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Kimi Raikkonen Announced for Ferrari 2014


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#1601 redreni

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 21:03

Actually, it may well be that Alonso is the one who benefits most from this situation. We´ll see.


Or Vettel.

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#1602 Mauseri

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 22:04

The car is surely hard to drive for anybody and Massa is used to it.

I don't know a situation when Kimi would say 'the car is hard to drive'. Of course it may not be perfect but everyhting can be driven.


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#1603 as65p

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 23:04

I don't know a situation when Kimi would say 'the car is hard to drive'. Of course it may not be perfect but everyhting can be driven.

 

Well, essentially KR stated that he can't drive the tyres since Hungary as well as those before. And then there is the steering saga, culminating in KR sitting out a whole session in Monaco FP.  And then there is a whole season and a bit of trailing Massa, apparently due to an incompatibility of Kimi's style and Ferraris suspension.

 

What else does all that mean if not "the car is hard to drive"?



#1604 Timantti

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 00:23

Well, essentially KR stated that he can't drive the tyres since Hungary as well as those before. And then there is the steering saga, culminating in KR sitting out a whole session in Monaco FP.  And then there is a whole season and a bit of trailing Massa, apparently due to an incompatibility of Kimi's style and Ferraris suspension.

 

What else does all that mean if not "the car is hard to drive"?

 

Kimi is the epitome of a driver not being able to drive around problems, where as Alonso is the complete opposite. Kimi needs to have a car that is perfect for him and when he does he might be the fastest of the them all. However when the car is not behaving like he wants to, he appears very average.

 

If they can provide a suitable car for Räikkönen he can very well match Alonso. But let's face it, we have seen him struggling and even getting soundly beaten by the likes of Massa and Grosjean every now and then. What is going to happen if he struggles with the setup and instead of Grosjean it's Alonso who is driving the sister car? Won't be pretty.



#1605 Skinnyguy

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:00

Kimi is the epitome of a driver not being able to drive around problems, where as Alonso is the complete opposite. Kimi needs to have a car that is perfect for him and when he does he might be the fastest of the them all. However when the car is not behaving like he wants to, he appears very average.

 

 

Considering he´s been around for 10+ years, driving for four teams and across massively different regulations, and has struggled down to car characteristics for a year (mid 2008-mid 2009), I (and anyone with half a clue about his career) would call this story you tell us bullshit.

 

I can find similar periods of poor performance from any top driver (bar Vettel) that has been around that long. Yet you´ll consider them on the opposite side of the spectrum based on vague perceptions without any measureable thing to back it up.. But hey, whatever floats your boat, mate.

 

A lot is said about certain points at Lotus stint about Kimi being not happy but he´s performed anyway, so forget about that. Steering this or steering that and he was doing a good job. New tyres this or that and he´s still doing well.

 

PS: some here can´t seem to tell the difference between a difficult car to drive and a car that doesn´t work the way a driver would want. MP4-19 was a difficult car to drive, 2009 Ferrari was too. On the other hand F2008 was a car that didn´t work as the driver wanted. Hope that helps you guys sorting it out.


Edited by Skinnyguy, 10 November 2013 - 01:06.


#1606 boldhakka

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:56

I don't know a situation when Kimi would say 'the car is hard to drive'. Of course it may not be perfect but everyhting can be driven.


He's said many times that the car was "difficult to drive". Most recently in Korea at the end of the race, to Mark Slade on the radio. Of course he'll still do his best and try and get the job done. Doesn't change the fact that he's a little sensitive to car behavior and definitely more so than many other drivers.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 02:24

Considering he´s been around for 10+ years, driving for four teams and across massively different regulations, and has struggled down to car characteristics for a year (mid 2008-mid 2009), I (and anyone with half a clue about his career) would call this story you tell us bullshit.

 

 

Andrea Stella (someone who certainly has half a clue) even commented on something along the lines of what Timantti said. Although it might be a bit over reaching to call Kimi "the epitome of a driver not being able to drive around problems," as it's somethings that involves many variables, known & unkown. Although I will say that over the past several years, it seems to me that Kimi has been a bit finicky to the more subtle attributes of the cars which don't work for him.

 

I can find similar periods of poor performance from any top driver (bar Vettel) that has been around that long. Yet you´ll consider them on the opposite side of the spectrum based on vague perceptions without any measureable thing to back it up.. But hey, whatever floats your boat, mate.

 

A lot is said about certain points at Lotus stint about Kimi being not happy but he´s performed anyway, so forget about that. Steering this or steering that and he was doing a good job. New tyres this or that and he´s still doing well.

 

On the same token, you can't really judge just how well Kimi (or any driver for that matter) has been performing to begin with, other than using another vague measuring stick (his teammate - who's a bit unproven) to compare with.  


Edited by BJHF1, 10 November 2013 - 02:40.


#1608 SpaMaster

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 06:15

Well, essentially KR stated that he can't drive the tyres since Hungary as well as those before. And then there is the steering saga, culminating in KR sitting out a whole session in Monaco FP.  And then there is a whole season and a bit of trailing Massa, apparently due to an incompatibility of Kimi's style and Ferraris suspension.

 

What else does all that mean if not "the car is hard to drive"?

An incompatible feature in a car and handling difficulty of a car can be two different things. Every driver tries to change the car to his liking, there is always a varying degree of limit to it. On the other hand driving a car with handling difficulties/instability can be quite different. If you think Raikkonen cannot drive a difficult car, I suggest you go and watch Hugarian GP 2009.



#1609 Gorma

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 07:33

Kimi is the epitome of a driver not being able to drive around problems, where as Alonso is the complete opposite. Kimi needs to have a car that is perfect for him and when he does he might be the fastest of the them all. However when the car is not behaving like he wants to, he appears very average.

That is the same media BS we are used to reading about Kimi. It's like his motivation or lack of interest towards anything. 

 

Kimi might win the race and still complain about the way his car handled. Where as in a similar situation Alonso would be pushing 150 % and driving the car beyond it's limits as we all know. Kimi is a perfectionist when it comes to setting up the car. He won't be happy unless the car is perfect. The pursuit for perfection is pushes the team to develop the car. Kimi knows how to make the car faster. Just look at where Lotus was before Kimi joined the team. All that does not mean that he cannot adapt or drive a car fast even if it does not suit him. He has won with three teams, three engines, three tyre manufacturers, refueling era, non-refueling era, when no tyre changes were allowed during a race, with slicks, grooved tyres, wet races, dry races etc. He even was competitive in rally and NASCAR. Even faster than Loeb when the stages weren't new to him.

 

It is true that at Ferrari Kimi struggled with the car, but as we know it was exactly as Massa liked it (developed to his liking) and they were still pretty much even. The same has happened in the latter part of this season. The car is to Grosjean liking and not to Kimi's liking, but they are still evenly matched. As we have seen Massa is very slow when the car does not suit him. The past Ferrari's have not suited anyone. Not Massa, not Alonso. That is why Alonso has beaten him with such a clear margin. 

 

All this shows that Kimi can be as fast as his team mate when the car does not suit him and suits his team mate. When it does suit him,  he is very very fast.



#1610 Skinnyguy

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 18:11

 

Kimi might win the race and still complain about the way his car handled. Where as in a similar situation Alonso would be pushing 150 % and driving the car beyond it's limits as we all know.

 

Yes. Just like after a poor qualifying performance Räikkönen will say "it wasn´t a good lap" or "I keep making life hard for myself" whereas Alonso will tell us that was exactly the expected result and the car´s real position.

 

It´s a shame to see how some fans prefer to pay attention to what a driver says over what has actually happened on the track. But each to its own!



#1611 Seanspeed

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 19:25

Most drivers will struggle with certain things at times.  So I wouldn't necessarily say that Kimi has problems with this more than most drivers.  

That said, the very best drivers tend to not have these issues, which is largely what makes them the best.



#1612 jedioriginal

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 20:09

Most drivers will struggle with certain things at times.  So I wouldn't necessarily say that Kimi has problems with this more than most drivers.  
That said, the very best drivers tend to not have these issues, which is largely what makes them the best.

Please name even a one driver who has not have any issues with his car. Everyone has some issues,some more, some less.Senna did,Prost did,Lauda did,schumi did,Mansell did-list goes on and on.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 20:12

Please name even a one driver who has not have any issues with his car. Everyone has some issues,some more, some less.Senna did,Prost did,Lauda did,schumi did,Mansell did-list goes on and on.

Tend to not have these issues.

 

The best very rarely have issues that cause them to struggle for any period of time. 


Edited by Seanspeed, 10 November 2013 - 20:13.


#1614 jedioriginal

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 20:21

Tend to not have these issues.
 
The best very rarely have issues that cause them to struggle for any period of time.

True. IMO Kimi is a bit sensitive OR atleast very vocal about these things.

#1615 RosannaG

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 21:34

Ferrari drivers 2014  :lol:  :lol:

 

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#1616 Oho

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 07:19

 

 

The best very rarely have issues that cause them to struggle for any period of time. 

 

Yeah that's why both Ferrari drivers for 2014 have kind of sort of been off form recently.



#1617 Gorma

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 07:21

Yeah that's why both Ferrari drivers for 2014 have kind of sort of been off form recently.

and Hamilton...



#1618 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 07:22

This thread has run it's course, it is a general Kimi thread these days and as such gets closed