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#3351 Slartibartfast

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 15:41

I was being facetious, but technically I do think after about the 2nd race they stuck about a 5k low pass on the track mics, there was a very high harmonic that made me turn the sound off for the first 2 races.  Maybe a multiband comp on the Spa race, though, the fizzy turbo-overtone/fundamental balance is different, you hear the "brrrrrrrrr" more than the "zzzzhhhh" now.  Maybe pointing shotguns differently as well, the off-axis track sounds are almost non-existent until the car is "in front" of the cameras. 

 

Still sounds weak.

 

I've noticed an evolution of the sound over the course of the season, and I think that's to be expected. I shall have to try to track down some recordings of the broadcasts to compare. A low pass at 5kHz seems quite radical, but not beyond possibility. There will always have been some EQ'ing going on and at the start of the season they may have been using the same settings as the previous year. Similarly, they have probably been using multi-band compression for years anyway, but set differently.

 

It certainly doesn't sound "weak" to me, but more "characterful". But then if we all liked the same sounds, we'd all listen to the same music.



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#3352 djned

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 17:56

another thing i noticed that changed between hungary and belgium is the engine sounds on the f1 ident that plays before each session.

file that one under: "you know you've been watching f1 too long when..."


Edited by djned, 27 August 2014 - 18:01.


#3353 l34052

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 14:31

another thing i noticed that changed between hungary and belgium is the engine sounds on the f1 ident that plays before each session.

file that one under: "you know you've been watching f1 too long when..."

Not content with farting cars on the circuit the FIA now wants the idents to reflect this too :mad: :mad:

 

Its only a matter of time until all the drivers are pootling round in big noddy or clown cars with seltzer bottles instead of DRS or KERS or whatever they call the dam tech this year.

 

I hate jean todt :mad:



#3354 PayasYouRace

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 15:25

another thing i noticed that changed between hungary and belgium is the engine sounds on the f1 ident that plays before each session.

file that one under: "you know you've been watching f1 too long when..."

 

That says ©2009. Something wrong there.



#3355 chipmcdonald

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Posted 03 September 2014 - 01:58

I've noticed an evolution of the sound over the course of the season, and I think that's to be expected. I shall have to try to track down some recordings of the broadcasts to compare. A low pass at 5kHz seems quite radical, but not beyond possibility. There will always have been some EQ'ing going on and at the start of the season they may have been using the same settings as the previous year. Similarly, they have probably been using multi-band compression for years anyway, but set differently.

 

It certainly doesn't sound "weak" to me, but more "characterful". But then if we all liked the same sounds, we'd all listen to the same music.

 

 

 A 6-12db low pass at 5K on the track side mics isn't very radical, most people can't hear over that very well anyhow. 



#3356 Risil

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Posted 05 September 2014 - 21:27

New tactic from team principals: respond to fan criticism by laughing at fans.
 

Among all the many banners in the main Monza grandstand extolling Ferrari and their drivers, one stood out on Friday as discordant as a V8 engine at an electric car race.

 

"Ugly new circuits, ugly cars, no engine sound. F1 is dead," it declared.

[...]
 

"I don't think that one banner sums up the overall opinion about Formula One," said Ferrari principal Marco Mattiacci, while others made light of it.

 

"Whose garage was it opposite? McLaren?," joked Red Bull's Christian Horner.

 

"I think I recognise people from Formula E (the new electric series starting next week) putting that banner there," laughed Lotus deputy principal Federico Gastaldi. "This is a fantastic race, it's history. Come on."

 

"It seems a very strange place to talk about ugly circuits," agreed Marussia's John Booth. "One of the most iconic circuits we go to."


Edited by Risil, 05 September 2014 - 21:27.


#3357 nonobaddog

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Posted 05 September 2014 - 22:12

There is a certain amount of pressure put on F1 team members to only say good things about F1.  Certainly there are some that have pointed out the shortcomings of current F1 management, regulations, cars, sounds etc. but they have been dealt with.  It doesn't surprise me that they make light of that sign since:
1 - they don't have a lot of choice in their allowed reactions.
2 - they possibly actually believe everything is fine in F1 world.
3 - their overstuffed egos won't allow them to admit mistakes have been made.
 
In my opinion F1 took a left turn after 2004 and is still going in wrong directions.
There are a lot of fans that feel that way.  There are also a lot of fans that think F1 is fine the way it is.  The one thing that will get F1's attention is financial pressure.  If enough fans stay away from the races because the show isn't good enough for them to spend their money then F1 will scratch their heads and wonder what is going on.  That may or may not happen, only time will tell.  And only if that happens will F1 consider the opinions of the fans.


#3358 SenorSjon

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Posted 05 September 2014 - 22:18

I hardly register the F1 ident since they stopped using the original one a decade or so ago.

 

 

 



#3359 Tourgott

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 05:27

New tactic from team principals: respond to fan criticism by laughing at fans.
 

 

It's a shame. But to be fair there are also some guys who agree. A few days ago Vettel again said he would love to have back V12. Hamilton also stated he loves the "old school F1".



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#3360 Tourgott

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 13:15

Compare this to today:

 



#3361 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 13:42

So? Been there live this season? Yes the sounds are different, but still deadly when you're live at the track.



#3362 Risil

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 13:46

It's a shame. But to be fair there are also some guys who agree. A few days ago Vettel again said he would love to have back V12. Hamilton also stated he loves the "old school F1".

 

Sure. But at some point you have to ask yourself "Do I want hybrids and factory investment or do I want old school V8s and V12s from Ferrari and a few specialist builders"? By the end there weren't many takers for "old school F1".

 

Personally I think the emphasis on the fuel saving properties of hybrids was wrongheaded, and the FIA/FOM would've been better off showcasing engines that were being made more powerful with hybrids, without any increase in consumption. For the romantic as well as the ignorant, power = performance.



#3363 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 14:02

Compare this to today:

 

 

I agree, but it is what it is. 

 

You can always watch the gentlemen racers in their fantastic screaming machines in Formula BOSS (or whatever it's called).  :clap:



#3364 nonobaddog

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 14:09

Sure. But at some point you have to ask yourself "Do I want hybrids and factory investment or do I want old school V8s and V12s from Ferrari and a few specialist builders"? By the end there weren't many takers for "old school F1".

 

There are only three engine builders this year.  You can't get a whole lot more "specialist" than that.

There has always been factory investment in F1.

It seems to me there are many, many takers for old school F1, including drivers and fans.



#3365 Risil

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 14:19

There are only three engine builders this year.  You can't get a whole lot more "specialist" than that.

There has always been factory investment in F1.

It seems to me there are many, many takers for old school F1, including drivers and fans.

 

"There has always been factory investment in F1" is a bit head-in-the-sand. There will always be, until suddenly there isn't.

 

Renault would've left without hybrid tech. Mercedes didn't say anything publicly that I know of. Ferrari would've stayed, although you wonder what value they'd have seen in F1 ten years down the line with all their competition racing at Le Mans or somewhere. There wasn't even a hint of interest from other manufacturers. F1 either had to go hybrid or low-tech enough that the likes of Cosworth, Judd or AER could fill out the field.

 

Returning to the days of Ferrari and Honda V12s racing Renault V10s racing Ford V8s while Porsches, Yamahas and Peugeots blow up offstage wasn't on the list of options. Sadly.

The situation in F1 isn't perfect now but we'll have four big brands racing in Grand Prix next year. In the absence of investment from non-car sponsors their involvement is more crucial then ever for making F1 seem like a Big Deal. Ask Indycar how far exciting races, a prestigious brand and loads of history get you when no one promotes your racing.


Edited by Risil, 06 September 2014 - 14:25.


#3366 morrino

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 22:12

Compare this to today:

 

 

Not big difference, just:

 

1. Much better camera work, giving a lot more sense of speed. But I think that's is possible because you have only one car making its fast lap, and this is not always the case today.

 

2. The sound.



#3367 SenorSjon

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 22:39

3. A few seconds faster... and that is not only V10 power.
4. Way more emotion that man and machine is put to the limit.

#3368 scheivlak

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 22:51

There are only three engine builders this year.  You can't get a whole lot more "specialist" than that.

There has always been factory investment in F1.

It seems to me there are many, many takers for old school F1, including drivers and fans.

I remember the mid seventies quite well - 2 Ferraris and 24 custom Cossies at one point. Talk about factory investment....

1969 wasn't that glorious either.

 

I'm a great fan of old school F1 - I doesn't impair me to like the new school as well, as long it is good racing.

Had a look at last year's Italian GP an hour or so ago BTW, and I was shocked how unbelievably ugly those high nosed cars suddenly looked to me! Interesting to see how both memory and adaption work.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 02:45

So? Been there live this season? Yes the sounds are different, but still deadly when you're live at the track.

 

I full disagree. I watched 2 races live this year. sounds crap still. 



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 06:02

Compare this to today:
 
https://www.youtube....h?v=6lfC9nviXI0


Yeah,that high pitched scream sounds very annoying now in comparison.

#3371 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 06:05

I might be going down to Friday Practice for the Singapore GP to hear the turbos for myself. Do i still need to bring earplugs?



#3372 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 06:18

I full disagree. I watched 2 races live this year. sounds crap still. 

Speaks the truth.

Thus who imply they sound better in person are being too creative.  Many fans say that in person F1 cars (the pinnacle!) sound WORSE & LESS IMPRESSIVE than lowly primitive (prehistoric pushrod V8s!!!!!  lowly production engine based Porsches!!!!... 1/1000th the price for an ordinary 3.8 litre flat-six from the mass production line compared to the wildly expensive F1 PU) support categories like Porsche Supercup, V8 Supercars, GP2 etc.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 07:00

and I was shocked how unbelievably ugly those high nosed cars suddenly looked to me! Interesting to see how both memory and adaption work.

 

The Mercedes for sure is one of the best looking cars in the last years (which is not so difficult if we remember those ugly stepped noses) but you can't be serious about the ridiculous penis noses and especially the ugly Ferrari. This has nothing to do with sexy race cars.



#3374 scheivlak

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 07:40

The Mercedes for sure is one of the best looking cars in the last years (which is not so difficult if we remember those ugly stepped noses) but you can't be serious about the ridiculous penis noses and especially the ugly Ferrari. This has nothing to do with sexy race cars.

Where did I say anything about those penis noses  :confused:

I find them ugly as well BTW.


Edited by scheivlak, 07 September 2014 - 07:41.


#3375 Lazy

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 07:49

Still sniggering about penises, what is this, pre school?

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 07:53

I hadn't even thought about the sounds or noses maybe after 3rd race. Now I saw this thread and it reminded me of those changes. 

 

Not an issue for me since the racing is much better imo. Really entertaining races. Not falling asleep this season during the races so that proves it for me.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 08:26

I might be going down to Friday Practice for the Singapore GP to hear the turbos for myself. Do i still need to bring earplugs?


Think there's some vintage F1 cars there too, so it would be rude not to watch them, and maybe you'll need plugs for that.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:08

I watched a full onboard race from 2004 (Spa) recently and the thing I noticed immediately was the incredible sound.  Those V10s sounded so much better than the V8s or turbo V6s.  The V10s and V12s back in the early 90s sounded fantastic too.  That being said the racing was terrible in 2004.  Good racing with worse sounding engines is a lot better than the other way around.



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 09:47

Speaks the truth.

Thus who imply they sound better in person are being too creative.  Many fans say that in person F1 cars (the pinnacle!) sound WORSE & LESS IMPRESSIVE than lowly primitive (prehistoric pushrod V8s!!!!!  lowly production engine based Porsches!!!!... 1/1000th the price for an ordinary 3.8 litre flat-six from the mass production line compared to the wildly expensive F1 PU) support categories like Porsche Supercup, V8 Supercars, GP2 etc.

 

I think you've missed a small point - the F1 PU's are designed to propel the car around the track in the best way, not to make a noise. If making a noise is an objective then that needs to be stipulated in the rules (written or unwritten). Otherwise manufacturers are going to focus on moving the car around.



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#3380 Tourgott

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 10:30

I watched a full onboard race from 2004 (Spa) recently and the thing I noticed immediately was the incredible sound.  Those V10s sounded so much better than the V8s or turbo V6s.  The V10s and V12s back in the early 90s sounded fantastic too.  That being said the racing was terrible in 2004.  Good racing with worse sounding engines is a lot better than the other way around.

 

There were boring races and fantastic races. Exactly like in the 90's, 80's, 70's and also like today.

 

Edit - And by the way: If there were no Hamilton AND Rosberg, this year would be the most boring season since many years. Even more boring than the second half of 2013.


Edited by Tourgott, 07 September 2014 - 10:32.


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Posted 07 September 2014 - 11:02

 

Edit - And by the way: If there were no Hamilton AND Rosberg, this year would be the most boring season since many years. Even more boring than the second half of 2013.

Bullshit. We've had fantastic fights all year right behind them: Alonso/Ricciardo, Alonso/Vettel, Williams mixing it up and McLarens and Force Indias occasionally as well. It's very close out there!



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 11:02

There were boring races and fantastic races. Exactly like in the 90's, 80's, 70's and also like today.
 
Edit - And by the way: If there were no Hamilton AND Rosberg, this year would be the most boring season since many years. Even more boring than the second half of 2013.

No, there were a lot more boring races in the nineties and noughties.

I can see no sense behind that claim, seems to me we would be having a fantastic season without those two.

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Posted 07 September 2014 - 11:11

Bullshit. We've had fantastic fights all year right behind them: Alonso/Ricciardo, Alonso/Vettel, Williams mixing it up and McLarens and Force Indias occasionally as well. It's very close out there!

 

Yeah, fantastic fights.

 

push button - catch up - pass

or

struggling for grip - pass

or

save fuel - pass

 

 

Awesome racing  :rolleyes:



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 11:19

I full disagree. I watched 2 races live this year. sounds crap still. 

add me to that list. Absolute sound borefest compared to the GP2 cars. 



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Posted 07 September 2014 - 11:35

Yeah, fantastic fights.

 

push button - catch up - pass

or

struggling for grip - pass

or

save fuel - pass

 

 

Awesome racing  :rolleyes:

 

Is there anything you like about Formula One?

 

It gets rather boring reading your constant negativity. If you really do not like F1, then why bother wasting your time posting here? Leave those of us who are happy to enjoy it.



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 04:04

The Italian GP i don't deny, gave us one of the best races in recent memories. From the front, till the mid pack, i think racing has improved slightly. 

 

However, the looks and sound still, i believe plays a vital key in getting new fans hooked to it. F1 is supposed to be one of a kind. It's supposed to be unique. I was very disappointed when i first heard the sounds on TV. When i watched it live, it was even worse. Back in the era of the V10s, you can dream on about speaking to anyone beside you when the cars pass by. Now, you don't need earplugs or any sort. It's just too friggin quiet. 

 

I will never forget, when back in 2004, the starting grid of all 22 or 24 cars V10s screaming..It was truly the sound of the world coming to an end, or the sound of God himself. 



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Posted 08 September 2014 - 06:38

Lot of empty seats in Monza. The sound does not irritate me much anymore. But as I was watching a race with a lot of things happening and a lot of overtaking, I did somehow feel bored. Maybe because indeed the cars look like shit, the sound is strange and mute and most of the overtaking is DRS fake overtaking. A classic overtake on the Monza straight is pretty difficult, needs to be right from the Parabolica exit, slipstream and good braking. Now you just see it coming with ridiculous ease thanks to DRS. That really is not exciting. Sure there was some good passing here and there but it does not make up for it.



#3388 SenorSjon

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 08:38

I was watching the helicopter view of a pass on the straight. While trailing the cars, you couldn't hear them. I thought the shot was mute, but I heard the chopper. Unthinkable in the past.



#3389 muelte

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 09:40

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#3390 Alexis*27

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Posted 08 September 2014 - 09:42

No news about the potential for 2 exhausts for next year?



#3391 CoolBreeze

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 02:33

How is that gonna solve the sound crisis?



#3392 morrino

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Posted 09 September 2014 - 03:23

New sound is nicee: