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[SophieB]

This thread is for discussing updates/developments to the F138 and carries on the discussion begun here:

 

Ferrari F138: The race car 

Ferrari F138: The race car Part II

 

Please do not use this thread to air your views on the drivers or the management of the team, thanks.

 

Oh, and good luck for qualifying today and the race tomorrow!

 

 

[Motorbreath]

Hope we can transfer the FP3 form to Quali. 

[Mackey]

Results from FP3 last year:

1 	5 	Fernando Alonso
2 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen 
3 	15 	Sergio Perez
4 	14 	Kamui Kobayashi
5 	3 	Jenson Button
6 	6 	Felipe Massa

And qualy:

1 	3 	Jenson Button
2 	14 	Kamui Kobayashi
3 	18 	Pastor Maldonado
4 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen
5 	15 	Sergio Perez
6 	5 	Fernando Alonso

14 	6 	Felipe Massa

So let´s keep expectations in check

 

[jstrains]

Lauda expects Ferrari at the front together with RBR

[ConsiderAndGo]

Results from FP3 last year:

1 	5 	Fernando Alonso
2 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen 
3 	15 	Sergio Perez
4 	14 	Kamui Kobayashi
5 	3 	Jenson Button
6 	6 	Felipe Massa

And qualy:

1 	3 	Jenson Button
2 	14 	Kamui Kobayashi
3 	18 	Pastor Maldonado
4 	9 	Kimi Räikkönen
5 	15 	Sergio Perez
6 	5 	Fernando Alonso

14 	6 	Felipe Massa

So let´s keep expectations in check

This.

[kosmos]

Now with rain, I don't know what to expect from the car.

[Enzoluis]

According tos "La Gazzetta dello sport" Ferrari contacted Newey.

Edited by Enzoluis, 24 August 2013 - 12:05.

[sheepgobba]

Car so far in qualifying seems reasonable. 

 

Q3 will certainly be interesting 'for sure'

[Massa]

Ferrari is so STUPID

[topical]

Absolutely pathetic team. Vettel p.2, Ferrari on row 5. Way to win a championship guys.

Edited by topical, 24 August 2013 - 13:04.

[currupipi]

9 and 10 th     great , another race another sh.... qualy

[kosmos]

Epic failure. Bad timing by Ferrari and big mistake by Alonso.

[ConsiderAndGo]

What a pathetic racing team. Basic, basic errors.        

[Massa]

Massa have a shot for the pole, and they pit him while Alonso was faster than his time. It's STUPID. Montezemolo have to fire them all.

[currupipi]

speechless, even the races we seem to have a better car we end up at the back in qualy,   so whats this another damage limitation weekend

[Tosh]

Painful to watch  . The car had the potential here but alas.

[herra47]

Ferrari is so STUPID

 

It was Alonsos mistake. He screwed up his first timed lap in q3. He would have had time to start another lap if he wouldn't had let Kimi past.

Edited by herra47, 24 August 2013 - 13:12.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Doesn't surprise me anymore. All you can do is laugh at the epic incompetence.

[MoP]

can't believe that they butchered both cars quali.....

[Massa]

It was Alonsos mistake. He screwed up his first timed lap in q3.

 

 

Why they ask to Massa to pit ? Alonso was faster than Massa time and they knew it. With Alonso mistake, Massa was the only option available to the first two row. Now we are 9 and 10; grande job grande

[ViMaMo]

It was Alonsos mistake. He screwed up his first timed lap in q3.

 

How did Hamilton, Webber and Vettel find time to do a final run when conditions were better in the final dying secs? 

Edited by ViMaMo, 24 August 2013 - 13:10.

[Borko]

What would be different if Alonso did not make a mistake? I think he still wouldn't have enoguh time for another lap. He went out on the track last, that was the problem

[CrucialXtreme]

Very poor strategy but the car is damn good. Definitely much better in relation to the others and arguably the best car this weekend. Depends on how things go tomorrow but a good result is possible.

[Disgrace]

When was the last time Ferrari was the only team to make the right or a good call?

[Tosh]

How did Hamilton, Webber and Vettel find time to do a final run when conditions were better in the final dying secs? 

I think Alonso made a mistake in his first attemp costing him valuable seconds to have one final try.

[Richard T]

So pissed on how the team throwed this away,.

[Massa]

When was the last time Ferrari was the only team to make the right or a good call?

 

 

Barcelona.

[abc]

So pissed on how the team throwed this away,.

Team or Alonso?

[Motorbreath]

Just when the car looked good.... so frustrating.

[discover23]

What would be different if Alonso did not make a mistake? I think he still wouldn't have enoguh time for another lap. He went out on the track last, that was the problem

of course he could have. But who was the idiot who said pit?

[Motorbreath]

Team or Alonso?

 

I yelled at the TV change the tires right away and go out... but no, they decided to wait some more time in the pits... also, when the rain started at the beginning of Q3 they were last in the pit lane to go out... Poor poor strategy... also why pit Massa? 

[Disgrace]

Team or Alonso?

 

If the team had got it right, Massa would not have been out-qualified by Alonso.

[discover23]

I think Alonso made a mistake in his first attemp costing him valuable seconds to have one final try.

wrong, Alonso's last attempt when positions himself in p3 by that time he had plenty of time to do another lap. I still don't understand why they cruise back to the pits

[prty]

It was Alonsos mistake. He screwed up his first timed lap in q3. He would have had time to start another lap if he wouldn't had let Kimi past.

 

Agree that he made a mistake and with hindsight a big one. But by the time it didn't look like it would stop rainning, so the latter time to make the lap, the worse.

He did a mistake in the first flying, and in the second one he ended 5th. But nobody could foresee that suddenly it would stop rainning and the ones who managed one extra lap would have better conditions, because it looked like the opposite of that. So it was a driving mistake exaggerated by luck.

 

Edit: Also it is true that if Ferrari had put the cars on track earlier, maybe he wouldn't have pushed as hard, which could have contributed to the mistake.

Edited by prty, 24 August 2013 - 13:21.

[prty]

Alonso would not have enough time for another lap even if he didn't make a mistake. IIRC he was right in front of Kimi before his mistake and Kimi did not have enough time for another lap, so most probably Alonso wouldn't have enough time as well.

 

He was in front of Kimi after making the mistake. Before, he was right behind Vettel.

[Trust]

Alonso was guilty today, he was in front of Kimi who missed out on last lap by 2 seconds.

[josepatches]

I think Alonso made a mistake in his first attemp costing him valuable seconds to have one final try.

 

This

Strategy was the same but he made a costly mistake

[discover23]

So did Alonso cross the line after attempt 2 with time to do a final lap or not? Simple answer pls.. Yes/no? I believe he did and chose not to.

[Borko]

I am just sorry that finally when the car was really good, what happens? Rain starts falling

[Tosh]

So did Alonso cross the line after attempt 2 with time to do a final lap or not? Simple answer pls.. Yes/no? I believe he did and chose not to.

Nope, He missed it. 

[discover23]

Nope, He missed it.

if it is true then his slow time in attempt 1 was the contributing factor.. But why did Kimi also did just two attempts ? I will re-watch again they are showing it at noon here .

[Richard T]

Team or Alonso?

Yeah I forgot about alonsos mistake. That cost him the time for a second attempt

[Darkmninya]

Look at the bright side on dry track we werre faster than red bull , that alone statisfy me

[ConsiderAndGo]

He missed it by a mile! Like 5/6 seconds! His mistake did not carry that amount of time.

[natureboy]

So much easier to watch Ferrari's mistakes when you have no hope of winning the championship. 

 

Best opportunity for a race win and of course Ferrari and Alonso manage to mess it up - Spaghetti Ferrari back in full force.

[discover23]

And what the hell happened to Massa?'

[Spa]

What a pity Alonso didn't have that last try (and Massa wrongly pitted), but the F138 seems to have genuine pace in all conditions here, if tomorrow the race is like today (changing conditions), everything is still possible...

Cheers! ;-)

Edited by Spa, 24 August 2013 - 13:38.

[GVera]

He missed it by a mile! Like 5/6 seconds! His mistake did not carry that amount of time.

 

His first timed lap was 10+ seconds off pole that's a lot of time...

 

But it was bad luck, if it continued raining for two minutes more, we would be writing about the RB bad timing instead...

[Lulabaloo]

He missed it by a mile! Like 5/6 seconds! His mistake did not carry that amount of time.

 

The lap he made a mistake was 10+ seconds slower. So yes, without the mistake he would have time to do a third lap.

[Borko]

The lap he made a mistake was 10+ seconds slower. So yes, without the mistake he would have time to do a third lap.

His sector was 40.1, other people were doing mid 33s in that sector