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[jonpollak]

It's some kind of breakfast menu or a Bob's Burger item.

Close enough.
Denny's breakfast menu....

Jp

[chrcol]

Usually drivers behave. They don't cheat, at least can't. Because it looks like FIA has a system to automatically run to check nobody used DRS when they can't.


I thought Alonso was bullying Grosjean at the start. That was my first thought when I was watching those irritating start-replays on lap 3. Grosjean was at the left-side edge of the straight and was keeping it pretty straight. Alonso tried to veer into him, but Grosjean didn't blink for a moment. He just kept the steering straight. It was easy for him today, but he did not lose his mind (at least not there) and stood his ground.

It is absolutely disgusting to read Alonso's comments. First it was his mistake (Suzuka 2012 says hello!). Next the spoiled sense of entitlement, always others! Next his satisfaction from the penalty for his other actions. It is quite childish actually - relating the repercussion of some other activity righting the delusional sense of being wronged. He sounds quite desperate and bitter.

I seen vettel using his DRS on a corner, did look odd.

[SilentKiller]

Just realised for every Hamilton win in Hungary, Kimi was 2nd.

[HopkinsonF1]

Well done Hamilton. It sounded, I didn't see the race, like Lewis won because the Pirelli tires held up.

Better to say that the Pirellis meant Lewis didn't lose. He won because of some incredible overtaking – a clean pass on Button and two outrageous moves on Webber.

[1Devil1]

Besides the Hamilton first win this season, is this a race for a rewatch. I didn't have the time yesterday and recorded the races. Normally Hungary could be a very dull and boring races
but the known facts for my make this race quit interesting. Besides kudos to Ham it seems he upped his game the last races.

[anti]

is that link not to the German Grand Prix??

I'm sorry.
Race: :: Pit :: Best lap :: Lap Chart :: History graph

[senna da silva]

Brilliant drive from Lewis.
Fantastic tyre management for Kimi and Lotus, great result.
Shame Vettel had to whine about Kimi, spoiled a good drive in my opinion, Seb needs to mature out of his radio comments.
Romain's overtake on Massa shouldn't have been penalised, there was no advantage gained. But if he was penalised then Massa should have also been penalised for the first lap as he was over the white lines which then put him on the inside of Nico. That said, the penalty for moving over on Button was justified.
I thought Mark wouldn't need the extra pitstop, I think RBR went too conservative there.

[SpaMaster]

^ People read too much into radio comments. Those are heat-of-the-moment things, and they may feel totally different after a few minutes. (Disclaimer: It does not apply to cases where the drivers feel the same way long after the incident as well.) Vettel clearly explained this very emotion in a separate devoted answer yesterday in PC. Basically he says that things come out of mouth out of sheer emotion and helplessness. He said he quickly realized it did seem like earlier anymore. It's the war-cry, blabber so to say. He clearly acknowledged later Kimi's move was not unfair and was a totally racing manouver. We should see some of the radio comments for what they are and not read too much into it.

Edited by SpaMaster, 29 July 2013 - 14:54.

[f1fastestlap]

^ People read too much into radio comments. Those are heat-of-the-moment things, and they may feel totally different after a few minutes. (Disclaimer: It does not apply to cases where the drivers feel the same way long after the incident as well.) Vettel clearly explained this very emotion in a separate devoted answer yesterday in PC. Basically he says that things come out of mouth out of sheer emotion and helplessness. He said he quickly realized it did seem like earlier anymore. It's the war-cry, blabber so to say. He clearly acknowledged later Kimi's move was not unfair and was a totally racing manouver. We should see some of the radio comments for what they are and not read too much into it.

Sure, let's downplay your boy. If it were Hamilton you'll be all over it...

[Vesuvius]

Sure, let's downplay your boy. If it were Hamilton you'll be all over it...

He/she is Kimi fan the most so isn't it a miracle that there is no hate towards Vettel? Not everything circle around your Hamilton you know...

Edited by Vesuvius, 29 July 2013 - 16:12.

[SpaMaster]

Sure, let's downplay your boy. If it were Hamilton you'll be all over it...

Actually, both are my boys (Raikkonen, that is). Back to the point, track-record speaks for itself. Hamilton is a bit of a loose-mouth in general, so his words tend to be taken differently. Vettel, on the other hand, is the most charismatic and the most fan-friendly driver on the grid. No hard feelings. Hamilton has so far come across as a bit of hot-head, whereas Vettel comes across as a bit level-headed!

I would give the same benefit of doubt to Button, Hulkenberg, Rosberg, Ricciardo, etc. too. But not to Alonso, Webber, Grosjean, etc. Happy?

Edited by SpaMaster, 29 July 2013 - 17:00.

[speng]

Actually, both are my boys (Raikkonen, that is). Back to the point, track-record speaks for itself. Hamilton is a bit of a loose-mouth in general, so his words tend to be taken differently. Vettel, on the other hand, is the most charismatic and the most fan-friendly driver on the grid.;) No hard feelings. Hamilton has so far come across as a bit of hot-head, whereas Vettel comes across as a bit level-headed!

I would give the same benefit of doubt to Button, Hulkenberg, Rosberg, Ricciardo, etc. too. But not to Alonso, Webber, Grosjean, etc. Happy?

[study]

Hamilton is a bit of a loose-mouth in general, so his words tend to be taken differently.
Vettel, on the other hand, is the most charismatic and the most fan-friendly driver on the grid.;)
Hamilton has so far come across as a bit of hot-head, whereas Vettel comes across as a bit level-headed!

Reality is sometimes different, I think fans of Vettel view him very differently then you have described him. Its easy to speak ill off someone you're not a fan off and also look the otherway for someone you're a fan off

[toroRosso]

After a rewatch I rememered that I really enjoyed the directing of this GP.

Once they heard something on the radio or RG had his drive through, they showed the viewers the scenes and then cut to the pit wall aswell for reactions. I can't remember seeing it like that before.

[MortenF1]

That bit was good, but they missed all overtakings as they happened, and didn't even show most of them in replay. Grade C!

[joshb]

^ People read too much into radio comments. Those are heat-of-the-moment things, and they may feel totally different after a few minutes. (Disclaimer: It does not apply to cases where the drivers feel the same way long after the incident as well.) Vettel clearly explained this very emotion in a separate devoted answer yesterday in PC. Basically he says that things come out of mouth out of sheer emotion and helplessness. He said he quickly realized it did seem like earlier anymore. It's the war-cry, blabber so to say. He clearly acknowledged later Kimi's move was not unfair and was a totally racing manouver. We should see some of the radio comments for what they are and not read too much into it.

I think FOM have seen Vettel become the pantomine villain so now they will cash in on this and get the extra vierers/interest and play every radio clip where Vettel appears to be frustrated or annoyed, hence whenever Vettel Radio comes on, its him ranting in the heat of the moment, and everyone will slag him off for being 'a spoiled brat' (that's the only term they use, bit more variation needed) when probably the reality is, every driver moans just as much as he does but that never gets aired because they're not the 'bad boy'
FOM also edit Vettel's radio messages and play what they want to suit them and cast him unfairly as a whinger.

They never aired Webber probably slating the team on the radio in qualy becuase Webber is the poor honest chap who puts up with getting shunted all the time, yet the moment Seb questions whether he had enough room it's played out and the world make their minds up on that.

I hope it doesn't come across as too bitter but I can see what's going on

[RockyRaccoon68]

I hope it doesn't come across as too bitter but I can see what's going on

We can all see it, they paint whatever picture they want to paint.

[study]

I think FOM have seen Vettel become the pantomine villain so now they will cash in on this and get the extra vierers/interest and play every radio clip where Vettel appears to be frustrated or annoyed, hence whenever Vettel Radio comes on, its him ranting in the heat of the moment, and everyone will slag him off for being 'a spoiled brat' (that's the only term they use, bit more variation needed) when probably the reality is, every driver moans just as much as he does but that never gets aired because they're not the 'bad boy'
FOM also edit Vettel's radio messages and play what they want to suit them and cast him unfairly as a whinger.

They never aired Webber probably slating the team on the radio in qualy becuase Webber is the poor honest chap who puts up with getting shunted all the time, yet the moment Seb questions whether he had enough room it's played out and the world make their minds up on that.

I hope it doesn't come across as too bitter but I can see what's going on

I think that pretty deluded paranoia actually. Does this painting of the villain only stand for Vettel or can we now go back and rewrite the times Lewis, Button, Alonso and others have being cast in a bad light and blame FOM for it?

[Der Pate]

Read the transcripts of the pit-radio of the races! Can be found after every race. Then you can make a better picture of what happens during the race. Seb cannot be reduced to one message in a 1 1/2 hour race, when he is full of adrenalin...

[tmzxaar]

Read the transcripts of the pit-radio of the races! Can be found after every race. Then you can make a better picture of what happens during the race. Seb cannot be reduced to one message in a 1 1/2 hour race, when he is full of adrenalin...

Where?
Thanks!

[Der Pate]

Where?
Thanks!

Normally you find it there! Here is the transcript of the Nürburgring:

http://www.f1fanatic...dio-transcript/

[senna da silva]

Read the transcripts of the pit-radio of the races! Can be found after every race. Then you can make a better picture of what happens during the race. Seb cannot be reduced to one message in a 1 1/2 hour race, when he is full of adrenalin...

The problem for Seb is it has happened too often. I can't think of another driver who does it as consistently, and it's so easy to say sorry later.

Edited by senna da silva, 29 July 2013 - 22:36.

[DanardiF1]

I think FOM have seen Vettel become the pantomine villain so now they will cash in on this and get the extra vierers/interest and play every radio clip where Vettel appears to be frustrated or annoyed, hence whenever Vettel Radio comes on, its him ranting in the heat of the moment, and everyone will slag him off for being 'a spoiled brat' (that's the only term they use, bit more variation needed) when probably the reality is, every driver moans just as much as he does but that never gets aired because they're not the 'bad boy'
FOM also edit Vettel's radio messages and play what they want to suit them and cast him unfairly as a whinger.

They never aired Webber probably slating the team on the radio in qualy becuase Webber is the poor honest chap who puts up with getting shunted all the time, yet the moment Seb questions whether he had enough room it's played out and the world make their minds up on that.

I hope it doesn't come across as too bitter but I can see what's going on

How do you even know that happened... at least when Vettel's rants are played we know that they actually happened.

FOM choose radio messages that are interesting and relevant... I don't think we can accuse them of being selective based on personal bias!

[DanardiF1]

After a rewatch I rememered that I really enjoyed the directing of this GP.

Once they heard something on the radio or RG had his drive through, they showed the viewers the scenes and then cut to the pit wall aswell for reactions. I can't remember seeing it like that before.

That's a good point... because this is an older circuit as well it means the camera angles and vantage points are much better than you get at some of the newer tracks. The cars look faster here in Hungary because the cameras can get close in and see the cars moving about over bumps, sliding through corners and racing past them on straights.

At too many of the newer tracks all we get are shots from miles away of the front of the cars coming towards us... which takes all the feeling of speed away and makes things dull.

[Der Pate]

The problem for Seb is it has happened too often. I can't think of another driver who does it as consistently, and it's so easy to say sorry later.

Have you ever read the transcripts?

[senna da silva]

Have you ever read the transcripts?

Reading them doesn't necessarily give you the context. Can you name a driver who whines, in car, as much as Seb?

[Vesuvius]

Reading them doesn't necessarily give you the context. Can you name a driver who whines, in car, as much as Seb?

Usually Fernando (not as much lately) and Button is maybe the biggest whiner.

Edited by Vesuvius, 30 July 2013 - 12:22.

[Der Pate]

Reading them doesn't necessarily give you the context. Can you name a driver who whines, in car, as much as Seb?

You don´t read my links, and want constantly want me to give you examples! I´ve better things to do, really!

I could give you lots of examples, when Lewis whines about this or that on the McLaren over the recent years. But as you won´t read them, I safe my time...

Maybe we can agree, that all of the drivers "whine" on the radio. But I´d rather say, it is their duty to tell the pits, what is wrong with car or what they need. These transcripts shouldn´t be official...

Edited by Der Pate, 30 July 2013 - 12:26.

[senna da silva]

Usually Fernando (not as much lately) and Button is maybe the biggest whiner.

Button complained in Hungary about Grosjean, but Romain had just crashed into him. Fair enough though Jenson does do a bit of complaining.

[OO7]

It just cross my mind, the number of similarities this Grand Prix had to last years:
1) Lewis & Kimi finishing P1 & P2 respectively (as usual)
2) Seb being held up by Button
3) Alonso finishing 5th
4) Lewis' team wondering if the tyres would be ok (Last year McLaren were poised to switch Lewis from a 2 stop to 3 stop race)
5) Kimi using the Lotus' characteristic of being kind on the Pirelli's to make a 2 stop race work and climb his way up from the 3rd row.

[Markn93]

http://www.f1fanatic...dio-transcript/

lap67 Guillaume Rocquelin Sebastian Vettel Mate you failed 23. So you need to fail 23 again, then fail 22. Fail 23, fail 22. Fail 22 OK but we need to fail 23 as well, to undo what you did. I’m sorry mate, I know it’s a bad time.

Thought this was quite funny, I mean, the guy's trying to race a bloody F1 car, and he has this in his ear, madness.

[SpaMaster]

^ To me it looks like something related to backing off - either in terms of fuel or to pull back for tyres/brakes.

[Markn93]

^ To me it looks like something related to backing off - either in terms of fuel or to pull back for tyres/brakes.

DC, who drove for them so is a pretty good authority, says it was a sensor failure and they would have to reboot the system, clearly Seb hit the wrong button/setting and had to reboot both.

[BillBald]

It just cross my mind, the number of similarities this Grand Prix had to last years:
1) Lewis & Kimi finishing P1 & P2 respectively (as usual)
2) Seb being held up by Button
3) Alonso finishing 5th
4) Lewis' team wondering if the tyres would be ok (Last year McLaren were poised to switch Lewis from a 2 stop to 3 stop race)
5) Kimi using the Lotus' characteristic of being kind on the Pirelli's to make a 2 stop race work and climb his way up from the 3rd row.

Quite interesting.

The Seb being held up by Button bit - last year McLaren pitted Button prematurely and released Vettel. I suspect that Jenson felt he had some unfinished business...

[Winter98]

FOM choose radio messages that are interesting and relevant... I don't think we can accuse them of being selective based on personal bias!

FOM is in the business of making money. If they believe they can get more viewers, and make more money, by painting drivers in a specific light, they are going to do it.

[Winter98]

The problem for Seb is it has happened too often. I can't think of another driver who does it as consistently, and it's so easy to say sorry later.

SophieB said in the Political Drivers thread:

"In general, I think the word 'political' carries too much in the way of loaded emotional value judgments in the discussion to make grading the drivers on this one very easy. Or rather when we like a person, they have great inter-personal skills. When we are neutral on them, they are political. When we dislike them, they are manipulative. "

Let's face it, this applies perfectly to in-car conversations as well.