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[John Player]

Vettel will lap the entire field.

[fabr68]

Monza eats Renault engines for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

[OvDrone]

Monza eats Renault engines for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

You weren't here for 2011 were you?

[fabr68]

You weren't here for 2011 were you?

I was here last year. After the offthrottle difusser blowing got banned.

[Antonov]

BBC weather predicts some light rain on Friday and "Thundery Showers" on both weekend days. I imagine the latter meaning there is a chance for rain which will in all probability not materialise.

 

In other BREAKING news, the Pirelli tyres are slowly but surely arriving on the Monza track.

[Seanspeed]

Thank god.  I was worried they'd have to drive on cheese wheels there for a moment.

[Kelateboy]

I was here last year. After the offthrottle difusser blowing got banned.

 

You will be very disappointed. The off-throttle blowing (cold blowing) is still there on RS27 engines and it has been there since mid 2010. 

[chumma]

Vettel to jog to victory. Mercs only team to challenge, Lewis to steal pole, Vettel to jump off the line and disappear.

[Miggeex]

Hmm I think Mercedes is going to be strong here and Ferrari has a good shot to do great result. It's a power track + you got to have a good suspension for the curbs. Not expecting any sort of domination from Red Bull.

 

Edit: Last year the cars without Ferrari or Mercedes engines lost bunch of time only in the exit of first chicane when there's that long flat out section until the second chicane.

Edit2: And before someone points out that Lotus with Renault engines were the fastest in the speed traps last year: It's about how fast you reach the top-speed 

 

But i may be wrong

Edited by Miggeex, 04 September 2013 - 08:57.

[Shiroo]

Hmm I think Mercedes is going to be strong here and Ferrari has a good shot to do great result. It's a power track + you got to have a good suspension for the curbs. Not expecting any sort of domination from Red Bull.

 

Edit: Last year the cars without Ferrari or Mercedes engines lost bunch of time only in the exit of first chicane when there's that long flat out section until the second chicane.

Edit2: And before someone points out that Lotus with Renault engines were the fastest in the speed traps last year: It's about how fast you reach the top-speed 

 

But i may be wrong

 

Edit2 is the point. You could probably reach 350 km/h as well. But what's the point if your acceleration is shitty as ****

[Borko]

So you're arguing that Canada is a good indicator of Spa performance?   

 

Cuz I would certainly not agree with that.  Again, similar downforce requirements but different sorts of tracks.  Just because they had similar results doesn't automatically make it a reliable indicator.  Especially considering the different tires they used and all.  Teams like Toro Rosso and McLaren certainly didn't have similar sorts of performances.

Spa is not a good indicator as well. Remember 2007 and 2010 for example. In 2007 McLaren absolutely destroyed Ferrari in Monza, and one week later, Ferrari destroyed McL in Spa. In 2010, Ferrari was nowhere near McL and RB in Spa, but they dominated the entire weekend in Monza.

[KirilVarbanov]

Ferrari appear to be trying (or at least the car is fitted with it now) a brand new front wing: 

Single main plane, vertical blades.
 

[midgrid]

Thank god. I was worried they'd have to drive on cheese wheels there for a moment.

Parmesan wheels would be much more durable than even the hardest compound of Pirellis.

Edited by midgrid, 04 September 2013 - 17:22.

[MikeV1987]

Not under estimating RBR here, they may have been slower here in the past. But I think they got it nailed down with that tiny wing.

[eronrules]

track changes for Monza 2013

 

 

 to prevent what happened to vergne, circuit officials have lengthened the lead edges of the kerbs at the apexes of Turns 1 and 4.

 

Other modifications include the extension of the kerbs at the first Lesmo in order to prevent damage to the grass verge, and the replacement of a guardrail next to the first corner. In a further attempt to stop cars running excessively wide on the exit of the Variente Ascari chicane, the artificial grass has been extended by 50 metres.

 also, the same 2 DRS zone used last year will be retained this year. 

 

 

 

The first detection point comes shortly before the entry to Lesmo 2, with the activation area situated along the Curva del Serraglio. A second detection line is located ahead of the Parabolica, after which drivers can use the device again on the main straight.  

[jimjimjeroo]

So what's this about a matshall strike this weekend?


http://italiaracing....?id=41285&cat=1

[Deerfield]

RBR could have less advantage here than at other circuits, if the ultra slim wing will prove not enough to compensate the bigger downforce they have by design

[Deerfield]

So what's this about a matshall strike this weekend?


http://italiaracing....?id=41285&cat=1

Monza marshall's didn't still receive their 2012 pay, so they're menacing a strike. Howewer in Italy we're masters of last-seconds adjustements, and for sure a solution will be found. 

[Exb]

Drivers taking part in Thursdays press conference:
Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button, Max Chilton, Felipe Massa, Daniel Ricciardo, Mark Webber.


Fridays press conference:
Ross Brawn (Mercedes), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Christian Horner (Red Bull), Monisha Kaltenborn (Sauber), Graeme Lowdon (Marussia), Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren).

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

A couple of things. 1, I'm not totally convinced about a DRS detection point before the Parabolica as it's not impossible that you could pass into the Parabolica and then get DRS down the straight. I'd have been more tempted (I know this may seem daft) to have the detection point partway round the Parabolica, my theory being if you're passed into the Parabolica, you then get the DRS to try and get past on the main straight rather than being able to pass after the detection line and still get the DRS benefit. Oh and weather still looks decidedly dodgy for Sunday, but impossible to predict what's going to happen, could still be a bone dry race.

[Konsta]

Drivers taking part in Thursdays press conference:
Fernando Alonso, Jenson Button, Max Chilton, Felipe Massa, Daniel Ricciardo, Mark Webber.


Fridays press conference:
Ross Brawn (Mercedes), Stefano Domenicali (Ferrari), Christian Horner (Red Bull), Monisha Kaltenborn (Sauber), Graeme Lowdon (Marussia), Martin Whitmarsh (McLaren).

What is the logic? Fred yes but why also Flippy?

[rasul]

What is the logic? Fred yes but why also Flippy?

Ferrari's home race.

[Kvothe]

A couple of things. 1, I'm not totally convinced about a DRS detection point before the Parabolica as it's not impossible that you could pass into the Parabolica and then get DRS down the straight. I'd have been more tempted (I know this may seem daft) to have the detection point partway round the Parabolica, my theory being if you're passed into the Parabolica, you then get the DRS to try and get past on the main straight rather than being able to pass after the detection line and still get the DRS benefit. Oh and weather still looks decidedly dodgy for Sunday, but impossible to predict what's going to happen, could still be a bone dry race.

No, just no!

[Clatter]

I was here last year. After the offthrottle difusser blowing got banned.

How many Renault engines went bang then?

[Konsta]

Ferrari's home race.

Why was there not two FI drivers at the Indian GP? Bad excuse for having Flippy there methinks if that was the reason used.

[Der Pate]

What is this, that there are always problems with the kerbs at Monza? I hear that every year for years now...

[Clatter]

Why was there not two FI drivers at the Indian GP? Bad excuse for having Flippy there methinks if that was the reason used.

Because FI is not a real Indian team and does not have anything like the same fan base as Ferrari do.

[Seanspeed]

Why was there not two FI drivers at the Indian GP?

Well, to put it simply, Ferrari are more special than Force India.

[JHSingo]

Monza marshall's didn't still receive their 2012 pay, so they're menacing a strike. Howewer in Italy we're masters of last-seconds adjustements, and for sure a solution will be found. 

 

Boo bloody hoo. If they want paying, they should be doing something else.

 

British marshals don't get paid. They do it simply for the passion of the sport.

Edited by JHSingo, 05 September 2013 - 11:56.

[peroa]

Boo bloody hoo. If they want paying, they should be doing something else.

 

British marshals don't get paid. They do it simply for the passion of the sport.

What sort of argument is this?

If they have a contract, then they should get payed as agreed.

 

If the British boys don't get any money in the first place, then that's their problem, if they can't negotiate even some sort of return for risking their lives...

Boo-hoo...

[Nahnever]

Boo bloody hoo. If they want paying, they should be doing something else.
 
British marshals don't get paid. They do it simply for the passion of the sport.

Such a ridiculous thing to write. So they should just accept the fact that they haven't been paid for a whole year, and had their contract breached? Unbelievable.

[JHSingo]

Such a ridiculous thing to write. So they should just accept the fact that they haven't been paid for a whole year, and had their contract breached? Unbelievable.

 

On the basis it was for one weekend of an entire year, yes.

[Clatter]

On the basis it was for one weekend of an entire year, yes.

I doubt you would be happy if your bosses missed paying a day\weekend of your salary. 

[Kelateboy]

Not under estimating RBR here, they may have been slower here in the past. But I think they got it nailed down with that tiny wing.

 

The will surely use that skinny wing. The question is whether they would have clean end plates without slots/vortex generators to make it a much lower-downforce rear wing, even lower than the one they ran in the race at Spa.

[JHSingo]

I doubt you would be happy if your bosses missed paying a day\weekend of your salary. 

 

If I was doing something like marshalling, I would be doing it because of my passion for the sport. I'd volunteer because I'd simply love to do it. Money wouldn't be a factor for me, at all.

 

But whatever. Everyone's different I guess.

[Tron]

not sure why people write Ferrari off already. They seemed competitive to me in Spa, even if the result was 2nd, a long way behind Vettel.

 

Not writing them off. But Italy is writing off Stefano.

[BRG]

On the basis it was for one weekend of an entire year, yes.

But if they were shafted last year, why should they fall for it again this year?

 

Screw me once, shame on you.  Screw me twice, shame on me.

[fisssssi]

Does anyone have a link to the Thursday press conference?

I found this video with Massa's questions but not the whole thing.

[Clatter]

If I was doing something like marshalling, I would be doing it because of my passion for the sport. I'd volunteer because I'd simply love to do it. Money wouldn't be a factor for me, at all.

 

But whatever. Everyone's different I guess.

I don't see what any of that has to do with it. They have different arrangements and are paid for their efforts. If they have a contract, then that contract should be honored.

[Tron]

Ferrari appear to be trying (or at least the car is fitted with it now) a brand new front wing: 

Single main plane, vertical blades.
 

 

And they seem to have brought back the nose cone from Canada, with the extra dip beneath it.

[HeadFirst]

If I was doing something like marshalling, I would be doing it because of my passion for the sport. I'd volunteer because I'd simply love to do it. Money wouldn't be a factor for me, at all.

 

But whatever. Everyone's different I guess.

I respect your point of view, but from a driver's perspective .... I'd rather have pros. In a sport that generates the $$$$ that F1 does, there's no excuse for not have the best and paying them well.

[HeadFirst]

Really looking forward to tomorrow, to see how things shake down in practise. I also can't wait to see what threads are generated by any booing done by the Italian fans.

[PoleMan]

Does anyone have a link to the Thursday press conference?

I found this video with Massa's questions but not the whole thing.

Here ya go!  Two parts.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cel3ryY4PQI

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=av30TIpQUc0

[Richard T]

Here ya go!  Two parts.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=cel3ryY4PQI

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=av30TIpQUc0

If these are taken down I also has a link for the Pressie.

 

PM me

[eronrules]

so if u hadn't had enough of Red bull adverts ... here' a new red bull italian edition advert for monza on STR

 

 

now go buy one immediately ... 

[V3TT3L]

Just saw this Sauber's new front wheel,

Is it legal to bring new parts like that 

Is the structural part made of Carbon Fiber or its just a calot ?

Is the rim also CF ?

[aray]

F1 site is saying rain on Sunday..how is the weather now..?

[eronrules]

 

Just saw this Sauber's new front wheel,

Is it legal to bring new parts like that 

Is the structural part made of Carbon Fiber or its just a calot ?

Is the rim also CF ?

i think it's just a dummy wheel to push the car to the garage. a CF wheel won't have the necessary tensile properties as a metal alloy wheel, specially such a dust bin lid looking one.

[maverick69]

Just saw this Sauber's new front wheel,

Is it legal to bring new parts like that 

Is the structural part made of Carbon Fiber or its just a calot ?

Is the rim also CF ?

Nah. It's just some kind of dust cover. It's held on by two cable ties for a start!

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

F1 site is saying rain on Sunday..how is the weather now..?

Dry and hot today with a low chance of pm rain. Increasing chance of showers/thunderstorms from Saturday morning and peaking Sunday afternoon. Definite chance of rain for the race as well as qualifying, but even at this stage it's impossible to be certain. It might rain, yet be dry for all F1 on track action.