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[jjcale]

Hamilton: I can win 10 races with this Mercedes


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My thoughts as well... sort out the tyres and they have the best car this year. The Redbull does not have as efficient downforce this year. Merc has equal downforce but better top speed. Maybe it is the engine that makes the difference... anyway the Merc has a slight edge over the Redbull.

LH also needs Merc to avoid doing "a Macca" by wasting their car advantage through sheer incompetence.

[weareracing]

Sebastian has been so STRONG in the latter half of the season every year since 2009.
Championship number 4 in his pocket, unless, "cough", the circus has it scripted for a Mercedes comeback "cough"
Court case pending anyone

[Dunc]

It wasn't really a duel. Vettel's car in the closing stages was much better than Alonso's car. And Alonso's lack of pace in qualifying also nullified any sort of duel potential in qualifying, whilst there is little between Vettel and Lewis in both Q and R.

What I meant. I'm hoping for a series of GPS where Lewis & Seb go wheel to wheel.

[SealTheDiffuser]

Raikkonen will easily win Spa! Gro will be strong too, and act as buffer. Everyone will concentrate on VET and HAM but eventually RAI will steal the cup!

Btw. last year Spa wasn't Merc or complete Red Bull territory at all.

Edited by SealTheDiffuser, 01 August 2013 - 10:54.

[femi]

We don't know where the limit is; we are on a journey with Lewis and we don't know where the limits are.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/109121

Edited by femi, 01 August 2013 - 11:08.

[superdelphinus]

vettel will go and win the next 4 races and make 90% of people sad. FACT

[femi]

vettel will go and win the next 4 races and make 90% of people sad. FACT

Hope to see you around when that doesn't happen

[Kimbo]

If everything goes perfectly for Hamilton, he should be able to cut the gap significantly in the next 3 rounds (provided Spa stays dry). Spa and Monza should suit Mercedes better than Red Bull, whilst in Singapore if you manage to get pole, you should be able to manage the race from there (well that's what has happened in the last 3 years).

Yeah Vettel has been strong in the Asian leg of the season in recent years, but you would expect that because the Red Bull car was the strongest during those races too. If the roles are reversed this year (Hamilton in the fastest car), then i see no reason why Hamilton can't win those races.

Newey might still have something up his sleeve though.

[Kimbo]

Raikkonen will easily win Spa! Gro will be strong too, and act as buffer. Everyone will concentrate on VET and HAM but eventually RAI will steal the cup!

Btw. last year Spa wasn't Merc or complete Red Bull territory at all.

I don't see what the relevance of this, particularly for Mercedes. It's pretty obvious that they have a much stronger car this year.

[Der Pate]

vettel will go and win the next 4 races and make 90% of people sad. FACT

Why 90% sad? ( I asked, because I would be a part of the minority of 10%?)

[Markn93]

Why 90% sad? ( I asked, because I would be a part of the minority of 10%?)

Because it would rather abruptly end what looks to be an exciting finale to the season. Why 90% exactly? Well Vettel isn't exactly the most popular is he...

[mlsnoopy]

vettel will go and win the next 4 races and make 90% of people sad. FACT

You mean RedBull?

[MikeV1987]

You mean RedBull?

In your eyes the Red Bull drives itself I guess?

[Markn93]

I think RB will find it hard to win Monza.

[Kimbo]

I think RB will find it hard to win Monza.

I think Mercedes and Ferrari will be very strong there.

[1Devil1]

Because it would rather abruptly end what looks to be an exciting finale to the season. Why 90% exactly? Well Vettel isn't exactly the most popular is he...

Comes from a Hamilton fan, Vettel is quiet popular around the world, i wouldn't take this british forum as sign Vettel isn't the most popular. In Germany nobody cares about Hamilton or Button (if you take the majority of the fans). Don't know where your perception comes from.. 90% of the people would be sad because of a Red Bull domination again, my self too, hope Raikkonen and Alonso can get into the mix. Mercedes are so overoptimistic now nearly arrogant, Hamilton - I can win ten races, Mercedes warns for performance improvement. Oh boy they were one race the best and even this is debatable because Vettel got stuck into traffic, they should shut up and drive - they need a lot of luck, the best car, stellar performances of Hamilton to threaten Vettel it's possible but long way down the road. No need for talking

[Der Pate]

Because it would rather abruptly end what looks to be an exciting finale to the season. Why 90% exactly? Well Vettel isn't exactly the most popular is he...

The first reason I understand! The second I don´t understand at makes me sad, because I quiet like Seb! (Maybe the reason for that is, that I speak the same language (sort of as Austrian) and therefore understand his sense of humor etc.) But that´s offtopic...

[Szoelloe]

Comes from a Hamilton fan, Vettel is quiet popular around the world, i wouldn't take this british forum as sign Vettel isn't the most popular. In Germany nobody cares about Hamilton or Button (if you take the majority of the fans). Don't know where your perception comes from.. 90% of the people would be sad because of a Red Bull domination again, my self too, hope Raikkonen and Alonso can get into the mix. Mercedes are so overoptimistic now nearly arrogant, Hamilton - I can win ten races, Mercedes warns for performance improvement. Oh boy they were one race the best and even this is debatable because Vettel got stuck into traffic, they should shut up and drive - they need a lot of luck, the best car, stellar performances of Hamilton to threaten Vettel it's possible but long way down the road. No need for talking

Seriously?

LH has not said that, and Mercedes has not warned anybody about anything. You are quoting tabloid(yes, Autosport too) headlines, without actually reading what is beneath them? Merc has in fact warned that it is not a given that they can keep this form up at every track.

[MikeV1987]

Hamilton sounds a tad overoptimistic saying he can win the next 10 races, if he starts having issues his attitude will quickly change and he will blame something on the car or the tires, same ol same ol.

[Szoelloe]

Hamilton sounds a tad overoptimistic saying he can win the next 10 races, if he starts having issues his attitude will quickly change and he will blame something on the car or the tires, same ol same ol.

Does he?

[Der Pate]

Comes from a Hamilton fan, Vettel is quiet popular around the world, i wouldn't take this british forum as sign Vettel isn't the most popular. In Germany nobody cares about Hamilton or Button (if you take the majority of the fans). Don't know where your perception comes from.. 90% of the people would be sad because of a Red Bull domination again, my self too, hope Raikkonen and Alonso can get into the mix. Mercedes are so overoptimistic now nearly arrogant, Hamilton - I can win ten races, Mercedes warns for performance improvement. Oh boy they were one race the best and even this is debatable because Vettel got stuck into traffic, they should shut up and drive - they need a lot of luck, the best car, stellar performances of Hamilton to threaten Vettel it's possible but long way down the road. No need for talking

You exactly said, what comes more and more into my mind over the last few days. It seems to me, that Mercedes, Hamilton and therefore most of the British fans get carried away. But look, what they achieved till now. Only one win, which wasn´t that dominant...

Even if Hamilton would win every race (or at least the next 7 races, which never happend before in F1), and Vettel would be second in every race, Seb would be leader in the WC until the third-last GP Abu Dhabi. To repeat my comment: Wait at least for the next 2 races! If Mercedes is as dominant as many people think here in the forum, he is a serious threat to Vettel and Red Bull. Right now I don´t think so!

[Markn93]

Comes from a Hamilton fan, Vettel is quiet popular around the world, i wouldn't take this british forum as sign Vettel isn't the most popular. In Germany nobody cares about Hamilton or Button (if you take the majority of the fans). Don't know where your perception comes from.. 90% of the people would be sad because of a Red Bull domination again, my self too, hope Raikkonen and Alonso can get into the mix. Mercedes are so overoptimistic now nearly arrogant, Hamilton - I can win ten races, Mercedes warns for performance improvement. Oh boy they were one race the best and even this is debatable because Vettel got stuck into traffic, they should shut up and drive - they need a lot of luck, the best car, stellar performances of Hamilton to threaten Vettel it's possible but long way down the road. No need for talking

Look this is incredibly OT but being booed on podiums as wide as Canada means this isn't just a British issue, probably based on Multi 21. I didn't say 90%, just reciprocated the original message that used that figure, by a Seb fan I believe, and as for the bolded, that's what exactly fans think when Vettel moans pathetically on the radio, like with Kimi, perhaps another reason not everyone loves him.

Edited by Markn93, 01 August 2013 - 12:15.

[1Devil1]

Seriously?

LH has not said that, and Mercedes has not warned anybody about anything. You are quoting tabloid(yes, Autosport too) headlines, without actually reading what is beneath them? Merc has in fact warned that it is not a given that they can keep this form up at every track.

http://www.theguardi...ton-mercedes-f1

"Last year I didn't feel like I had the car to win 10 races," Hamilton said. "This year I feel I have a car that can win 10 races. The tyres are going to play a massive part of that but I truly believe in this car. It feels awesome"

I don't what you read into this - he was crying about the car and the less downforce at the beginning of the season, in the races about the grip. After one win he is saying this car might be better than is his 2008 car. Schumacher and Vettel always took a different approach to stay calm and focus on the next race. Nobody know what will happens there. In this context statements like that are overoptimistic, or would do you think? I believe Hamilton said that because he is quoted by the Guardian..

Second was my fault, Ross did talk as usually about certain facts in their development. Wouldn't except him to get away with the belief they are the best right now..

[femi]

http://www.theguardi...ton-mercedes-f1

"Last year I didn't feel like I had the car to win 10 races," Hamilton said. "This year I feel I have a car that can win 10 races. The tyres are going to play a massive part of that but I truly believe in this car. It feels awesome"

I don't what you read into this - he was crying about the car and the less downforce at the beginning of the season, in the races about the grip. After one win he is saying this car might be better than is his 2008 car. Schumacher and Vettel always took a different approach to stay calm and focus on the next race. Nobody know what will happens there. In this context statements like that are overoptimistic, or would do you think? I believe Hamilton said that because he is quoted by the Guardian..

Second was my fault, Ross did talk as usually about certain facts in their development. Wouldn't except him to get away with the belief they are the best right now..

Ever heard of hyperbole?

[Markn93]

Good lord, he said "I feel I have a car that can win 10 races" in the same vein that clearly Vettel or Kimi ( perhaps not Alonso but we'll see) also have the capability of winning those races. It's hugely ironic that you find this to be problematic, would you be so appalled if in pre-season Vettel had said he felt he had a car that could win 20 races? Thought not.

[1Devil1]

Look this is incredibly OT but being booed on podiums as wide as Canada means this isn't just a British issue, probably based on Multi 21. I didn't say 90%, just reciprocated the original message that used that figure, by a Seb fan I believe, and as for the bolded, that's what exactly fans think when Vettel moans pathetically on the radio, like with Kimi, perhaps another reason not everyone loves him.

There is a difference between public comments or your team radio. In the heat of the moment a lot of drivers say things like that (Hamilton does this too, even Kimi did it recently, Alonso is one of the top whiner). Vettel even admitted that he is spoiled in this situations and needs a few seconds to come down - I see no connection between a comment in front of the media where you exactly know what will be made out or a situation which is driven by instinct. Shut up and drive was referred to overoptimistic comments in front of the media..

[superdelphinus]

Hope to see you around when that doesn't happen

don't get me wrong, I don't actually want that to happen!

[Szoelloe]

http://www.theguardi...ton-mercedes-f1

"Last year I didn't feel like I had the car to win 10 races," Hamilton said. "This year I feel I have a car that can win 10 races. The tyres are going to play a massive part of that but I truly believe in this car. It feels awesome"

I don't what you read into this - he was crying about the car and the less downforce at the beginning of the season, in the races about the grip. After one win he is saying this car might be better than is his 2008 car. Schumacher and Vettel always took a different approach to stay calm and focus on the next race. Nobody know what will happens there. In this context statements like that are overoptimistic, or would do you think? I believe Hamilton said that because he is quoted by the Guardian..

Second was my fault, Ross did talk as usually about certain facts in their development. Wouldn't except him to get away with the belief they are the best right now..

I have read that too, but he is only speaking about how the car feels, and I think it has been taken out of context.

That(on Sky), and some more quotes are more grounded quotes( Guardian, heh??

"When I signed I didn't think I would win a race this season. [Now] we've had the hottest race of the whole year and we had a performance like we did.

"It definitely gives me confidence for the next nine races [that] we can continue moving forward and have some more good opportunities to win, especially when we go to Spa where it's cooler [which] might be better for us."

[superdelphinus]

Why 90% sad? ( I asked, because I would be a part of the minority of 10%?)

just an arbitrary figure with little thought behind it

[1Devil1]

Ever heard of hyperbole?

Yeah, I understood he doesn't mean this car will win the next ten races.. "The 2008 McLaren was pretty good. I want to say the Mercedes is even better than that." After one freaking race he is referring to his championship machinery? Don't know would will happened if performances drops like in Germany. Mercedes is a superb car, but in the past it didn't have the consistency - by no means of the 2008 McLaren.

[Markn93]

There is a difference between public comments or your team radio. In the heat of the moment a lot of drivers say things like that (Hamilton does this too, even Kimi did it recently, Alonso is one of the top whiner). Vettel even admitted that he is spoiled in this situations and needs a few seconds to come down - I see no connection between a comment in front of the media where you exactly know what will be made out or a situation which is driven by instinct. Shut up and drive was referred to overoptimistic comments in front of the media..

Of course they do, they're some of the most competitive people in the world in one of the most intense environments imaginable. I'm not blaming him or criticising him for it, just most people don't understand that when they watch on tv or whatever, it's a reason that people aren't crazy about him (I myself am included but it varies, he seems like a very nice guy sometimes), not saying it's exclusive to him by any means. I think are only difference between you and I is you have a serious problem with Lewis thinking he can win all the remaining races. He's not saying he is going to just he reckons he will be able to, big difference, and once you realise that hopefully all your issues with this matter will evaporate, unless of course, you don't want them to.

[Der Pate]

I was also very sad, when I heard the booing in Hungary. But maybe it´s because of the fact, that there were lots of Finish fans there, who support Kimi. There were as well many Ferraristi. And there were many British Hamilton-supporters. These F1-fans won´t cheer for Seb. So it leaves only the German and Austrian fans. German because of Vettel´s nationality and Austrians because of Red Bull. And Vettel cannot have all the German fans on his side, because there are too many German drivers in the field as well as Mercedes.

And the successful driver/team never has many supporters. After your first win, they cheer, after your second win they start to hate you...

[Markn93]

I was also very sad, when I heard the booing in Hungary. But maybe it´s because of the fact, that there were lots of Finish fans there, who support Kimi. There were as well many Ferraristi. And there were many British Hamilton-supporters. These F1-fans won´t cheer for Seb. So it leaves only the German and Austrian fans. German because of Vettel´s nationality and Austrians because of Red Bull. And Vettel cannot have all the German fans on his side, because there are too many German drivers in the field as well as Mercedes.

And the successful driver/team never has many supporters. After your first win, they cheer, after your second win they start to hate you...

All very plausible points, which I agree with. But also don't forget the media (unsurprisingly) didn't paint him in the best light after Malaysia and the comments in China. They certainly didn't help, to say the least.

[Szoelloe]

I was also very sad, when I heard the booing in Hungary. But maybe it´s because of the fact, that there were lots of Finish fans there, who support Kimi. There were as well many Ferraristi. And there were many British Hamilton-supporters. These F1-fans won´t cheer for Seb. So it leaves only the German and Austrian fans. German because of Vettel´s nationality and Austrians because of Red Bull. And Vettel cannot have all the German fans on his side, because there are too many German drivers in the field as well as Mercedes.

And the successful driver/team never has many supporters. After your first win, they cheer, after your second win they start to hate you...

I don't think there was booing in Hungary. He had a quite healthy cheer from the crowd on the podium. definitely less than KR, but he was actually cheered.

[Der Pate]

Of course they do, they're some of the most competitive people in the world in one of the most intense environments imaginable. I'm not blaming him or criticising him for it, just most people don't understand that when they watch on tv or whatever, it's a reason that people aren't crazy about him (I myself am included but it varies, he seems like a very nice guy sometimes), not saying it's exclusive to him by any means. I think are only difference between you and I is you have a serious problem with Lewis thinking he can win all the remaining races. He's not saying he is going to just he reckons he will be able to, big difference, and once you realise that hopefully all your issues with this matter will evaporate, unless of course, you don't want them to.

1. Maybe when there are 90% of people here, who don´t like Vettel and don´t understand me as a supporter of Red Bull AND Vettel, I never understood, why the British F1-fans are so crazy about Hamilton? I mean, I didn´t like him since he came to F1, but over the years respect him. But as there are other British drivers like Button or Di Resta, I don´t understand, why they don´t get the same support like Hamilton? Don´t want to start a discussion about that! I´m just simple curious...

2. The statement of Lewis with the 10 possible wins could be understood different. Imagine Vettel or Alonso doing that?

[Markn93]

1. Maybe when there are 90% of people here, who don´t like Vettel and don´t understand me as a supporter of Red Bull AND Vettel, I never understood, why the British F1-fans are so crazy about Hamilton? I mean, I didn´t like him since he came to F1, but over the years respect him. But as there are other British drivers like Button or Di Resta, I don´t understand, why they don´t get the same support like Hamilton? Don´t want to start a discussion about that! I´m just simple curious...

2. The statement of Lewis with the 10 possible wins could be understood different. Imagine Vettel or Alonso doing that?

I'd be fine with it, because it's true, they could (although perhaps swap Kimi and Alonso). If Max Chilton said it, I'd obviously have a problem.

[bub]

Yeah, I understood he doesn't mean this car will win the next ten races.. "The 2008 McLaren was pretty good. I want to say the Mercedes is even better than that." After one freaking race he is referring to his championship machinery? Don't know would will happened if performances drops like in Germany. Mercedes is a superb car, but in the past it didn't have the consistency - by no means of the 2008 McLaren.

Well he's driven both the cars so he should know how they feel. He hasn't said he will win the WDC. As for "shut up and drive", I don't think it's a good idea to just remain silent in front of the media. He's just giving people a bit of hope that Red Bull might not easily win every race "The tyres are going to play a massive part but I truly believe in this car. It feels awesome." "It feels it's there with the Red Bulls and the Lotuses. I think our pace was very similar. If we can continue with that qualifying pace, get ourselves up front and have the tyres working as they did [on Sunday] we can fight with them."
If he downplays the car people complain about that too.

Edited by bub, 01 August 2013 - 13:14.

[Kimbo]

Well he's driven both the cars so he should know how they feel. He hasn't said he will win the WDC. As for "shut up and drive", I don't think it's a good idea to just remain silent in front of the media. He's just giving people a bit of hope that Red Bull might not easily win every race "The tyres are going to play a massive part but I truly believe in this car. It feels awesome."It feels it's there with the Red Bulls and the Lotuses. I think our pace was very similar. If we can continue with that qualifying pace, get ourselves up front and have the tyres working as they did [on Sunday] we can fight with them."
If he downplays the car people complain about that too.

I agree it's as if he can do no right.

[gtbred]

A fight with a major car company and a drink company.

[superdelphinus]

Hamilton sounds a tad overoptimistic saying he can win the next 10 races, if he starts having issues his attitude will quickly change and he will blame something on the car or the tires, same ol same ol.

All he said was he feels he has a car that has the potential to win the remaining races. Vettel could say exactly the same thing and it'd be equally correct. He's not saying "i'm going to win all of the remaining races", whilst beating his chest and doing chuck norris impressions.

[superdelphinus]

I don't think there was booing in Hungary. He had a quite healthy cheer from the crowd on the podium. definitely less than KR, but he was actually cheered.

yeah there was. it's only pantomime though