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Spa-Francorchamps 2013: THE RACE


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#1 jrg19

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 20:27

Let the games begin.

 

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Hopefully we get a titanic battle between the two Mercedes drivers and the two RedBull drivers.

 

Will weather play the biggest part once again, who will get the luck? 



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#2 Antonov

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 20:30

Kimi for the win.



#3 SR388

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 20:31

Cars gon run real fast. I hope Lewis gets it done. 



#4 kimister

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 20:35

I wait lots of drama  :p



#5 g1n

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 20:50

Big crash at the start ala 1998 hopefully, I want to see that epic event again and it would be nice for someone down the field to get a one-two for the show. :love:



#6 DrF

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 20:51

Weather prediction?

#7 Antonov

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 20:55

I think there is no sense in predicting the weather. The only thing I can say is that rain is a probability, it's in the country. When and if it falls is very unclear, and might remain unclear until well into the race even. 

 

I have a feeling it will be dry though. 



#8 SpaMaster

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 20:58

Let the games begin.

 

 

 

Hopefully we get a titanic battle between the two Mercedes drivers and the two RedBull drivers.

 

Will weather play the biggest part once again, who will get the luck? 

You think this race is between Red Bull and Mercedes?



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:02

Yup, JB and Paul will nicely hold everyone behind them up, fight between the top four.

 

If its wet.... anything could happen.



#10 SpartanChas

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:04

I'd put the safe money on Vettel but really I want Lewis to win. Not sure if Kimi or Fernando can get the job done from those grid positions.



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:07

Yup, JB and Paul will nicely hold everyone behind them up, fight between the top four.

 

If its wet.... anything could happen.

 

This isn't Hungary, the only thing a slow driver at the front holds is his breath as cars go past left and right  :p



#12 SpaMaster

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:12

Yup, JB and Paul will nicely hold everyone behind them up, fight between the top four.

 

If its wet.... anything could happen.

 

I have seen nothing this weekend that suggests Mercedes performance is close to that of Red Bull.

 



#13 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:15

Impossible to call with the weather. Could be fully wet, fully dry, wet/dry/wet/dry/wet, etc etc etc. There's definitely a risk of showers, but as always the devil is in the detail. Could hit, could miss, it's so difficult to tell what's going to happen. Likely going to be a case of radar watching, especially as theoretically we could get a situation like today where a shower (from what I can gather) bubbles up out of nowhere. I must admit though, part of me would love a random shower like we got for Q3 that only last for 15-20mins but makes it tough to choose whether to stay out until it dries, or come in for inters/wets


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#14 Zoetrope

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:17

This isn't Hungary, the only thing a slow driver at the front holds is his breath as cars go past left and right  :p

Force India and McLaren are one of the fastest cars down the Kemmel straight, so they might become a nuisance even with DRS. Ferrari were also quick in top speed, but they are even further back the grid.



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:22

I have seen nothing this weekend that suggests Mercedes performance is close to that of Red Bull.

 

 

Guess If Lewis or Nico can beat either RedBull it will be a mighty feat. 



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:27

I have seen nothing this weekend that suggests Mercedes performance is close to that of Red Bull.

 

 

 

Guess If Lewis or Nico can beat either RedBull it will be a mighty feat. 

 

Here we go, If Hamilton wins it is him if Vettel wins it is the car. :drunk:



#17 SR388

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:30

Here we go, If Hamilton wins it is him if Vettel wins it is the car. :drunk:

 

Funny how  neither of the posts you quoted mentioned Hamilton or Vettel alone.



#18 bub

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:31

Guess If Lewis or Nico can beat either RedBull it will be a mighty feat. 

 

Yup.



#19 SpaMaster

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:33

Guess If Lewis or Nico can beat either RedBull it will be a mighty feat. 

If miraculous performance is what you are counting on from Hamilton and Rosberg, that could come from Raikkonen or Alonso as well. For that, you somehow believe Button and di Resta would hold them up.



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#20 JHSingo

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:34

Big crash at the start ala 1998 hopefully, I want to see that epic event again and it would be nice for someone down the field to get a one-two for the show. :love:

 

Are you for real? Wishing for a pile up? :drunk:



#21 ebc

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:41

Funny how  neither of the posts you quoted mentioned Hamilton or Vettel alone.

You are right but usually when someone highlights the speed of RedBull it also serves the purpose of downplaying Vettel and highlighting the lack of speed of Merc helps to portray Hamilton at a disadvantage so when he wins it is proof of his superiority.



#22 jrg19

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:42

If miraculous performance is what you are counting on from Hamilton and Rosberg, that could come from Raikkonen or Alonso as well. For that, you somehow believe Button and di Resta would hold them up.

 

Alonso and Raikkonen could come through, do you think they will beat Lewis, Seb, Mark and Nico tomorrow if they lose say 5 to 10 seconds in the first stint battling through the field? 



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:49

Lotus is monstrous in middle sector. But that doesn't matter because race will be red flagged on lap 3.



#24 jrg19

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:52

Both Lotus drivers without fresh options?



#25 John Player

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:56

The question is

 

 

how many cars can grosjean take out this year?



#26 SpaMaster

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 21:58

Alonso and Raikkonen could come through, do you think they will beat Lewis, Seb, Mark and Nico tomorrow if they lose say 5 to 10 seconds in the first stint battling through the field? 

I don't know about Vettel and Webber. But Mercedes may be more within reach. 5-10 s after first stint is nothing if the car is faster.



#27 DrF

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 22:03

Why does this track even have a DRS zone?

#28 Absulute

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 22:04

Lights to flag for Hamilton plz.

 

DNF for Vettel plz.



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Posted 24 August 2013 - 22:05

Alonso and Raikkonen could come through, do you think they will beat Lewis, Seb, Mark and Nico tomorrow if they lose say 5 to 10 seconds in the first stint battling through the field? 

I'm sure we'll see at least 1 SC.



#30 Darkmninya

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 22:11

Based on q2 ,Lotus is the best on dry with raikönnen, ferrari closely behind

Redbull is 3rd fastest on dry but satan will make rain causing mercedes to win, believe me

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 22:14

I would like a Nico, Lewis 1 - 2 Bianchi in the points and a non-score for Vettel.

 

Most likely will be Red Bull and Mercedes 1, 2, 3, 4 in some sort of mixed up order weather permitting.

 

:cool:



#32 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 22:15

Latest model output suggests still a signal for PM showers but also lengthy dry intervals. In other words who knows?



#33 Kelateboy

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:03

You think this race is between Red Bull and Mercedes?

 

If it is dry, I believe it will strictly be RBR vs MGP. If it is changeable condition, then it is a lottery with anybody capable of the win - even those on the fifth row.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:17

It's going to tip it down. Those with higher downforce setups will run well before the red flag. Teams will change setups during the stoppage and you'd then be weary of the bulls.

#35 DrF

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:22

Lewis has this one in the bag. Vettel will harry him all the way and Kimi might be able to skip past both of them on ancient tyres but the result is as predictable as the weather here.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:25

It's going to tip it down. Those with higher downforce setups will run well before the red flag. Teams will change setups during the stoppage and you'd then be weary of the bulls.


Good news for Lotus. May we have a source?

#37 Spoch

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:32

I have seen nothing this weekend that suggests Mercedes performance is close to that of Red Bull.

Ermmmmm....Q3!!!...yes thats it

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 05:46

Here we go, If Hamilton wins it is him if Vettel wins it is the car. :drunk:

 

Did you see anything so far from the Mercedes, to suggest that they are favorites?

So far RedBull has been the team that dominated if it wasn't for a brilliant lap from Hamilton it would be a RedBull 1-2 with a massive gap to 3rd.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:03

Did you see anything so far from the Mercedes, to suggest that they are favorites?

So far RedBull has been the team that dominated if it wasn't for a brilliant lap from Hamilton it would be a RedBull 1-2 with a massive gap to 3rd.

 

Yes, Nico was a force in the quali, but lucked out in Q3 with bad timing. So the car has been there for Spa.



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#40 Rocket73

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:18

Hoping for another jb drying track thriller but realistically I think lewis will perform as well as he did in Hungary and take it.

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#41 Juggles

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:30

Lewis has this one in the bag. Vettel will harry him all the way and Kimi might be able to skip past both of them on ancient tyres but the result is as predictable as the weather here.

 

Haven't you just explained why he doesn't have this one in the bag?



#42 Boxerevo

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:35

Button just have to survive turn 1 and he can surprise us,again.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:44

Lewis has this one in the bag. Vettel will harry him all the way and Kimi might be able to skip past both of them on ancient tyres but the result is as predictable as the weather here.

It's Spa, possibly mixed weather and we do not even know what the strongest teams are in which conditions, so no one has this in the bag. Vettel and Hamilton are favourites with Alonso, Rosberg, Webber, Räikkönen also having a good chance to win.



#44 docronzo

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:55

Big crash at the start ala 1998 hopefully, I want to see that epic event again and it would be nice for someone down the field to get a one-two for the show. :love:


1998 wont repeat itself. Today there are no T-cars anymore. It would be a dull race after a big crash scene a the start. If there's just a slight chance of rains we will have a start behind the safety car.

#45 seahawk

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:03

Lewis is the best under difficult conditions. He will win.



#46 Lights

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:09

Really looking forward to this race. Ironically Jenson said he would appreciate dry conditions, perhaps because he has no fresh sets of inters left.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:19

I'm surprised people think this is btw Red Bull and Merc...Lotus and Ferrari in Q2 looked like they could legitimately fight for pole in the dry... whenever that is the case, expect them to be mighty in the race (if it is dry)

 

Both cars have good top speed so with DRS, they will get past Button and Di Resta fairly quickly...

 

Conditions are likely to be changeable though, which means some lottery could be involved. Can't wait



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:29

Have to think the race will be won by whoever can keep his tyres nicely in the middle of the window, and get all the tyre calls right, while the showers come and go.  It's wide open but whoever does it will be some driver.

 

Yes Lights I could imagine some drivers running out of Inters.

 

Or it might stay dry... :smoking:



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:32

Does anyone reckon Merc have went for a wet setup? The fact that they are so strong in S2 suggests to me that they are.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/7535477


Edited by GAZF1nut, 25 August 2013 - 07:33.


#50 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:43

The forecast is FAR more complicated than that 1 website says. It's not impossible for it to be a bone dry race throughout. Anything could happen.