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#51 Tufty

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:59

Well I suppose there's little harm in discussing this one in public since you started it so I'm going to tell everyone what your transgression was...

 

You were admitted to the Paddock Club.

 

The system is used to document any changes to the posting rights of a member and that's your transgression.  You bad man.

Hold on, if you get a warning point for getting access to the Paddock Club, where's my point?! I'm going on hunger strike til I get it now... Ooh curry :D

 

Seriously though, I don't understand why I don't have one if others do for the same thing?



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#52 Buttoneer

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:19

It's because you're special.



#53 Vitesse2

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:22

It's because you're special.

We've told him that before! :lol:



#54 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:45

I presume Vitesse2 is special due to joining a long time ago, or not too long ago or something like that. Still not sure that I get the answer, if everyone with access to the Paddock had a warning, would we not have had a lot more complaints over warnings. And should my total not be higher by one than what it is?

 

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#55 Slick

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:14

Not all admissions to the paddock club were added to the notes for users. I am now adding them as a matter of course for new admissions using the warn function but without allocating any points.

#56 Buttoneer

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:28

If you were granted access to the paddock club inder the old-old software, there's probably no note.

If you were granted access under the previous version there may or may not be, depending upon whether the gatekeeper chose to note the fact, or not.

We're an inconsistent bunch.



#57 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:35

And then when we are bored we randomly add and remove points just to mess with you.    ;)



#58 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:46

There we have it, thanks for the clear explanation. I like when art imitates life.

 

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#59 Tufty

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 23:16

I likes being speshil  :cat:

 

Glad we sorted that one though, thanks :)



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#60 Afterburner

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 20:52

So if you're a moderator, can you give yourself some obscure number of points like -3.141592653589793? :p



#61 Buttoneer

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 11:15

Wouldn't agree that Pi is obscure.

 

Of course if you can think of an obscure number, it ceases to be obscure, so it's a pretty self defeating exercise.



#62 krod

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 08:57

What I mean is that the points system should be kept behind closed doors in that case.

Fine for the moderators to see it, but there should be a way so we can switch off being able to see our own.


Why not? Do the crime, do the time!

If you're a polite, community-minded poster, you won't get points /warnings.

#63 BRG

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 12:08

If you're a polite, community-minded poster, you won't get points /warnings.

...he said, speaking from the height of his full 32 posts.

 

Come back when you're in 5 figures and see how you've done!



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 17:16

...he said, speaking from the height of his full 32 posts.

 

Come back when you're in 5 figures and see how you've done!

:up:

Quite. Loss of cool is nothing to be proud of, but if you make 10,000 posts here without the occasional growl you must be dead from the neck up.



#65 Andy35

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:24

And then when we are bored we randomly add and remove points just to mess with you.    ;)

 

That must be how I got mine then because I am married to Mary Poppins and so practically perfect.  

 

Who's got the most points by the way?   

 

Andy



#66 Lola5000

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:14

I'm trying to understand how I can have a warning 0 mark for making a comment re a Cooper Vincent my father raced in the period ex Sir Jack,when i mention the story of how my mother was sitting in it and my father was towing with his then new Studebaker Golden Hawk (now thats a rare car) when she over stepped the mark and the Coopers nose went under the Studebakers bumper.In the Historical research section.

I now stay out of that section.....so many stories so many tales of the 50s racing in Melbourne of certain ex GP cars.

 

Shakes head.



#67 grackle

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:35

The warning counts are only visible to the poster involved and the moderators. 0 means not any (rather than outrageous). Was it your first post since the new software arrived here? We all seem to like your posts. :)

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#68 Lola5000

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:38

It might have been,as i was off radio for 6 weeks while I was in France.



#69 grackle

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 10:49

Well back in you go to tell us more. It is in theory one of the gentler subforums ;)



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Posted 19 October 2013 - 11:55

I'm trying to understand how I can have a warning 0 mark for making a comment re a Cooper Vincent my father raced in the period ex Sir Jack,when i mention the story of how my mother was sitting in it and my father was towing with his then new Studebaker Golden Hawk (now thats a rare car) when she over stepped the mark and the Coopers nose went under the Studebakers bumper.In the Historical research section.
I now stay out of that section.....so many stories so many tales of the 50s racing in Melbourne of certain ex GP cars.
 
Shakes head.


Grackle's right, Lola5000 - 0 Warning Points is just the new default setting under the new software and means you've never been warned. If you had been, there would be a positive number under your avatar and clicking on that number would open up a page listing the warnings in more detail.

If you'd ever applied for and been given access to the Paddock Cub, this would also show up on that page, but without any number attached. Paddock Cub access is obviously not part of the disciplinary process but that's where all poster notes are kept, so it goes in there. Grackle is also right that warnings are confidential and only the moderation team can see any notes.

#71 Zmeej

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 20:56

Many thanks to Bre'r Fox for the question/thread, and G4E, Mandzipop & Buttoneer for the explanations and good humour. :up:

Buttoneer :kiss:

Nectar points.


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#72 Lola5000

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 21:09

OH ok ,so we all have the figure warning points,but only yourself and or mods can see it on you detail area. :up:



#73 NotSoSilentBob

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:58

Just received my 4th Warning Point.... crikey, must be close to being 'in the points' in F1 terms?  ;)



#74 Zmeej

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 00:01

Oh, and after months of reflection...

krod :wave:

If you're a polite, community-minded poster, you won't get points /warnings.


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#75 D-Type

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 17:23

I still don't see the point of such a flawed system. :confused:



#76 Buttoneer

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 09:38

From my point of view, I can see a permanent record of relevant communication with each member of the forum.  That means it's a couple of clicks for me to see that the user who is calling everyone who doesn't agree with him a 'retard' has form, so firmer action needs to be taken.  I can see this information even if it was another moderator in another forum who made the note.  From your point of view, you can see what action was taken, and when, for yourself only. 

 

So there is a 'point' to the system and arguably it's a good thing for people to be aware of their own score.  I hope you won't mind me telling everyone that you have '0' warning points but perhaps the lack ofinformation means you are not seeing how it might be of use to anyone?

 

Unquestionably the fact that you can see your own points is a compromise introduced by the new software and it has led to some confusion but otherwise I wonder which 'flaw' you're referring to.



#77 D-Type

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 19:10

Fair enough, but why give people a 'penalty point' for joining the Paddock Club?



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 20:52

You don't get a penalty point, just a notification that you have been admitted to the PC.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 21:29

You don't get a penalty point, just a notification that you have been admitted to the PC.

Can you please explain what posts 37 and 51 amongst others are about then?



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#80 Buttoneer

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Posted 26 November 2013 - 22:04

D-Type,

 

You're right and I gave an explanation a little further up that we have been inconsistent in the past but it didn't matter so much because nobody got to see their warnings scores.  Behind the scenes I would see that someone had a warning logged, I'd look, and it would be for admission to paddock club.  Others didn't and were let in without a note.  The note was not part of the mechanism for letting people in but is a notification for other mods.

 

Now that people can see, we are taking a more consistent approach but obviously the thousands of people who have been let in up until the change in software could have had one or the other.  The same is true of the note we send to users if the contravene a rule.  Those notes are there for the member to see for as long as they are here so it needs to be clear.

 

It may have looked like I was joking in #56 but I wasn't.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 23:09

I fully understand what you have said , both here and above, I was merely pointing out to ForeverF1 why I had asked the question.  It's all part and parcel of the way the software change has been handled.  To a layman 'customer' it appears that it wasn't fully thought through. 

I fully appreciate the efforts that you have made to mitigate the unfortunate results.



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Posted 26 November 2013 - 23:32

I suppose there must be some consternation following a radical change such as this. I would like to add, though, we have been on the same learning curve as everyone else. All we can do is offer help with things we have sussed out. What is self explanatory or intuitive for some  may not be the same for others.

While the tech guys are beating this software iteration into submission, there will be a few hiccups along the way.



#83 Zmeej

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Posted 29 November 2013 - 03:27

ForeverF1 :wave:

the tech guys are beating this software iteration into submission


Locutions such as this truly gladden the heart. :up: :) :up:

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 17:08

I suppose there must be some consternation following a radical change such as this. I would like to add, though, we have been on the same learning curve as everyone else. All we can do is offer help with things we have sussed out. What is self explanatory or intuitive for some  may not be the same for others.

While the tech guys are beating this software iteration into submission, there will be a few hiccups along the way.

Interesting.  Apparently the moderators (or forum hosts) were not consulted before the change nor have they been given any guidance.  So: who was consulted, who did decide what changes were wanted, who briefed the tech guys?  Now they have made the changes, who knows how things should work?



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 19:46

Interesting.  Apparently the moderators (or forum hosts) were not consulted before the change nor have they been given any guidance.  So: who was consulted, who did decide what changes were wanted, who briefed the tech guys?  Now they have made the changes, who knows how things should work?

Sounds exactly like the way that IT changes were implemented in the government department where I used to shirk.  



#86 pacificquay

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 20:44

Maybe like the new F1 licence points, they should expire after a year....



#87 Dunc

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 15:42

How long do points last for?  I have one from 16th December 2009 (I was wronged, wronged!).  Points on my driving licence from that date would expire from Monday, does the site follow a similar system?



#88 Buttoneer

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 21:04

No, you're forever branded but we're unlikely to care about a 2009 thing anyway..



#89 Zmeej

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 21:40

you're forever branded


:eek:

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#90 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 22:47

No, you're forever branded but we're unlikely to care about a 2009 thing anyway..

:rotfl:



#91 JAW

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:42

All unpleasantly nebulous really..

 

A bit too 'Humpty Dumpty' from Lewis Carroll at best,

& a capricious despot's charter/ Star Chamber/Big Brother, at worst..

 

Time will tell, but if it turns out to be another supercilious black-ball club, then..

Ugh..

 

I.M.O...



#92 Slartibartfast

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 16:04

Jaw-dropping...



#93 Zmeej

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 03:01

JAW :wave:

Today, "unpleasantly nebulous" seems to me an oxymoron. But maybe my taste for steel & concrete will return... :stoned:

'Humpty Dumpty' from Lewis Carroll at best,


IMHO, that's a very high standard. :up: :)
In fact, whaddaya got that's better?

a capricious despot's charter/ Star Chamber/Big Brother, at worst..


Your imagination fails you. It can get much worse. :cool:

#94 JAW

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 04:00

Getting a bit carried away, old chap - perhaps?

 

Beria's brute-squad  bully-boys aint literally in the process of booking an alfresco berth,

prior to a midnight door-knock & pick-up, for a lovely Lubiyanka rub-down, en-route

- to a 25 year Siberian salt-mine sojourn for you,  -  as far as you know..



#95 Zmeej

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Posted 17 January 2014 - 18:01

Hmmm.

It's kinda ironic that an ostensible libertarian such as yourself would find it necessary to reproove someone they haven't really met yet for "getting carried away."

Will admit one thing - was very wrong about saying your imagination failed you regarding what is the worst. Get the sense that this is a forte.

Edited by Zmeej, 17 January 2014 - 18:30.


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 23:38

Could mayhaps be a tad thin-skinned there Z - if you really feel that such a mildly suggested hype-check..

 

..runs as far as 'reproove', ( & ' kinda ironic', too),

 

..but kudos for the reflective mea-culpa, anyhow..



#97 Longtimefan

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 22:45

I have to admit after reading the last couple of pages I'm pretty gutted that points don't expire.

 

on another forum I frequent, one point there is removed for ever 60 or 90? days.  So you can keep your nose clean and earn a good record once again after you mess up.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining about this forum (heck no, I'm too scared of more points, I'm close to having enough for a set of glasses) but it would have been nice to be able to 'work off' your criminal record ;)



#98 JAW

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 04:00

What kind of glasses were you looking to redeem with those points anyhow Ltf?

 

Rose-tinted?

 

Once branded, forever tainted..  ... so get bloody stuck in & complain away.. ..why not..

 

 ( & you may be able to 'buy' a pardon..who knows?) L.O.L...



#99 Longtimefan

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 17:23

What kind of glasses were you looking to redeem with those points anyhow Ltf?
 
Rose-tinted?
 
Once branded, forever tainted..  ... so get bloody stuck in & complain away.. ..why not..
 
 ( & you may be able to 'buy' a pardon..who knows?) L.O.L...


I meant the kind you drink out of, like the old days 'buy a gallon of petrol and get a token for a set of glasses' ;)

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 01:09

Ah, I see now, mind you, getting a glassing down pub can be quite nasty sometimes too..

 

Best wait for the 'steak knives'  offer instead  - praps?