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[DutchQuicksilver]

I noticed the Rank the seasons topic and thought of a similar one. Since the year 2000, the start of the new millennium, we've had loads of drivers coming through. Some better than others. This topic is to rate your top ten drivers of the last millennium, meaning from the season 2000 until the season 2013. Here's mine by the way.

 

10. David Coulthard

Though past his prime after 2001 he still won more than 10 races in his career which not a lot of drivers can say. 2000 was okay, 2001 his best season I think. He stayed at McLaren too long, because his first season at Red Bull was like a new DC was driving. After 2006 it was over though.

 

9. Felipe Massa

Though his last few seasons were very poor, he deserves a spot in the top 10, mainly because he's had some outstanding seasons. 2005 was his breakthrough year at Sauber which earned him a Ferrari seat. 2006 was good, 2007 too and he was heading for greatness in 2008 and early 2009. I still wonder how he would have fared against Alonso if he iddn't have that nasty crash in Hungary.

 

8. Mika Hakkinen

I have him in the bottom end of my top ten, because his world titles were from the nineties and therefore don't count. Though only active for two seasons his season 2000 was still very impressive to earn him a place in the top ten. 2001 was covered in bad luck, but still managed a few wins.

 

7. Mark Webber

Quite similar story to that of Jenson Button, though Webber's had a bit more bad luck. Chose Williams abough Renault back in 2005 for example. His move to Red Bull proved the right one after the new regulations. Has won his share of races over the years and fought for the title, so deserved his spot in this top ten.

 

6. Jenson Button

Lucky one time world champion yes, but he's been at the front for a few years now which not many can say. Only really had three very poor seasons in 2001, 2007 and 2008, mainly because of the car. Very consistent all those years and earned a move to McLaren in 2010.

 

5. Lewis Hamilton

Still not hit his peak I think, but now at Mercedes he's getting there. Very impressive entry to the sport in 2007, followed by a world title in year two. Has had his low's in 2009 and 2011, but seems back to top level now at Mercedes.

 

4. Kimi Raikkonen

I have Raikkonen a place higher than Hamilton, mainly because he's fought at the front with different teams. 2003 and 2005 stand out for me, didn't win the title, but that was Kimi in high form. 2007 won him the title, but he wasn't himself at Ferrari. Came back very impressive in 2012 as well. A shame he's already 33 years old now.

 

3. Fernando Alonso

Not top two anymore, because I think Vettel has passed him. Two world titles against formidable opponents Raikkonen and Schumacher, and also in 2007 against Hamilton he was very good. Solely keeping Ferrari up there in recent years. Should have had more world titles though. 2007 and 2010 could have been practically his.

 

2. Sebastian Vettel

Only active since late 2007, but very impressive so far. True, he's had the best car for the last four years, but annihilated Webber, who was considerd a great driver. Heading for a fourth consecutive title, which only Schumacher can say.

 

1. Michael Schumacher

Still the best since the new millennium. Won titles from 2000 to 2004, that says quite enough. Also came close to another one in 2006. His comeback wasn't that succesful unfortunately.

 

Other notible drivers include Robert Kubica, Ralf Schumacher and Juan Pablo Montoya, who just fall out of my top ten.

[Thomas99]

Felipe Massa, oh come on

[MikeV1987]

Kubica would be in the top 10 for me.

[sopa]

Just for reference point.

 

F1 race wins since 2000.

1. Schumacher M  56
2. Alonso        32
3. Vettel        31
4. Hamilton      22
5. Raikkonen     20
6. Button        15
7. Barrichello   11
=. Massa         11
9. Webber         9
10. Coulthard     7
==. Montoya       7
12. Hakkinen      6
==. Schumacher R  6

Then also Fisichella, Rosberg (both 3), Trulli, Kubica, Kovalainen, Maldonado (all 1).

[slmk]

Hamilton behind Raikkonen is a bit ridiculous; 2009 wasn't a low for Hamilton - he drove extremely well and outscored everyone in the second half of the season once the McLaren was able to challenge for podiums and poles. His only "weak" season was 2011, and even then he was the only one to challenge RBR for poles on a few occasions and still had 3 race wins. 

[Vesuvius]

Hamilton behind Raikkonen is a bit ridiculous; 2009 wasn't a low for Hamilton - he drove extremely well and outscored everyone in the second half of the season once the McLaren was able to challenge for podiums and poles. His only "weak" season was 2011, and even then he was the only one to challenge RBR for poles on a few occasions and still had 3 race wins. 

Hamilton has had top team all of his F1-career but only been in top 3 on final standings twice so far (2007,2008) Kimi has more seasons under his belt in various teams, Kimi has been in top 3 on final standings 5 times..so in that aspect Kimi should be ahead. but then again Hamilton has more wins and poles so because of those he should be ahead. I think it´s only matter of an opinion who to put higher on the list.

[Winter98]

I would rate Rubens in the top ten.

[KWSN - DSM]

Just to be difficult. New Millennium started January 1st 2001. No driver already active when new Millennium started should be considered in a poll / rank of best drivers since start of new Millennium I think.

[Deerfield]

Could I post my own rank? 

 

1. Schumacher
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Raikkonen
5. Hakkinen (but in a 90s rank he would be top 3)
6. Vettel
7. Kubica
8. Montoya
9. Button
10. Trulli

[DutchQuicksilver]

Forgot about Barrichello yes. Could be top ten instead of Coulthard I guess.

[KWSN - DSM]

I think the premise is flawed here, even if I disregard the fact that the new millennium started in 2001, then there have been only 19 drivers winning Grand Epreuves since January 1st 2000. There are two solid dominance era's there. Schumacher first 5, and Vettel past 3 and this one. Wins should not be only measuring parameter, but 8 WDC's between them soon to be 9 must surely mean something.

For me the more interesting subject would be of drivers entering F1 from January 1st until now, who is the best 10. There are 87 drivers to chose from, who have in one way or another been credited as a F1 driver, some have done Friday running, some as far as I can see have only done tests, but some of those who have done test are not showing. So I am working of a flawed database, however Kevin Magnussen is likely not in many posters top 10 anyway.

So I think the list should be compiled from the below (apologize I am still trying to figure out how to make a 'coded' list)

• ALGUERSUARI Jaime Spain 2009
• AMMERMULLER Michael Germany 2006
• ALBERS Christijan Netherlands 2005
• ALONSO Fernando Spain 2001
• BOTTAS Valtteri Finland 2012
• BIANCHI Jules France 2012
• BUEMI Sébastien Switzerland 2009
• BOURDAIS Sébastien France 2008
• BRISCOE Ryan Australia 2004
• BRUNI Gimmi Italy 2003
• BOBBI Matteo Italy 2003
• BAUMGARTNER Zsolt Hungary 2003
• BERNOLDI Enrique Brazil 2001
• BUTTON Jenson United Kingdom 2000
• BURTI Luciano Brazil 2000
• CLOS Dani Spain 2012
• CHILTON Max United Kingdom 2012
• CHAROUZ Jan Czech Republic 2011
• CHANDHOK Karun India 2010
• Di RESTA Paul United Kingdom 2010
• Di GRASSI Lucas Brazil 2010
• D'AMBROSIO Jérôme Belgium 2010
• DOORNBOS Robert Netherlands 2004
• Da MATTA Cristiano Brazil 2003
• DAVIDSON Anthony United Kingdom 2002
• ENGE Tomas Czech Republic 2001
• FAUZY Fairuz Malaysia 2010
• FRIESACHER Patrick Austria 2005
• FIRMAN Ralph Irlande 2003
• GONZALEZ Rodolfo Venezuela 2013
• GUTIERREZ Esteban Mexico 2012
• GROSJEAN Romain France 2009
• GLOCK Timo Germany 2004
• HULKENBERG Nico Germany 2010
• HAMILTON Lewis United Kingdom 2007
• HEIDFELD Nick Germany 2000
• IDE Yuji Japan 2006
• JANI Neel Switzerland 2006
• KOBAYASHI Kamui Japan 2009
• KOVALAINEN Heikki Finland 2007
• KUBICA Robert Poland 2006
• KARTHIKEYAN Narain India 2005
• KLIEN Christian Austria 2004
• KIESA Nicolas Denmark 2003
• LIUZZI Vitantonio Italy 2005
• LEINDERS Bas Belgium 2004
• MA Qing Hua China 2012
• MALDONADO Pastor Venezuela 2011
• MONDINI Giorgio Switzerland 2006
• MONTEIRO Tiago Portugal 2005
• MOTOYAMA Satoshi Japan 2003
• MONTAGNY Franck France 2003
• McNISH Allan United Kingdom 2002
• MASSA Felipe Brazil 2002
• MONTOYA Juan-Pablo Colombia 2001
• MAZZACANE Gaston Argentina 2000
• NAKAJIMA Kazuki Japan 2007
• NISSANY Chanoch Israel 2005
• PIC Charles France 2012
• PEREZ Sergio Mexico 2011
• PETROV Vitaly Russian 2010
• PIQUET Nelsinho Brazil 2008
• PREMAT Alexandre France 2006
• PANTANO Giorgio Italy 2004
• PIZZONIA Antonio Brazil 2003
• ROSSI Alexander USA 2012
• RICCIARDO Daniel Australia 2011
• RAZIA Luiz Brazil 2011
• ROSBERG Nico Germany 2006
• RAIKKONEN Kimi Finland 2001
• SENNA Bruno Brazil 2010
• SUTIL Adrian Germany 2006
• SPEED Scott USA 2005
• SATO Takuma Japan 2002
• TOCCACELO Enrico Italy 2005
• Van Der GARDE Giedo Netherlands 2012
• VERGNE Jean-Éric France 2011
• VALSECCHI Davide Italy 2011
• VISO Ernesto Venezuela 2006
• VETTEL Sebastian Germany 2006
• WICKENS Robert Canada 2011
• WINKELHOCK Markus Germany 2006
• WIRDHEIM Björn Sweden 2003
• WILSON Justin United Kingdom 2003
• WEBBER Mark Australia 2002
• YAMAMOTO Sakon Japan 2005
• YOONG Alex Malaysia 2001

[EvanRainer]

No way is Schumacher no1. Just like Hakkinen, his best stuff were in the 90s. 

[Winter98]

No way is Schumacher no1. Just like Hakkinen, his best stuff were in the 90s. 

 

I agree many of MS's best drives were in the '90s, but he still rocked the 2000s.  He's just that good. 

 

Four (or five depending on when we start) WDCs is no mean feat.  Only SV comes close.

Edited by Winter98, 31 August 2013 - 23:09.

[Borko]

Schumacher, Alonso

Vettel, Hamilton

Raikkonen

 

Hakkinen

Button

 

 

Montoya

Coulthard

[rasul]

Putting personal likes and dislikes aside, it's probably:

 

1)Schumacher

2)Vettel

3)Alonso

4)Raikkonen

5)Hamilton

6)Kubica

7)Button

8)Massa (pre-incident)

9) Webber

10) Barrichello 

[slmk]

Kubica higher than Button? Come on now...

[Beamer]

<p>Could I post my own rank?

• Schumacher
• Hamilton
• Alonso
• Raikkonen
• Hakkinen (but in a 90s rank he would be top 3)
• Vettel
• Kubica
• Montoya
• Button
• Trulli

Hahaha won't make a list myself, too complex, but ham 2nd and vettel 6th is just ridiculous!!!!!

Edited by Beamer, 01 September 2013 - 07:21.

[Lord_Shaitan]

1. Schumacher

2. Alonso

3. Vettel

4. Hamilton

5. Raikkonen

6. Kubica

7. Button

8. Barichello

9. Hakkinen

10. Montoya

[joshb]

M. Schumacher

Alonso

Vettel

Hamilton

Raikkonen

Button

Montoya

Kubica

Webber

Barrichello

[Deerfield]

Hahaha won't make a list myself, too complex, but ham 2nd and vettel 6th is just ridiculous!!!!!

I valued more the fact Hamilton showed fully his talent from day one and before. In retrospective what he did in kart and f3 was exceptional, given the pressure he had from being the predestinate. Howewer, I agree Vettel should be higher. Let me try again:

• Schumacher
• Hamilton
• Alonso - Raikkonen -Vettel - Hakkinen
• Kubica - Button
• Montoya - Trulli

[Jimisgod]

I remain unconvinced Schumacher was ever better than Alonso/Hamilton.

Hence:

1st level - Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Raikkonen.

1.5 level - Button, Hakkinen*.

2nd level - Kubica*, Webber, Barrichello, Massa, Rosberg, Montoya.

2.5 level - Trulli, Fisichella, R. Schumacher, Coulthard...

[Beamer]

 

I valued more the fact Hamilton showed fully his talent from day one and before. In retrospective what he did in kart and f3 was exceptional, given the pressure he had from being the predestinate. Howewer, I agree Vettel should be higher. Let me try again:

• Schumacher
• Hamilton
• Alonso - Raikkonen -Vettel - Hakkinen
• Kubica - Button
• Montoya - Trulli

 

 

We're talking about driving in F1 , not the lower formulae. There's plenty of others with the same trackrecord in lower formulae. Yes he's a great driver, but up till now he hasn't done more than Vettel. I'm no vettel fanboy, nor a Hamilton basher, but there's no objective measurement placing Hamilton above Vettel. At least they should be equal......

 

Please take off the tainted glasses.....

[starp]

How can anyone say Alonso is better than Hamilton when Hamilton beat Alonso in only his rookie season, after which Alonso fled the team to avoid getting beaten again?

 

Anyway, these kinds of rating are sorta hopeless.  How can anyone be confident they know how Hakkinen or even Schumacher would compare to current drivers?  We haven't even seen any of these guys driving in same cars except in 2007.

 

Since the drivers are all in different cars, it's basically hopeless to try to compare them on speed.  On the things you can compare, Vettel indeed does seem to be a level above at least Hamilton and Alonso at the moment (i.e. consistency, absence of shunts, and poise under pressure).  But those things can clearly be compensated if another driver is a lot faster.  But there's no way in the world to say he definitely beats Raikkonen, and there is no way to compare him to Schumacher or Hakkinen at all.

[spacekid]

Its very very difficult. As a huge Schumi fan I would struggle to say that he was as good in 2003-2006 as he was in the 90's. I think 2001 was the last of his really prime years - I just can't judge 2002 as the car was so good.

 

I honestly would put 90's Schumi above Alonso Hamilton and Vettel at any time, but the game was a bit different then. I still think of Schumi as being from the generation of manual shifters. But I'm a bit of a fanboy for his driving in that era, so take it as you want. In the 2000's I couldn't really separate those guys.

Edited by spacekid, 01 September 2013 - 12:01.

[mzvztag]

Based on guts feeling and results, but taking into account only 2001-2013 performances:

 

1. Alonso

2. Schumacher (would be #1 if the whole career could have been taken into account, though)

3, Vettel

4. Hamilton

5. Räikkönen

6. Button

7. Montoya

8. Kubica

9. R. Schumacher

10. Barrichello

 

I feel also that the position 1-5 and 6-10 are relatively close to each other within a group but that there is a gap between the first and second group. Only the ones in the first group are the true top drivers.

Also, Häkkinen had only one season in the new millenium so I left him out.

 

Honourable mentions:

 

- Trulli

- Massa

- Rosberg

- Webber

- Coulthard

Edited by mzvztag, 01 September 2013 - 15:06.

[POLLATRON]

I am looking forward to Vettel has, someday, a midfield car. If he delivers some races like Alonso's has performed all these years, you can say that he is bettter than Alonso. In the mantime is really funny saying that Vettel is better than him or Hamilton.

 

On the other hand, when Hamilton and Alonso have batteld on track, 80% times Alonso won. When Hamlton finds him, he does not appear to break so late.... Hamilton is bloody good, but if he only had a better thinking... he could be at Alonso's level.

 

My list could be:

 

1. Schumacher

2. Alonso

3. Hamilton

4. Vettel

5. Raikkonen

6. Kubica

7. Rosberg

8. Coulthard

9. Button

10. Massa (previous the accident)

[Kingshark]

1. Schumacher
2. Alonso
3. Vettel
4. Hamilton
5. Raikkonen
6. Massa
7. Montoya
8. Barrichello
9. Webber
10. Coulthard

[POLLATRON]

How can anyone say Alonso is better than Hamilton when Hamilton beat Alonso in only his rookie season, after which Alonso fled the team to avoid getting beaten again?

 

Anyway, these kinds of rating are sorta hopeless.  How can anyone be confident they know how Hakkinen or even Schumacher would compare to current drivers?  We haven't even seen any of these guys driving in same cars except in 2007.

 

Since the drivers are all in different cars, it's basically hopeless to try to compare them on speed.  On the things you can compare, Vettel indeed does seem to be a level above at least Hamilton and Alonso at the moment (i.e. consistency, absence of shunts, and poise under pressure).  But those things can clearly be compensated if another driver is a lot faster.  But there's no way in the world to say he definitely beats Raikkonen, and there is no way to compare him to Schumacher or Hakkinen at all.

 

Nobody believes that in 2007 they both had the same cars and oprtunities. And in the end, the tied..... So none of them won....
 

[bourbon]

1.  Schumacher**

2.  Vettel, Raikkonen*, Hakkinen**

3.  Hamilton, Alonso*

4.  Button*, Massa*, Rosberg, Webber*, Montoya*

5.  Coulthard**, Barrichello**

 

Potential:  Jules B; Checo P; Charles P

 

** -  Gen I

*  -  Gen II

   -  Gen III

 

 

Cool read - nice thread.  Back to Hitchcock's "Rope" 

Edited by bourbon, 01 September 2013 - 18:32.

[apoka]

I am looking forward to Vettel has, someday, a midfield car. If he delivers some races like Alonso's has performed all these years, you can say that he is bettter than Alonso. In the mantime is really funny saying that Vettel is better than him or Hamilton.

 

On the other hand, when Hamilton and Alonso have batteld on track, 80% times Alonso won. When Hamlton finds him, he does not appear to break so late.... Hamilton is bloody good, but if he only had a better thinking... he could be at Alonso's level.

Where did you get the "80%" from? By the way, Vettel was in a midfield team (TR), Hamilton was not.

 

Anyway, I think the top 5 are pretty clear: Schumacher, Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Räikkönen. Schumacher without the 90s is not that clear in front, but still gets the top spot. After that, there are arguments in favor of Alonso and Vettel - not an easy decision. Hamilton a bit further behind at the moment - mainly because he had slightly less success and some issues in 2011. After that Kimi has competed at or near the top for many years and in different teams, which deserves some praise. I left out Häkkinen, since he only had 1 year in the period.

 

After those top 5 (maybe in different order) things become much more difficult. Button, Webber should be there, but after that it's interesting whether drivers like Kubica, Rosberg or Heidfeld should be rated below Rubens or Massa, who were much more successful. In a direct team mate battle, I'd favor the former drivers, but in an all time ranking the success (more race wins) of the latter drivers could prevail.

Edited by apoka, 01 September 2013 - 18:33.

[Maustinsj]

Just to be difficult. New Millennium started January 1st 2001. No driver already active when new Millennium started should be considered in a poll / rank of best drivers since start of new Millennium I think.

Didn't think anyone else would spot this!

[stillOrange]

1 Schumacher
2 Vettel
3 Alonso
4 Raikkonen
5 Hamilton
6 Kubica
7 Montoya
8 Button
9 Rosberg
10 Barrichello

[garoidb]

How can anyone say Alonso is better than Hamilton when Hamilton beat Alonso in only his rookie season, after which Alonso fled the team to avoid getting beaten again?

 

Lewis's reputation was certainly helped a lot by how he drove in 2007.  In the intervening years, Alonso's reputation has soared higher than ever as he hauled his Ferrari into WDC contention, and Lewis is always pegged together with him in the same group, largely because of 2007. Hypothetically, if Alonso had been trounced by Massa, how would 2007 look now?

 

So Alonso's performances have done a lot for Hamilton's reputation in the last few years. But 2007 is getting to be a long time ago, and was only one season. Hamilton's time teamed with Button did not enhance his standing in the same way. He looks to have the measure of Rosberg (probably) but that would be expected and was priced in anyway.

 

It looks like Lewis is in a good place now, and should be in a position to deliver stellar seasons, particularly if Mercedes provide a machinery advantage next year. To continue to be rated with Alonso and/or Vettel, he needs to capitalise on it. He is entering the peak years of his career, and Vettel is younger. 

[starp]

The best Gen I driver is Schumacher.  The best Gen II driver is Raikkonen.  The best Gen III driver is Vettel, but Lewis will be his Hakkinen.

[Gorma]

Hamilton has had top team all of his F1-career but only been in top 3 on final standings twice so far (2007,2008) Kimi has more seasons under his belt in various teams, Kimi has been in top 3 on final standings 5 times..so in that aspect Kimi should be ahead. but then again Hamilton has more wins and poles so because of those he should be ahead. I think it´s only matter of an opinion who to put higher on the list.

Then again any driver that drove seasons 2000-2004 have very little wins and poles except Schumacher.

[jjcale]

 

Could I post my own rank? 

 

1. Schumacher
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Raikkonen
5. Hakkinen (but in a 90s rank he would be top 3)
6. Vettel
7. Kubica
8. Montoya
9. Button
10. Trulli

 

+ 1

[undersquare]

Schumi was exceptional but he had a lot of factors in his favour and looked great against mediocre opposition, 7 titles don't mean he'd have beaten in the same team FA,SV or LH.  How can we know?  Anyway it's a sport so I DQ him.

 

Kimi lacks that wheel-to-wheel killer instinct, for me, to be the very top guy.  

 

Nando is better than everyone except Lewis, who we know can beat him, and Sebi.

 

It's Sebi vs Lewis for top spot.  I want to see Vettel in another team and a less solid car to make up my mind; in the meantime if I were a TP I'd pick Hamilton, who has everything.

 

I'm not too fussed about the others, they're nice guys mainly and quick.

[g1n]

Kubica higher than Button? Come on now...

 

Did Kubica achieve more than Button prior to his crash?

[spacekid]

Kimi lacks that wheel-to-wheel killer instinct, for me, to be the very top guy.  

 

 

This is your opinion, but I have to say I'm surprised. Kimi for me is always very clean wheel to wheel, but has also killed off some killer passes over the years - I remember some great ones when he was with McLaren. I would actually put Kimi as one of the best wheel to wheel racers I've ever seen, I cannot remember the last time I thought 'Kimi should have done better there', but each to their own I guess.

[spacekid]

Did Kubica achieve more than Button prior to his crash?

 

Its a tricky one. At relative stages in their careers when Kubica left the sport? I would say yes, he was looking better. In overall terms he never got the chance, who knows what could have been? I think Kubica could have been amazing in the Renault, as it was, but we'll never know.

[mnmracer]

I am looking forward to Vettel has, someday, a midfield car.

[undersquare]

This is your opinion, but I have to say I'm surprised. Kimi for me is always very clean wheel to wheel, but has also killed off some killer passes over the years - I remember some great ones when he was with McLaren. I would actually put Kimi as one of the best wheel to wheel racers I've ever seen, I cannot remember the last time I thought 'Kimi should have done better there', but each to their own I guess.

Yeah it's a hard one to demonstrate, I accept.  They've all pulled off some great moves, like one of Heidfeld's I remember.  And Kimi is very clean yes, one of his most endearing features.  It's the feeling of who the other drivers would least like to have cruise up behind them, other than Maldonado or Grosjean lol.  I feel they'd rate their chances of holding off (without contact) Kimi a tad higher than FA/SV/LH (in that order).

[scheivlak]

There's simply no way of making sense in this. Everybody makes a choice -conscious or subconscious- among the many possible mental images of a certain driver.

 

Which Michael Schumacher is the real one? The Kaiser of 2002 and 2004? The Fighter of Magny Cours 2003, Imola 2005, Shanghai 2006? The Lamb of Hungary 2003? The Rusty Knight of 2010?

 

Which Jenson? The Fearless Boy of 2000? The Sheep of 2001? The Master of Monaco and Turkey 2009? The Helpless Whinger of the British GP 2009? The Lion of Canada 2011? The Patient of some races in 2012?

 

Which Fernando? The Killer from 2005? The Warrior from his recent years? Or the Salaryman from some 2009 races like Suzuka?

 

Which Lewis? Which Kimi? Which Massa? Which Mika? Which DC? Which Montoya? Et cetera......

 

This is just a competition between the idols we all shape and construct.

Edited by scheivlak, 01 September 2013 - 22:38.

[George Costanza]

Michael Schumacher of 1995-2000 would beat any driver of today....

[Kingshark]

Its a tricky one. At relative stages in their careers when Kubica left the sport? I would say yes, he was looking better. In overall terms he never got the chance, who knows what could have been? I think Kubica could have been amazing in the Renault, as it was, but we'll never know.

 

In my opinion, Kubica was always overrated. For granted, he was a good driver, but not the Polish Senna many try to make him out to be.

 

To me, I see no reason to rate Kubica any higher than Rosberg. They both had sub-top cars in 2010, and Nico outscored Robert that year.

[study]

Michael Schumacher of 1995-2000 would beat any driver of today....

 

Only if like then, he had the car and governing body above everyone else.

 

MS in a mer, ferrari  or mclaren today still wouldn't beat Vettel in a Redbull

Edited by study, 01 September 2013 - 23:36.

[discover23]

Alonso
Schumacher
Lewis
Vettel
Montoya
Kimi
Kubica
Button
Massa
Webber

[lustigson]

Didn't think anyone else would spot this!

 

Are you kidding? It was my first thought when reading the topic title.  ;)

[TecnoRacing]

 

Don't think we can excactely call the Adrian Newey designed STR3 true 'midfield machinery'

[revlec]

Schumi was exceptional but he had a lot of factors in his favour and looked great against mediocre opposition, 7 titles don't mean he'd have beaten in the same team FA,SV or LH.  How can we know?  Anyway it's a sport so I DQ him.

 

Kimi lacks that wheel-to-wheel killer instinct, for me, to be the very top guy.  

 

Nando is better than everyone except Lewis, who we know can beat him, and Sebi.

 

It's Sebi vs Lewis for top spot.  I want to see Vettel in another team and a less solid car to make up my mind; in the meantime if I were a TP I'd pick Hamilton, who has everything.

 

I'm not too fussed about the others, they're nice guys mainly and quick.

 

It's amazing how journos can distort perception and reality as you can read in this thread that Hamilton's reputation is high because of 2007.

 

You may already know the stats below, but I bet many don't.

 

Since 2007(the year VET and HAM entered the sport), the stats of the top 3(HAM, VET, ALO) look like this:

 

Wins

1) Vettel        31

2) Hamilton   22

3) Alonso      17

 

Poles

1) Vettel        39

2) Hamilton   31

3) Alonso       7

 

Podiums

1) Vettel        54

1) Hamilton   54

3) Alonso      53

 

WDC

1) Vettel         3

2) Hamilton    1

3) Alonso       0

 

http://www.statsf1.com/it/pilotes.aspx

Edited by revlec, 02 September 2013 - 07:37.