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Red Bull dominance - harm for the sport?


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Does RB's four-year long dominance harm F1?

  1. Yes, it does. (205 votes [53.66%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.66%

  2. No, it doesn't. (177 votes [46.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.34%

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#501 sensible

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 00:25

Well, it depends on whether you mean bad for the sport, or bad for the show

Its clearly not bad for the sport because sport is about the attainment of excellence which is clearly what RB & SV have achieved

It may be bad for the "show", but then if you are a true fan of the sport, then why would you care?

In my opinion, F1 has got what it asked for with the recent podium booing (and if youre not a Vettel fan, dont be too smug, all ur driver needs to do to join in is win a few races) - with its focus on "the show" rather than on sport, we attract big brother fans who want to boo people who dedicate their lives to achieve perfection in their area. If you are one of those people you are no fan of sport - you are an arsehole who is taken in by tabloid shit rather than respect for top sportsmen. Anyome who wins an F1 race deserves nothing but respect unless they did it by cheating. I remember a day in the first days of Atlas F1 where almost everyone respected all the drivers, even the ones they didnt support and ALWAYS congratulated the eventual winner, whoever they were. If you are someone who thinks its ok to boo Vettel, just go to your local go kart track and watch a club level race and you'll see how hard it is to win anykind of motor race and maybe then you'll understand what kind of achievement these guys are making every race.

PS sorry for all the bold, but seriously, some people need to think about what they are supposedly supporting. Its not the x-factor


Edited by sensible, 27 September 2013 - 00:28.


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#502 zottzell

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 13:09

I voted yes, but partially because the current ban on testing makes it really hard for teams that have a flawed initial setup to regain the lost ground during the season.

But you cant disregard that Red Bull as a team is doing a hell of a job, so its kinda a mixed feeling.

 

And on another note.

 

"Red Bull insists Singapore Grand Prix dominance a one-off"

 

I guess that means they'll be putting back the bags of sand into Sebastians car, the performance difference when they let him drive as fast as he could was simply staggering compared to the rest of the field. 


Edited by zottzell, 27 September 2013 - 13:09.


#503 P123

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 13:34

I doubt it was a one-off.  Vettel won Spa by 16s and could have pushed harder if required.  At times during the Belgian GP he had a comfortable 1s over the rest in the mid-sector.  Red Bull have made a good step since the summer break.  Reliability (and perhaps weather) permitting it should be enough for Vettel to close out the season in the same manner as he ruled 2011.  He's on top form too so he won't be giving anything away.



#504 Winter98

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 13:38

I doubt it was a one-off.  Vettel won Spa by 16s and could have pushed harder if required.  At times during the Belgian GP he had a comfortable 1s over the rest in the mid-sector.  Red Bull have made a good step since the summer break.  Reliability (and perhaps weather) permitting it should be enough for Vettel to close out the season in the same manner as he ruled 2011.  He's on top form too so he won't be giving anything away.

Agreed.  

 

Last time I checked, the betting odds of SV winning the WDC were ~1/150.  I doubt Ferrari and Mercedes are putting any effort into this years cars unless its related to their 2014 car.



#505 MikeV1987

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 13:49

edited 


Edited by MikeV1987, 27 September 2013 - 13:52.


#506 apoka

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:08

A little stat related to team domination, which might be interesting to you:

 

After Korea, I thought Vettel leading each lap since a few laps after his pit stop in Monza could be close to come kind or record. It turns out that is not the case - he is only 17th in the stats for most consecutive laps led (142). In 1988, Senna led 264 laps covering 3 full GPs pole-to-flag and 2 GPs in which he led parts of the race. In 1989, he almost repeated this by leading for 237 laps (not enough to win the WDC though). In both seasons, McLaren led the WCC by a huge margin (much more than RB this year). 

 

However, the leader in that statistic is not Senna, but Ascari. In 1952, he consecutively led for 304 laps. Due to less races at that time, this meant that he was consecutively leading for more than half of the WDC campaign and 5 out of 8 races.


Edited by apoka, 10 October 2013 - 07:09.


#507 BullHead

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:20

Indeed, if you put Vettel / Red Bull performance against all sorts of 'domination' stats and facts, they're not that dominant at all by comparison. For some reason the domination is being more acutely felt, probably as a hangover from the Schumi years.