[f1seb]

If it was Maldonado, then it would have been by now plenty of replies here, that he is a moron or something.

At least it was wet. Maldonado could crash a car in a vacuum of space. But yeah, kind of fun seeing these guys kill the show cars.

[redreni]

What an idiot.

At least whover organised this event actually had some kind of proper barriers lining the road - the Maldonado one made you fear for the spectators....

These demo runs are allowed to take place in places that would not be considered safe for racing on the basis that the drivers know what they're doing and aren't going to do anything daft. There seems to be mounting evidence that some drivers can't be trusted...

[Lights]

I don't think it's that stupid. He's just trying to give a show away on a wet road (which is unfortunate on its own) and it doesn't work.

[Baddoer]

I'm amazed nobody was injured, no protecting barriers there, nothing.

[Andrew Hope]

I'm amazed we all still act like nature owes us safety because it's 2013. Stay frosty and keep your head up when cars are driving fast near you.

[goingthedistance]

Oh dear.

[Sardukar]

I'm amazed we all still act like nature owes us safety because it's 2013. Stay frosty and keep your head up when cars are driving fast near you.

So when a piece of the car comes off at a few hundred kph i'm sure you will be frosty and get out of the way? what a silly thing to post.

[johnmhinds]

I'm amazed we all still act like nature owes us safety because it's 2013. Stay frosty and keep your head up when cars are driving fast near you.

So you're saying we can count on you to post this same nonsense the next time a spectator dies at an event???

Thought not...

Edited by johnmhinds, 21 July 2013 - 18:07.

[Gilles4Ever]

From another angle

[TimRTC]

If it was Maldonado, then it would have been by now plenty of replies here, that he is a moron or something.

He didn't crash in the wet...

[Burai]

That's it Kamui, wipe this wretched car from existence.

Take an F2005 down next weekend and see if you can't spread that down a barrier too.

[redreni]

From another angle

The wheel tether did its job, and to be fair to the organisers they had the sense to keep the crowd well back from the armco and behind a wire-mesh fence. Even so, the point stands that Kobayashi should be aware of the fact he's driving on a city street, not an FIA safety-rated race track, and he is quite simply not allowed to make a mistake in these circumstances.

[jimjimjeroo]

The wheel tether did its job, and to be fair to the organisers they had the sense to keep the crowd well back from the armco and behind a wire-mesh fence. Even so, the point stands that Kobayashi should be aware of the fact he's driving on a city street, not an FIA safety-rated race track, and he is quite simply not allowed to make a mistake in these circumstances.

Crowd!? What crowd???

[Nigol]

Lol. Doing burnouts at this speed on a wet street like that.....

[OfficeLinebacker]

Sure I like the guy, but it doesn't change the fact that it takes a certain type of driver to crash a car during a demonstration. Better to do as Schumacher did on the Nordschleife recently and be accused of not driving anywhere near the limit, than crash on a demo run.

Who's the Arab prince who crashed a Renault a few years ago? That was kind of similar--getting too hot driving in a straight line.

[SpartanChas]

Was just gonna say its a good job the wheel tethers were working properly. Shower of carbon can't be too good though.

[muramasa]

Apparent mechanical failure

[CrucialXtreme]

I'm amazed nobody was injured, no protecting barriers there, nothing.

He crashed into the barrier, not sure what you mean. What else do you think he crashed into?

[as65p]

Sure I like the guy, but it doesn't change the fact that it takes a certain type of driver to crash a car during a demonstration. Better to do as Schumacher did on the Nordschleife recently and be accused of not driving anywhere near the limit, than crash on a demo run.

Who's the Arab prince who crashed a Renault a few years ago? That was kind of similar--getting too hot driving in a straight line.

I'm not so sure one is better than the other, it's both quite embarassing IMO. Maybe better top stay away from demo runs alltogether.

[Peat]

not the hardest thing to do, crashing a stiffly sprung race car on an un treated wet public road.

[ScuderiaSV1]

Was a rubbish car anyway.

wanted to post exactly the same.

I think the only win that car ever produced was one of Raikkonen's best drives.

[midgrid]

Excellent job by Kobayashi, saving resources for the team by combining a crowd-pleasing demo with a crash test.

[Rob]

At least when Sato wrecked a Lotus 49, it was in a race

[exmayol]

not the hardest thing to do, crashing a stiffly sprung race car on an un treated wet public road.

Add no heat in the tires... people tend to forget it's not that simple to drive F1 properly at slow speeds, show or not.

[muramasa]

There seems to be mounting evidence that some drivers can't be trusted...

Sure I like the guy, but it doesn't change the fact that it takes a certain type of driver to crash a car during a demonstration.

only fact and evidence here is, that it's a crash at a demo run. no more no less.

Fact is that Kobayashi seldom crashes while driving alone, in either race or practice. Most of his crash due to his mistake are during battle (quite few of which are excusable, I can explain why with logic and facts, not by emotion and blind fanboysm), but even then his accident rate is still below average.
Irony is that his very first big crash of such kind (overdo it while driving by himself) had to happen during demo run in a Ferrari. Yet some people cannot help making sweeping generalization.

The wheel tether did its job, and to be fair to the organisers they had the sense to keep the crowd well back from the armco and behind a wire-mesh fence. Even so, the point stands that Kobayashi should be aware of the fact he's driving on a city street, not an FIA safety-rated race track, and he is quite simply not allowed to make a mistake in these circumstances.

Most likely he would have driven differently if track was narrower and spectators closer (if anything, that's probably the safest condition for street demo-run I've ever seen).
By the looks of it, the armco can be permanent one rather than temporary? Crowd was there because there was roadside space up there for stands, altho of course give credit to the organizer (I remember RedBull's Bangkok event couple years ago looked quite scary, crowd was absolutely packed everywhere and just next to the track without any bit of gap or hard barrier, and many cars drifting at quite high speed).
Also no one wants to make mistake, probably it's he himself who knew the most in the universe he shouldnt make mistake. At the same time he was supposed to entertain crowd, ie keep turning engine up to high rev while proceeding slowly. In fact he was not going fast at all when he lost control, not more than roadcar speed..maybe 120km/h or so it seems? But when it happens it happens like that, Maldonado spin at demo run also looked bit strange, Heidfeld losing fw at BMW factory was no less comical. For Kamui, it was wet track, and maybe there was rut or white line (looks there's stripes of wet patch there) and he misjudged or underestimated the track condition. Just little bit too much showmanship maybe, but not a big deal.
I imagine he should be awfully sorry and ashamed tho.

[Massa]

What an idiot.

At least whover organised this event actually had some kind of proper barriers lining the road - the Maldonado one made you fear for the spectators....

These demo runs are allowed to take place in places that would not be considered safe for racing on the basis that the drivers know what they're doing and aren't going to do anything daft. There seems to be mounting evidence that some drivers can't be trusted...

The crash? The track was very slippery and there was a marked bump at that point, which is why I hit the barrier. A shame, but I am pleased the team let me out again after a few minutes.”

The track was wet and F1 car are not able to drive on a marked bump. Who looks like an idiot now.. ?

[Lee Nicolle]

Playing silly buggers in the wet will often lead to this result. Though it seemed to be a decent barrier for such an event. I guess normal road Armco couples with a hire wire fence.
Motorsport demos have gone wrong quite a few times. The Drag Race demo in the US that ended in tragedy is still I believe in the courts.
In the 80s a local racer I know ended in the crowd at a motorsport demo [in conjunction with the GP] in a shopping centre car park. The organisers had set the track up to run the wrong way for the turn left speedway cars so the run off was straight into the crowd. I saw it happen and luckily no one suffered long term injurys, though the worst injured was a 9 y/o boy.
That went on in the courts for several years, for both the driver and the event organisers.

[John Player]

another video

this one is closer to the impact

[eimantas]

As a Kobayashi fan, any dreams of Kobayashi driving for an F1 team in 2014 has been wrongfully shattered with a hammer in front of my eyes...

[bourbon]

Nonsense - he was driving the F60. Nobody will hold crashing that ton o' bolts and steel against him.

[dave34m]

not the hardest thing to do, crashing a stiffly sprung race car on an un treated wet public road.

Sure. if you're racing,,, but on a demo run. Come on, this is pretty bad.

[dau]

If it was Maldonado, then it would have been by now plenty of replies here, that he is a moron or something.

Happy now?

[Lights]

Still thought this was rather ironic...

[charly0418]

Still thought this was rather ironic...

LOL, nice find

I was starting to thing that maybe Kamui had a chance at Ferrari but this doenst help hehe

[charly0418]

Still doesnt top his embarrassing moment on the pits last year

[MikeTekRacing]

Sure. if you're racing,,, but on a demo run. Come on, this is pretty bad.

demo run means doing "cool" stuff....that's asking for trouble in these conditions.
sure it can be done and he made a mistake but it's not like what he had to do was super easy

[crbassassin]

What I find funny is that he keep on driving after the crash as if nothing had happened.

[Muppetmad]

We've seen these sorts of mistakes happen in far kinder conditions in demo runs. I wouldn't hold Kamui to account any more than other drivers who have made such mistakes over the years - and in those instances the standard response was to appreciate the irony and then move on.

[Trust]

This just proves what a beast was F60 back then in 2009. It just goes to show that Raikkonen was doing miracles with it. Fisichella also proved it.

[as65p]

This just proves what a beast was F60 back then in 2009. It just goes to show that Raikkonen was doing miracles with it. Fisichella also proved it.

Oh come on. Kobas crash is so totally irrelevant to the characteristics of the car in the 2009 F1 season.

Or else, if you really want to believe that, at least give Massa credit for doing slightly more miracolous miracles up to his crash than Raikönnen.

[FastnLoud]

Was going to say get him back in F1 but we have Grosjean for now

[Trust]

Oh come on. Kobas crash is so totally irrelevant to the characteristics of the car in the 2009 F1 season.

Or else, if you really want to believe that, at least give Massa credit for doing slightly more miracolous miracles up to his crash than Raikönnen.

There were no miracles before Hungarian GP except Kimi's Monaco performance. That was cars genuine pace. After Hungary Kimi stepped up and deliver fabulous results with a car that is difficult to drive.

[froggy22]

Oh well, he's not the first driver to crash doing a demonstration, not the last. Probably embarrassing in the moment but noone will remember in a weeks time




at least it was wet, he can use that excuse. F1 cars are designed to drive at speed on a race track, not on a random Russian street, easier to crash than people seem to realise

[Burtros]

Highly amusing indecent but little else to read into it. Ive never been a huge Kobayashi fan but don't think any less of him following that.

There were no miracles before Hungarian GP except Kimi's Monaco performance. That was cars genuine pace. After Hungary Kimi stepped up and deliver fabulous results with a car that is difficult to drive.

Oh ffs, this isnt about Raikkonen and if it was all that simple then I could just as easily say that so fabulous were his results Ferrari paid him NOT to drive for them the next year.

[Sakae]

One can only wonder, how deadly this incident is, if at all, to Kamui's career in F1.

[DracoN]

One can only wonder, how deadly this incident is, if at all, to Kamui's career in F1.

0

[MikeTekRacing]

There were no miracles before Hungarian GP except Kimi's Monaco performance. That was cars genuine pace. After Hungary Kimi stepped up and deliver fabulous results with a car that is difficult to drive.

just as his pace benchmark got injured. pretty cool moment to step up your game