Mclaren and the 2007 WDC
#1
Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:37
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#2
Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:51
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*he still flipped the switch
#3
Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:52
No he didn't.I don't see this lasting but while it does - he hit the pit limiter. Kovalainen done the same in the next race at Melbourne. But when you lose the WDC having accidentally flipped a switch, you don't publicly admit it.
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*he still flipped the switch
#4
Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:54
No he didn't.
As mentioned above, Kovalainen had a similar 'incident' in Melbourne that allowed Alonso back passed him in the closing laps for 4th.
No so long after, McLaren moved that switch.
#5
Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:55
#6
Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:57
As mentioned above, Kovalainen had a similar 'incident' in Melbourne that allowed Alonso back passed him in the closing laps for 4th.
No so long after, McLaren moved that switch.
In before the lock... No, he didn't hit the pit limiter- the car went into neutral.
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:58
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:59
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 17:59
#10
Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:02
It is the summer break and while counting down to the next gp, I have been watching old races. Having watched the 2007 season again, I seem to think there was somethings not quite right in the last two races. First, how on earth does an established F1 team make that kind of blunder in terms of strategy in a race (China) secondly has anyother driver car experienced the kind of fault/glitch that LH experienced? It is the summer break after all so I can help but wonder, did macca throw the title as part of some deal?
Mika Hakkinen Brazil 1999 comes to mind.
#11
Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:02
I don't see this lasting but while it does - he hit the pit limiter. Kovalainen done the same in the next race at Melbourne. But when you lose the WDC having accidentally flipped a switch, you don't publicly admit it.
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*he still flipped the switch
He did, hence he slowed down slightly for around 1-2 seconds rather than coming virtually to a complete stop. Hamilton's gearbox decided to jump into neutral mid down shift and refused to get out of it until the electronic system was reset.
You'll note he presses the neutral button after the malfunction and doesn't go near any other buttons on the steering wheel before/during the failure...
Edited by olliek88, 12 August 2013 - 18:05.
#12
Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:09
#13
Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:18
Edited by DutchQuicksilver, 12 August 2013 - 18:18.
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:22
#15
Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:28
Such toshDecide for yourself, to me it looks like he hit something...
#16
Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:31
Decide for yourself, to me it looks like he hit something...
Looks like his left thumb touched the wrong button, who knows though.
Edited by MikeV1987, 12 August 2013 - 18:32.
#17
Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:32
Decide for yourself, to me it looks like he hit something...
Nah, see the better quality video posted by Ollie K. You'll notice it going from 7th to a box full of neutrals. When it re-engages it does so in 7th and he has to go all the way down the gears.
#18
Posted 12 August 2013 - 18:37
No way could the car be judged to be a clone of the Ferrari yet be allowed to win the WDC. LDM wouldn't have allowed that - no way!
Mclaren cheated, so Ferrari inherited the WCC and WDC by default. The rest was just for the show
#19
Posted 12 August 2013 - 19:30
IBTL
No way could the car be judged to be a clone of the Ferrari yet be allowed to win the WDC. LDM wouldn't have allowed that - no way!
Mclaren cheated, so Ferrari inherited the WCC and WDC by default. The rest was just for the show
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that Max/Bernie had a deal with Ron Dennis, not only was Dennis required to leave and never mind the astro-fine, but Mac had to throw the championship as well...
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Posted 12 August 2013 - 19:30
#21
Posted 12 August 2013 - 20:06
It wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that Max/Bernie had a deal with Ron Dennis, not only was Dennis required to leave and never mind the astro-fine, but Mac had to throw the championship as well...
With two races to go, the first non-McLaren was 17 points behind. One DNF for Kimi and McLaren could not have lost the WDC. If they needed to lose, wouldn't they have allowed the championship lead to be reeled in a little earlier?
Edited by garoidb, 12 August 2013 - 20:07.
#22
Posted 12 August 2013 - 20:14
...He has all the answers on this one...
#23
Posted 12 August 2013 - 21:49
As mentioned above, Kovalainen had a similar 'incident' in Melbourne that allowed Alonso back passed him in the closing laps for 4th.
No so long after, McLaren moved that switch.
Switch can be flipped back in 2-3 seconds which Kovalainen did promptly. Lewis lost 45s or so.
Either Lewis Hamilton is a ****** or ppl who propose theory are
#24
Posted 12 August 2013 - 22:02
Indeed, I've often wondered why only the team gets the stick for leaving him out there in the first place - why didn't LH himself take the lead and come in? I find it difficult to imagine Alonso or Raikkonen would have driven around lap after lap on a delaminating tyre awaiting instructions from the team.
#25
Posted 12 August 2013 - 22:03
I don't think we will ever know if there was a deal to throw away the championship, but the whole China tyre fiasco was a complete joke.
#26
Posted 12 August 2013 - 22:08
Those where fun times!Where is Slategray?
...He has all the answers on this one...
#27
Posted 12 August 2013 - 22:16
I see the idea that Mclaren were solely and entirely responsible for screwing up LH's title hopes is still doing the rounds. The title was lost when Hamilton drove into the gravel trip attempting to enter the pitlane. This was a mistake that is not excused by his tyre problems.
Indeed, I've often wondered why only the team gets the stick for leaving him out there in the first place - why didn't LH himself take the lead and come in? I find it difficult to imagine Alonso or Raikkonen would have driven around lap after lap on a delaminating tyre awaiting instructions from the team.
I can see why people find it difficult accepting that a deal was brokered to throw the championship. If such a deal did exist then one could argue that the championship is not what it appears and is perhaps fixed. So most shut off to the notion, else why bother watching in the first place.
The 2007 WDC had it been won by Lewis would most likely have been challenged by Ferrari, rightly so IMHO. Convicted drug cheats are not permitted to retain their medals because their performance is deemed to have been tainted. The 2007 Mclaren was tainted, fined $100m and all WCC points scrapped from the record books - it is impossible that the same car would then be recorded as the WDC. Impossible!
If the car was deemed illegal and banned, how could said car then win the WDC?The WDC encapsulates the whole sport in the eyes of the public, so an illegal car winning could be argued to bring the whole sport into disrepute.
It makes sense - to some, but not to all
#28
Posted 12 August 2013 - 22:18
In their rookie year? How can you have a clue about that? The tyre didn't delaminate either.I see the idea that Mclaren were solely and entirely responsible for screwing up LH's title hopes is still doing the rounds. The title was lost when Hamilton drove into the gravel trip attempting to enter the pitlane. This was a mistake that is not excused by his tyre problems.
Indeed, I've often wondered why only the team gets the stick for leaving him out there in the first place - why didn't LH himself take the lead and come in? I find it difficult to imagine Alonso or Raikkonen would have driven around lap after lap on a delaminating tyre awaiting instructions from the team.
After Nurburgring where Lewis made such a bad tyre call the team obviously would have told him to gain more experience before diving into the pits on his own initiative.
Of course the mistake is excused by the state of his tyres, he was on canvas.
Lewis had 20 seconds on Alonso and the team frittered it away.
Then in Brazil they gave him the wrong cooling package, it turned out they hadn't practised a gearbox reset with him, and gave him that fail of a short stint on options without knowing how the primes were lasting.
It was Ron who blew it, probably with the stress and emotion of Stepneygate, Max and Alonso.
#29
Posted 12 August 2013 - 22:32
#30
Posted 12 August 2013 - 22:39
Still Raikkonen lost 10 places or so in about one lap last year in China soldiering on with tyres that went off the cliff.I find it difficult to imagine Alonso or Raikkonen would have driven around lap after lap on a delaminating tyre awaiting instructions from the team.
And Alonso was suddenly hapless continuing on shot tyres in Montreal last year....
#31
Posted 12 August 2013 - 22:46
#32
Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:41
Nice try, but there's plenty of other 2007 related threads still out there, and this just has no future.
Closed.