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#1 Stephen W

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:38

I caught the ITV4 programme on the Classic meeting last night. Although only one hour it did a lot better job of showing the racing than their previous efforts at covering both the Festival of Speed and the Revival meeting at Goodwood.

There were interviews with the winners of most of the featured races. A short interview with Murray Walker (nice to see the old boy back in action) plus a few panoramic shots of the assembled car clubs offerings. My only critique would be that Jonathan Legard was a complete numpty when it came to the model numbers of the cars and he wasn't much better at spotting what was happening with drivers during the several incidents featured.

Certainly an eight out of ten!

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#2 Macca

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 08:49

Yes, I saw it and would agree with that.

Driving standards seemed to be quite poor, so it's not just the Revival where they push so hard. Perhaps the enormous width of the track has something to do with it?

Pity the XJR14 was allowed in with the Group C race...........nice car but not Gp C really.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:03

I caught the ITV4 programme on the Classic meeting last night. Although only one hour it did a lot better job of showing the racing than their previous efforts at covering both the Festival of Speed and the Revival meeting at Goodwood.

There were interviews with the winners of most of the featured races. A short interview with Murray Walker (nice to see the old boy back in action) plus a few panoramic shots of the assembled car clubs offerings. My only critique would be that Jonathan Legard was a complete numpty when it came to the model numbers of the cars and he wasn't much better at spotting what was happening with drivers during the several incidents featured.

Certainly an eight out of ten!

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I wouldn't disagree with any of that - it was certainly a lot better than I was expecting. I was dreading some kind of "B-List Celeb fest", along the lines of the rather limp effort by ITV of this year's Festival of Speed, but we were mercifully spared that.

I actually thought Louise Goodman (of whom I am not normally a huge fan) did pretty well, although I agree about Jonathan Legard. I realise that historics are probably not his forte/ specialist area of interest, but seriously - a Chevron B One-Nine?!? Please....

With regard to the driving standards, I think the MSA and/ or event organisers have to take a firm stance (perhaps along the lines of Goodwood, employing a driving standards official) and impose the appropriate sanctions against those guilty of reckless driving. Nobody wants to see a Porsche 917 driven in anger more than I, but Gary Pearson showed how it should be done - the car's (brisk but somewhat wayward) owner rather less so....

Edited by hamsterace, 16 August 2013 - 09:06.


#4 mfd

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:11

Nobody wants to see a Porsche 917...

Is that a nine-one-seven or a nine-seventeen?  ;)

#5 Macca

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:24

I dunno, but there were a lot of those nine-one-ones on track...........

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 09:44

I enjoyed it. It was certainly better than their Goodwood offerings showing more of the on-track action and less of the 'hoo-ha'. The only very mild gripe is that [inevitably] they had to give fleeting coverage to some of the races that I would like to have seen more of.

Will it encourage the layman, non-dedicated enthusiast, 'eff wun' fan, etc to attend next year? I think so.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 10:41

Driving standards seemed to be quite poor, so it's not just the Revival where they push so hard. Perhaps the enormous width of the track has something to do with it? Paul M

Paul,
You are absolutely right : driving standards were very patchy. I thought it was considerably worse than, say, the three previous years. Too many drivers being Weekend Heroes. I co-drove an Alfa GTA in the Under Two Litre touring cars : 50 starters, 33 finishers and lots of car damage ... and this in a series where driving standards are normally well-policed. The front-end of Jason Wright's very original GTA Alfa was seriously damaged in an incident that was by all accounts avoidable. I have never spent so much time avoiding being hit and being as how I was driving someone else's car that was important. Simon Hadfield and Jackie Oliver were a model of good race-driving when they passed me, but being lapped by some of the others .... phew, get a life, Red Bull ain't going to be ringing you on Monday morning ....
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 11:01

Indeed good coverage - seemed to be a lot of expensive and difficult damage.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 13:11

I assume Ledgard was commentating on the film and could only see as much as we could. I guess that we, even us, would need to watch it a good few times to pick out all that was happening, somehow it is not like seeing the whole thing live when one is aware of the complete scene.

#10 john aston

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 14:57

Dire picture quality -looked like 80s video. Too much info re results- if you are that bothered just look 'em up on HSCC website. No in car stuff and - criminally - no coverage of 60s saloons and FF and FJ- which offered the best racing.But better than nowt.

Edited by john aston, 16 August 2013 - 14:58.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 15:23

Is that a nine-one-seven or a nine-seventeen? ;)

Interesting. So what do you call a 908?

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 15:33

Well, I say 'nine-oh-eight', 'nine-eleven' and 'nine-one-seven' - and 'three-five-six', 'five-fifty' and 'seven-one-eight'. So I suppose it's a case of what rolls off the tongue easiest.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 15:54

Interesting. So what do you call a 908?


Easy, it's a ninety-eight.


#14 D-Type

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 15:55

Easy, it's a ninety-eight.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 17:08

Well, I say 'nine-oh-eight', 'nine-eleven' and 'nine-one-seven' - and 'three-five-six', 'five-fifty' and 'seven-one-eight'. So I suppose it's a case of what rolls off the tongue easiest.

Me too, irrespective as to whether it's decidedly uncouth or nouveau-riche as was alluded to earlier. I also say nine-five-six, nine-six-two, nine-nine-three, nine-six-four etc The only exception to the rule is nine-eleven unless the model has a specific name.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 17:24

I assume Ledgard was commentating on the film and could only see as much as we could. I guess that we, even us, would need to watch it a good few times to pick out all that was happening, somehow it is not like seeing the whole thing live when one is aware of the complete scene.


But seeing a car going through a pile of sand/sawdust/whatever they use on oil spills and saying that it has just emitted an ominous puff of smoke suggests he wasn't even paying much attention to the film...


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 17:43

Well, I say 'nine-oh-eight', 'nine-eleven' and 'nine-one-seven' - and 'three-five-six', 'five-fifty' and 'seven-one-eight'. So I suppose it's a case of what rolls off the tongue easiest.

Yes, I too can remember when nine-eleven was a Porsche Type number.
Seems to have a different meaning now, even in the non-US-speaking world.
ETA but then I can remember normal people pronouncing both syllables of the word Porsche. . .

Edited by Allan Lupton, 16 August 2013 - 17:45.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 18:23

irrespective as to whether it's decidedly uncouth or nouveau-riche as was alluded to earlier.

Voosh - that went right over my head, so can you explain what & where please

#19 Gary C

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 18:53

this programme was produced by David Coulthard / Jake Humphrey's company...............better than this years' bluddy Goodwood offerings.

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#20 kayemod

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 19:08

ETA but then I can remember normal people pronouncing both syllables of the word Porsche. . .


That one grates with me as well, but the pronunciation of foreign car names has always been inconsistent. If we say BMW the way we do in the UK, why not "Bay Emm Vay" as in German, why not "Fau Vay" instead of our customary VW? and why do most here say "Alfa Ro May Oh" instead of the Italian "Alfa Ro Mee Oh"? This almost deserves a thread of its own, but maybe it's more Paddock Club.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 19:32

But seeing a car going through a pile of sand/sawdust/whatever they use on oil spills and saying that it has just emitted an ominous puff of smoke suggests he wasn't even paying much attention to the film...

Both Barbara and I shouted at the screen at that point Peter
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Posted 16 August 2013 - 19:46

'But seeing a car going through a pile of sand/sawdust/whatever they use on oil spills and saying that it has just emitted an ominous puff of smoke suggests he wasn't even paying much attention to the film...
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Hmm....if the voiceover was added to the already edited pictures, you would have thought the Director would have asked him for a re-take.

#23 Sharman

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:47

'But seeing a car going through a pile of sand/sawdust/whatever they use on oil spills and saying that it has just emitted an ominous puff of smoke suggests he wasn't even paying much attention to the film...
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Hmm....if the voiceover was added to the already edited pictures, you would have thought the Director would have asked him for a re-take.


Always supposing the Director was sufficiently Au Fait with the subject.

#24 Stephen W

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:32

Easy, it's a ninety-eight.


So when you stick a Cadbury's Flake in one it becomes a 99!


But seeing a car going through a pile of sand/sawdust/whatever they use on oil spills and saying that it has just emitted an ominous puff of smoke suggests he wasn't even paying much attention to the film...


That really was an awful mistake and typified his woeful efforts.

Both Barbara and I shouted at the screen at that point Peter
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I bet you didn't use the word I used! It rhymes with banker!

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 08:30

That really was an awful mistake and typified his woeful efforts.


I bet you didn't use the word I used! It rhymes with banker!


Given I wasn't watching it closely I noticed it and was amazed that an experienced professional sat in a studio, being paid to commentate didn't see it.

It could easily have been a very good programme - footage was good, Louise Ok (not the same as Amanda Cohn/Stretton/Berridge though), but the voice over seemed to be very half arsed and his pronunciation of various names and numbers really grated.
One problem with the footage is that narrow old cars look lost on such a wide circuit, some tighter views could have made it look more exciting - but the huge variety in lines being taken might have prevented that!

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 15:06

Re the earlier posts on the way model numbers are expressed, it would have helped if Legard could even pronounce Porsche (it's NOT Porsh).

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 15:12

You've read Post 20?

#28 Gregor Marshall

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 15:17

Legard's commentary was embarrassing and the driving standards terrible, but at least if you weren't there you got to see the action I suppose. :(

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 15:28

Legard's commentary was embarrassing and the driving standards terrible, but at least if you weren't there you got to see the action I suppose. :(

So I guess the selection of Legard was the choice of Whisper
http://www.whisperfilms.co.uk/clients


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 15:36

So I guess the selection of Legard was the choice of Whisper
http://www.whisperfilms.co.uk/clients

Wouldn't an outfit with a name like that have used whispering Dan Cruickshank?

oh, and is the "g" in Legard hard or soft, please?

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 15:58

Legard's commentary was embarrassing and the driving standards terrible, but at least if you weren't there you got to see the action I suppose. :(



Sorry Gregor but that just is not right about the event even if you formed the view from the highlights. Some of the featured races included examples of suspect driving but having spent three days at the Classic in person the vast majority of the driving I witnessed was clean and professional- none more so than in FF and FJ races.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 16:06

Wouldn't an outfit with a name like that have used whispering Dan Cruickshank?

If you watch the "showreel" I get the feeling the choice of name is ironic?

#33 Gary C

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 17:10

as far as I know....this is the second programme they have produced, the first was on the subject of Lewis Hamilton's brother.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 17:21

oh, and is the "g" in Legard hard or soft, please?

From the spelling it should be hard - in any European language I know - but he seems to fancy Ledgeard


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 18:00

Perhaps everyone should email Whisper and say well done but don't use Legard again! That's the only way they will leanr and we have to encourage them.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 18:21

Sorry Gregor but that just is not right about the event even if you formed the view from the highlights. Some of the featured races included examples of suspect driving but having spent three days at the Classic in person the vast majority of the driving I witnessed was clean and professional- none more so than in FF and FJ races.


...and bearing in mind that some of the front runners in both HFF and HFJ are either teenagers or in their early twenties, that's particularly good to see.


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Posted 17 August 2013 - 19:20

as far as I know....this is the second programme they have produced, the first was on the subject of Lewis Hamilton's brother.

67 in the portfolio Gary and that doesn't include Nick H. Their showreel voiceover proclaims they know how & who to approach to get permissions and the means to get them broadcast.

#38 Gary C

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 19:50

there's lots of corporates in there....in my world, that doesn't count.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 20:58

there's lots of corporates in there....in my world, that doesn't count.

I think their primary interest is £££ they're not doing it for art's sake Gary

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:50

Sorry Gregor but that just is not right about the event even if you formed the view from the highlights. Some of the featured races included examples of suspect driving but having spent three days at the Classic in person the vast majority of the driving I witnessed was clean and professional- none more so than in FF and FJ races.


Sorry John, but it is right in this instance. The thead is about the coverage on ITV4 and from that coverage shown the driving standards were very poor in the majority of races shown.
I cannot comment on the other races and therefore reserve judgement, but what I saw I didn't like.
As I said, I didn't go to the Classic this year and it was good ITV4 showed what they did for those of us who didn't have the opportunity to go, but the commentary and driving spoilt what I'm sure was a fantastic event overall.