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[Mr2s]

There still isn't a direct quote that Schumacher was playing football.

As for Alonso, he would be wise to remember what happened to Prost when he criticised Ferrari.

 

I'm always stunned that anyone who watches or has anything to do with F1 thinks Ferrari are above criticism. They only became successful again after buying the winning formula from Benetton and setting up an unprecedented driver policy and tyre contract

[Rubens Hakkamacher]

Schumacher never felt threatened performance wise by a team mate.  Alonso has, and when he does, tends towards the dramatic.  In the case of both Alonso and Vettel, we see them lash out; in Vettel's case revealing a vengeful, wild nature.  In Alonso, someone who is probably never wrong.

 

I think Hamilton is probably the fastest, most skillful maybe of all time.    BUt Schumacher is still the best *racing* driver, because part of his feature set is that he was always cool, calm and collected.   You saw looks of grim determination from him, but not pouty and surly.  He got frustrated, but he didn't turn that into something directed away from himself.  

 

Compare Schumacher's attitude regarding Nico's performance against him, and Alonso regarding Felipe or Hamilton.  Compare on occasion when Rubens got the best of him, and Schumacher's pleasant smiling "go team" demeanor.  He may have hated it, but *he was in control of himself*.   It's what gave him the edge.   Even when he was angry at Coulthard at Spa - he was quite business-like in his "fury".  

 

Seeing Alonso's tantrums at McLaren, reactions to Trulli, and today - he's not Schumacher.  Vettel's vicious "get him out of the way!" when he wasn't close to Webber, and the psychopathic attempt to conceal in front of the world - not becoming of a champion, IMO. 

 

  Schumacher was the most complete driver we've seen, Alonso is great but he has flaws.  Lewis has the onus of wanting to make up for that first season that could have been; he can't be perfect, but managing a human standard for himself seems to be a weakness?  Kimi's strength, that probably has an impact on the whole field today, is that he has that Schumacher air of not being fazed too much.  If he's having a technical problem, you know his personal performance is probably not being impacted by it.  Schumacher's blank poker face - not the most endearing trait as a person, but as a racing driver a potent ingredient.

[thechin]

Schumacher never felt threatened performance wise by a team mate.  Alonso has, and when he does, tends towards the dramatic.  In the case of both Alonso and Vettel, we see them lash out; in Vettel's case revealing a vengeful, wild nature.  In Alonso, someone who is probably never wrong.

 

I think Hamilton is probably the fastest, most skillful maybe of all time.    BUt Schumacher is still the best *racing* driver, because part of his feature set is that he was always cool, calm and collected.   You saw looks of grim determination from him, but not pouty and surly.  He got frustrated, but he didn't turn that into something directed away from himself.  

 

Compare Schumacher's attitude regarding Nico's performance against him, and Alonso regarding Felipe or Hamilton.  Compare on occasion when Rubens got the best of him, and Schumacher's pleasant smiling "go team" demeanor.  He may have hated it, but *he was in control of himself*.   It's what gave him the edge.   Even when he was angry at Coulthard at Spa - he was quite business-like in his "fury".  

 

Seeing Alonso's tantrums at McLaren, reactions to Trulli, and today - he's not Schumacher.  Vettel's vicious "get him out of the way!" when he wasn't close to Webber, and the psychopathic attempt to conceal in front of the world - not becoming of a champion, IMO. 

 

  Schumacher was the most complete driver we've seen, Alonso is great but he has flaws.  Lewis has the onus of wanting to make up for that first season that could have been; he can't be perfect, but managing a human standard for himself seems to be a weakness?  Kimi's strength, that probably has an impact on the whole field today, is that he has that Schumacher air of not being fazed too much.  If he's having a technical problem, you know his personal performance is probably not being impacted by it.  Schumacher's blank poker face - not the most endearing trait as a person, but as a racing driver a potent ingredient.

Stomping down the pit lane in a rage, trying to get into another team's garage in the middle of the race, screaming 'he tried to f'ing kill me!'?

 

If that is business like for you, I wouldn't want to work where you do.

 

Schumacher had the team on his side to a level not seen before or since. It is easy not to get angry at the team when they are doing absolutely everything for you, including your team mate. 

 

How cool calm and collected was he when pushing rivals off track left right and centre? 

[Mr2s]

Schumacher never felt threatened performance wise by a team mate.  Alonso has, and when he does, tends towards the dramatic.  In the case of both Alonso and Vettel, we see them lash out; in Vettel's case revealing a vengeful, wild nature.  In Alonso, someone who is probably never wrong.

 

I think Hamilton is probably the fastest, most skillful maybe of all time.    BUt Schumacher is still the best *racing* driver, because part of his feature set is that he was always cool, calm and collected.   You saw looks of grim determination from him, but not pouty and surly.  He got frustrated, but he didn't turn that into something directed away from himself.  

 

Compare Schumacher's attitude regarding Nico's performance against him, and Alonso regarding Felipe or Hamilton.  Compare on occasion when Rubens got the best of him, and Schumacher's pleasant smiling "go team" demeanor.  He may have hated it, but *he was in control of himself*.   It's what gave him the edge.   Even when he was angry at Coulthard at Spa - he was quite business-like in his "fury".  

 

Seeing Alonso's tantrums at McLaren, reactions to Trulli, and today - he's not Schumacher.  Vettel's vicious "get him out of the way!" when he wasn't close to Webber, and the psychopathic attempt to conceal in front of the world - not becoming of a champion, IMO. 

 

  Schumacher was the most complete driver we've seen, Alonso is great but he has flaws.  Lewis has the onus of wanting to make up for that first season that could have been; he can't be perfect, but managing a human standard for himself seems to be a weakness?  Kimi's strength, that probably has an impact on the whole field today, is that he has that Schumacher air of not being fazed too much.  If he's having a technical problem, you know his personal performance is probably not being impacted by it.  Schumacher's blank poker face - not the most endearing trait as a person, but as a racing driver a potent ingredient.

 

Schumacher cracked under pressure too easy and made a lot of mistakes. His percentage win rate and front row qually rate are quite poor given he was in a top 2 team most of his career. Vettel already wipes the floor with him in % of poles and front rows. 

[Mr2s]

Stomping down the pit lane in a rage, trying to get into another team's garage in the middle of the race, screaming 'he tried to f'ing kill me!'?

 

If that is business like for you, I wouldn't want to work where you do.

 

Schumacher had the team on his side to a level not seen before or since. It is easy not to get angry at the team when they are doing absolutely everything for you, including your team mate. 

 

How cool calm and collected was he when pushing rivals off track left right and centre? 

 

 

Jean Todt said in his book that Michael was too insecure. He didnt like being over-taken so preferred to cause a crash. We saw it in Sportscars,and  F3 too. Which is why I feel a bit less sorry for Hill, as he should have done some homework.

Edited by Mr2s, 08 September 2013 - 08:41.

[MikeV1987]

That would be hard to reconcile with his position about the team being a family and being in favour of team orders. Vettel put himself ahead of the team's wishes, that's clear.

And Mark has done the same more than once.

Edited by MikeV1987, 08 September 2013 - 08:42.

[HPT]

Wait, what? How is the fact that a 2 year old and a 6 month old couldn't play a rough game of football conjecture? And the fact that a 2 year old probably couldn't reach whatever wall/surface where the telephone was? And did Schumacher ever actually say he didnt want Irvine to win? It's hardly shameful to lose the title when you break your leg.

To be honest, your "proof" that it did happen is based on more conjecture, that "article" posted above has about as many sources as my left nipple.

The source was Luca di Montezemolo. You're comparing him to your left nipple? I think you seriously overestimated yourself there

And the assumptions continue. Where did you get that the phone was on a wall?? It couldn't have been on a table? Or a cordless phone lying on the floor? They existed in 1999 you know. The rough part could have been misinterpreted but whatever it is, I'd take Luca's words, published by AtlasF1, over some unnamed sources.

[Briz]

Schumacher cracked under pressure too easy and made a lot of mistakes. His percentage win rate and front row qually rate are quite poor given he was in a top 2 team most of his career. Vettel already wipes the floor with him in % of poles and front rows. 

 

This whole post is rubbish, but the part that is on topic is worth addressing - what good is being in a "top 2 team" when the top 1 team is miles away and when there are multiple other teams in that season that can be called a number 2 team as well? Actually in some seasons Schumacher himself was the reason his teams could be considered top 2 material at all. And he never really bitched about it on radio or in interviews in such a team demoralizing and self glorifying way like Alonso has done multiple times.

[1Devil1]

Schumacher cracked under pressure too easy and made a lot of mistakes. His percentage win rate and front row qually rate are quite poor given he was in a top 2 team most of his career. Vettel already wipes the floor with him in % of poles and front rows. 

 

I don't know what you are trying here, all your posts are off topic, and doesn't have to do anything with the topic, Schumacher was a team player and never criticized his team in public, it's is not about him having poor front row stats, or crashing in the back of other drivers, or running down the pit lane because of a crash with DC. It's about his comments to the media in public about his team. Please concentrate on this fact

[surbjits]

Schumacher cracked under pressure too easy and made a lot of mistakes. His percentage win rate and front row qually rate are quite poor given he was in a top 2 team most of his career. Vettel already wipes the floor with him in % of poles and front rows. 

 

[surbjits]

This whole post is rubbish, but the part that is on topic is worth addressing - what good is being in a "top 2 team" when the top 1 team is miles away and when there are multiple other teams in that season that can be called a number 2 team as well? Actually in some seasons Schumacher himself was the reason his teams could be considered top 2 material at all. And he never really bitched about it on radio or in interviews in such a team demoralizing and self glorifying way like Alonso has done multiple times.

 

 

 

[spacekid]

Mods - why not just rename this 'The Official Michael Schumacher Bash Thread' and be done with it?

 

All of this discussion - Michaels terrible driving for Mercedes, his endless cheating, his secret career playing for Bayern Munich whilst refusing to drive for Ferrari, his amazing ability to negotiate a 1998 contract in 1993 - is based on an interview where he says; I didn't critisize the Mercedes boys when things went badly, we were a team.

 

Michael has always been a team player. There's nothing more to take from that interview.

[prty]

[mnmracer]

not a video of Vettel criticizing his team's hard work

Are we down now to posting random video's?

 

 

Since some people seem confused, this topic

• IS NOT about drivers driving ethics
• IS NOT about driver incidents with other drivers
• IS NOT about drivers criticizing their team-mates
• IS NOT about drivers and 'being fair to' their team-mates
• IS NOT about drivers using naughty words in general
• IS NOT about Michael Schumacher's career choices in the fabulous '90s
• IS NOT about Michael Schumacher playing football with his multi-lingual toddlers

This topic

• IS about the interview of Michael Schumacher with the BBC prior to the 2013 Italian Grand Prix
• IS about Michael Schumacher saying he never openly criticized the team's hard work
• IS about Fernando Alonso openly criticizing the team's hard work
• IS about any driver openly criticizing the team's hard work

Edited by mnmracer, 08 September 2013 - 13:01.

[prty]

You got it wrong, all this thread was, is a weak attempt at a dig to Alonso.

[mnmracer]

You got it wrong, all this thread was, is a weak attempt at a dig to Alonso.

Thank you for telling me what my own thread was about.

So what did the BBC try to do when they asked Schumacher that question. Have a dig at Alonso as well?

If your entire world revolves around Alonso, that doesn't mean that it does for others. Sometimes, an interesting insight from a world champion, is just that.

[eronrules]

You got it wrong, all this thread was, is a weak attempt at a dig to Alonso.

and an even weaker attempt (i.e trolling) for fernando apologists to defend the honor of their almighty god.