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[Sakae]

@DracoN: Zero impact, and that includes any potential support within Japanese context? I would not rush into any such conclusion. I have no inside on his case, and I am also not aware of his plans, but I am aware that Japanese companies do take time internally to develop and approve their plans, the process might take a year or more, thus despite that nothing is in the headlines, that's not necessarily a bad thing in terms of support of him. The issue is, Japanese also do strive on perfection, adherence to plans, and not everyone might be in understanding what happened on that street, unless it was planned crash, which I seriously doubt.

Edited by Sakae, 22 July 2013 - 15:25.

[muramasa]

This is why he crashed

[muramasa]

@DracoN: Zero impact, and that includes any potential support within Japanese context? I would not rush into any such conclusion. I have no inside on his case, and I am also not aware of his plans, but I am aware that Japanese companies do take time internally to develop and approve their plans, the process might take a year or more, thus despite that nothing is in the headlines, that's not necessarily a bad thing in terms of support of him. The issue is, Japanese also do strive on perfection, adherence to plans, and not everyone might be in understanding what happened on that street, unless it was planned crash, which I seriously doubt.

might be, according to report, there was another F60 stand-by in the garage, and after the crash he immediately hop on to it and completed the run





Seems the crash happend during 2nd run of that day. Dont know how many runs he did tho. Also i read somwehre that this is 2 day event so they doing demo run today as well? Not sure.

Anyway Ferrari.com put 4 videos of Kamui in Moscow
http://formula1.ferr...obayashi-moscow
The scene of the crash is actually featured in the video called " 07/22/2013 Kobayashi spectacular in rainy Moscow "

In one of those videos they let Kamui talk about his desire to return to F1 next year and put an article on their site as well. Nice attitude from Ferrari as they actually dont need to do that for him.

Seems he enjoyed the event and Moscow and played good ambassador for Ferrari, good for him (except the crash of course )
(pics)
http://www.f1-stinge.../22/047452.html
http://www.f1-stinge.../22/047453.html

[Sakae]

might be, according to report, there was another F60 stand-by in the garage, and after the crash he immediately hop on to it and completed the run





Seems the crash happend during 2nd run of that day. Dont know how many runs he did tho. Also i read somwehre that this is 2 day event so they doing demo run today as well? Not sure.

Anyway Ferrari.com put 4 videos of Kamui in Moscow
http://formula1.ferr...obayashi-moscow
The scene of the crash is actually featured in the video called " 07/22/2013 Kobayashi spectacular in rainy Moscow "

In one of those videos they let Kamui talk about his desire to return to F1 next year and put an article on their site as well. Nice attitude from Ferrari as they actually dont need to do that for him.

Seems he enjoyed the event and Moscow and played good ambassador for Ferrari, good for him (except the crash of course )
(pics)
http://www.f1-stinge.../22/047452.html
http://www.f1-stinge.../22/047453.html

Thank you muramasa, as always. Correct me if I am wrong, but despite his upbringing, Kamui really doesn't has a corporate background on his CV, does he? I know his farther has a (small?) business, but other then that, he has probably obtained some in-team training how to perform PR, and that would be probably it, correct? His management then must do all leg work on his behalf. Point here is, that - and I am guessing - in Japanese corporate world people like to deal with persons directly, at least in automotive industry it's common, and he will be a subject of full scan as customary (body reading, behavioral - ninsomi). This incident may or may not come up in a conversation, and he probably cannot just sent in his manager alone, thus some good explanation will be needed. Laughing it off might not do. Kamui lives in difficult world, but I like him for some reason, and wishing him well in whatever he will do.

[fabr68]

Too much is being made out of this.

Kobayashi will not be rated by Ferrari on the basis of one crash in wet and slippery conditions. He will most likely be rated on his telemetry and how this compares to his peers and predecesors at the wheels of other Ferraris

Raikkonen crashed the F60 in dry conditions a couple of times, by the way.

Edited by fabr68, 22 July 2013 - 17:24.

[XOR]

Russian roads.
that explains it all

[ApexMouse]

As if he was being evaluated for a drive!

Who next, Jaime Melo?

[g1n]

tbh Koba probably did more for f1 with that crash than without it. If I was a kid there who never watched F1, I would definitely watch now after seeing the car run as well as a crash!

[Talisman]

His management then must do all leg work on his behalf. Point here is, that - and I am guessing - in Japanese corporate world people like to deal with persons directly, at least in automotive industry it's common, and he will be a subject of full scan as customary (body reading, behavioral - ninsomi). This incident may or may not come up in a conversation, and he probably cannot just sent in his manager alone, thus some good explanation will be needed. Laughing it off might not do.

What on earth?

Japanese companies will do what most other companies do, they'll see if F1 in general and a Japanese driver in particular like Kamui will fit into their promotional processes and sponsor him (or not). The idea of a full scan as you call it is laughable, do you realise the Japanese are not the weird alien species you often attempt to portray them as?

As for his accident, its unfortunate but it won't affect his career as these things happen. I would have thought his career record so far and funding would be of greater importance, he is by no means the first F1 driver to bin it on a demo run.

[noikeee]

One can only wonder, how deadly this incident is, if at all, to Kamui's career in F1.

So deadly it killed an already rigid corpse.

[V3TT3L]

Kobacrashy made a great impersonation of Massa

Edited by V3TT3L, 23 July 2013 - 00:33.

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http://e-kaspersky.l...213120#t4213120
+ some photos http://www.flickr.co...57634742903127/

+ longer video http://championat.co...ws-1585591.html

Edited by XOR, 23 July 2013 - 21:54.

[Rubens Hakkamacher]

This completely negates all of his solid races, and startling passing ability.

(Not)

He needs to be back in F1 IMO...

[DracoN]

http://e-kaspersky.l...213120#t4213120
+ some photos http://www.flickr.co...57634742903127/

Love this pic lol. All are so happy

[Sakae]

... he is by no means the first F1 driver to bin it on a demo run.

We can agree on that point.

[CoolBreeze]

Pirellis fault

[pingu666]

he binned it trying to put on a show, not the worst thing that could happen

[Lights]

Onboard:

[DutchQuicksilver]

Why not put Kamui in the car to replace Felipe. Interesting to see what he could do. I mean, he could match Pérez at Sauber last year with ease.

[wingwalker]

Was the Formula E demo run organized at the same event? Cause watching the onboard I was amazed that driver didn't bin it in exactly this fashion.

[Neolew]

@DracoN: Zero impact, and that includes any potential support within Japanese context? I would not rush into any such conclusion. I have no inside on his case, and I am also not aware of his plans, but I am aware that Japanese companies do take time internally to develop and approve their plans, the process might take a year or more, thus despite that nothing is in the headlines, that's not necessarily a bad thing in terms of support of him. The issue is, Japanese also do strive on perfection, adherence to plans, and not everyone might be in understanding what happened on that street, unless it was planned crash, which I seriously doubt.

F1 needs KOBA! Its a shame that the only Japanese presence in F1 today are beauties Jessica michibata and Marieluise Mammitzsch...





Kobayashi's amazing ascendancy into f1 is almost the work of fiction. Kobayashi's sauber drive was the result of the excellent performance he made driving for Toyota in the last two races 2009 and to think he wasn't the the first choice to replace 'injured' Timo Glock. Fellow Toyota test driver Kohei Hirate was destined for the seat but didn't take it because of his contractual obligations to race in SuperGT and Formula Nippon.


Unfortunately Japan and F1 have had terrible run of business decisions go against them over the past 5 years which explains the reluctance to invest heavily in F1 and Kamui Kobayashi .

In 2008 Hondas unofficial B team super Aguri folded with key staff transferring to Hondas Brackley HQ to help develop the radical double diffuser to the virtually completed 2009 specification car. Honda bosses back in Japan unaware of the key game changing developments in northampton decided to withdraw from f1 at the end of the miserable 2008 season. Ross brawn purchases the team for ONE POUND adds the customer mercedes engine before dominating the first half of 2009 season. Ross sells the team to Mercedes at the end of 2009 making a tidy £110 million profit and the rest is history.

Toyota from 2002-2008 was unspectacular until 2009-their best season ever. Kamui Kobayashi who was Toyotas test driver and part of the toyota young drivers program completed the dream lineup for Toyota until they decided to withdraw from F1 a month after his F1 debut....

[Sakae]

F1 needs KOBA! Its a shame that the only Japanese presence in F1 today are beauties Jessica michibata and Marieluise Mammitzsch...





Kobayashi's amazing ascendancy into f1 is almost the work of fiction. Kobayashi's sauber drive was the result of the excellent performance he made driving for Toyota in the last two races 2009 and to think he wasn't the the first choice to replace 'injured' Timo Glock. Fellow Toyota test driver Kohei Hirate was destined for the seat but didn't take it because of his contractual obligations to race in SuperGT and Formula Nippon.


Unfortunately Japan and F1 have had terrible run of business decisions go against them over the past 5 years which explains the reluctance to invest heavily in F1 and Kamui Kobayashi .

In 2008 Hondas unofficial B team super Aguri folded with key staff transferring to Hondas Brackley HQ to help develop the radical double diffuser to the virtually completed 2009 specification car. Honda bosses back in Japan unaware of the key game changing developments in northampton decided to withdraw from f1 at the end of the miserable 2008 season. Ross brawn purchases the team for ONE POUND adds the customer mercedes engine before dominating the first half of 2009 season. Ross sells the team to Mercedes at the end of 2009 making a tidy £110 million profit and the rest is history.

Toyota from 2002-2008 was unspectacular until 2009-their best season ever. Kamui Kobayashi who was Toyotas test driver and part of the toyota young drivers program completed the dream lineup for Toyota until they decided to withdraw from F1 a month after his F1 debut....

My earlier point rather was, that some companies are tripping over themselves to support popular sport figures (could be baseball or golf in Japan), and in such atmosphere a driver's personality is easier overlooked. It is however my view, that Japan is different, and based on results, or lack of thereof, driver like Kamui is making cold "sales calls", and has to thread his grounds carefully. The issues overlooked elsewhere might be counted. In shouldn't escape our attention, that in your picture it is a Russian who has sponsored the event, not a Japanese. I am not expert on promoting sport figures, but I spend enough time over in Japan to learn hard way, how small things could make big difference in outcomes. Errors are undesirable. Right now I wish Kamui all luck, for he will need it.

Edited by Sakae, 24 July 2013 - 16:10.

[handel]

Semi-related in that's it is a demo run in Russia.

http://www.youtube.c...e...w0RqIE&t=99

Heikki in the Caterham around Moscow. Really thought he was going to drop it coming off this corner - he's putting the power down for so long with opposite lock.

One of those things isn't it. Greasy public roads + in Koba's case rain + F1 car with no aero at those speeds and ultimate reliance in it.

[Niceone]

Kobayashi will not be rated by Ferrari on the basis of one crash in wet and slippery conditions. He will most likely be rated on his telemetry and how this compares to his peers and predecesors at the wheels of other Ferraris

Crash or no crash, Koba's F1 career as a race driver is over. Simple as that

[qczhao]

Crash or no crash, Koba's F1 career as a race driver is over. Simple as that

The fact that he's racing right now in WEC kinda contradicts that, doesn't it?;)

[g1n]

The fact that he's racing right now in WEC kinda contradicts that, doesn't it?;)

You misread what the guy you quoted...

[spacekid]

Onboard:

Thanks for the link. Puts into perspective that Koba was putting on a fun demo run with a car that looked barely under control at low speeds.

To all the people being critical or somehow trying to infer that this could be transposed to Koba's ability to race a car on a circuit - these machines just aren't designed for this sort of thing. It was wet, slippery, lots of painted lines, we don't know how oily the tarmac was in the rain, we don't know about tyres etc etc. Its a fun footnote but no big deal, could have happened to anyone.

[fabr68]

Onboard:

Engine stress and reliability test complete.